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The Only Thing They Fear Is... You - DOOM Revisions (Part 3)

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Which would make their Essence 6D and Hax with it.
1 Layer for Hax - Davoth was able to affect Khan who was not affected by Icon of Sins Corruption and Hell's Magic
2 Layer for Resistance - Davoth fought Father who can directly interact with "essence" they are both Primevals but neither were able to destroy eachothers Essence
3 Layer for Hax - Yet Doom Guy destroyed Davoth's Essence
2 Layer for Resistance - Doom Guy resisted Davoth's magic

Essence Hax < Khan (Baseline) < Davoth and Father Hax (1 Layer) < Davoth and Doom Guy Resistance (2 Layer) < Doom Guy Hax (3 Layer)

Icon of Sin is forged the essence of mortal suffering by Hell, which is a mere part of Davoth's Essence. That is why Icon of Sins Essence Hax will not be lower dimensional, allowing layers.
Hell is a mere part of Davoth's Essence, so technically this make Hell's magic CM 1 Essence
Doom Guy can physically carry Life Sphere of Davoth, Hell is a mere part of Davoth's Essence and Essence contains Space-Time of beings

Which would technically make this Immesurable LS for Doom Guy.

Proposals
  • Demons and Khan Maykr get Essence Upgrades
    • Demons have CM2 hax and CM 1 Resistance, Khan Maykr only has CM 1 Resistance
  • Doom Guy and Davoth Essence is Layered and 6D
  • Hell's magic which was accepted as only CM 2 will be CM 1 due to Hell being a mere part of Davoth's Essence
    • This will affect most of earlier keys
  • Immesurable LS
Agree: 2 (@DarkDragonMedeus, @Theglassman12 [Disagrees with Layers])
 
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ShionAH said:
I wonder if Doom Guy physically carrying Davoth's Life Sphere would be Immesurable LS or not, since its technically 5/6D
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a life sphere contains both space and time right? if so, as hell is literally a part of davoth's essence, doomguy carrying the latter's life sphere would mean that he's literally carrying a 5d/6d space with him
 
What’s the argument for 6-D Doom btw?

How is Kahns able to resist the Icon of Sin’s power when the page literally says the opposite? I’m only seeing one layer here for Doom Guy affecting Davoth’s essence.

Not really sure on immeasurable LS with carrying a life sphere unless there’s some more proof on its weight being unfathomable or something.

The rest looks fine
 
Theglassman12 said:
What’s the argument for 6-D Doom btw?
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What? This is not about Cosmology, lets not get off topic lmao
Theglassman12 said:
How is Kahns able to resist the Icon of Sin’s power when the page literally says the opposite?
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I think you misunderstood. Icon Of Sin/Hell's Magic completely altered the Maykrs and turned them into Blood Mayrks (who are basically demons and have "hellfire coursing through their veins") yet this was completely unaffective on Kahn.
Theglassman12 said:
Immeasurable LS with carrying a life sphere unless there’s some more proof on its weight being unfathomable or something.
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I mean Davoth's Life Sphere was already accepted to be his Essence here, we also know that Hell is a mere part of Davoth's Essence and is said to enfold the entire verse within it's arms. We also know Essence proportional to Power especially in Davoths case, which is why I think it would be a 5/6D object and lifting that up is no joke lol.
 
You’re bringing up 6-D hax in the thread, I wanna know what’s the arguments for 6-D since from going through the explanations for Davoth, I’m only seeing stuff in regards to hell, which is 5-D.

Where’s the scan or showing that Kahn is unaffected by the Icon of Sin’s power? Plus the Icon of Sin isn’t on the same dimensional level as Davoth so this wouldn’t even be layers as it’s just a Smurf hax screwing him over.

Folding the entire verse with his arms barely has anything to do with his essence though as it’s not his body, especially if Davoth has a physical form that isn’t one with existence so…
 
Theglassman12 said:
You’re bringing up 6-D hax in the thread
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Ooh I see what you mean my bad.

I am saying it should be 6D because Essence's abilities scales to the beings AP too, it is on Essence's page
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Where’s the scan or showing that Kahn is unaffected by the Icon of Sin’s power?
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Scan is broken so I dont have it on me, the others Maykrs are altered but obviously as you can see Khan is fine.
Theglassman12 said:
Plus the Icon of Sin isn’t on the same dimensional level as Davoth so this wouldn’t even be layers as it’s just a Smurf hax screwing him over.
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Its not only from Icon of Sins influence but also Hell itself (Since Icon of Sin and Hell's magic is the reason for this corruption), which is a mere part of Davoth.

Icon of Sin is also like literally created by Hell's magics.
 
By the way, i think lifting a being from higher dimensions sometimes does not give immeasurable lifting forces unless that being has a weight or is directly a structure of that caliber

For example, Infinity Ultron lifted the Watcher who is a 5th dimensional entity yet he dont have that LS
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But unsure how that work with essence stuff
 
I dont know tbh, lifting 5D/6D shit should be impressive right?

Lifting objects that are wholly superior to 3-dimensional space, and thus exceed basic infinite mass. This might range from characters who can somehow lift entire spacetime continuums, to characters who inhabit qualitatively superior levels of existence and thus surpass all dimensioned objects.
 
Oliver_de_jesus said:
By the way, i think lifting a being from higher dimensions sometimes does not give immeasurable lifting forces unless that being has a weight or is directly a structure of that caliber

For example, Infinity Ultron lifted the Watcher who is a 5th dimensional entity yet he dont have that LS
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then the person who created the profile simply forgot to add that. lifting anything whose existence is higher than 3d should be by definition an immeasurable strength feat, it shouldn't matter if it's a place or a character

But unsure how that work with essence stuff
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even if lifting an extradimensional character doesn't give you immesureable strength, doomguy isn't lifting a character, but a sphere containing an extradimentional space: hell, as it's literally is part of davoth's life sphere, and doomguy just carries it. it's really that simple
 
Shouldn't Urdak be 6-D cus it is explicitly shown that in The Ancient Gods, seems consistent given that its constantly stated to be a higher/transcendent plane. Imo that is not a coincidence.

Ofc prove me wrong if so. And please link me to any thread, that talks about this.
 
Apotheosis69 said:
Shouldn't Urdak be 6-D cus it is explicitly shown that in The Ancient Gods, seems consistent given that its constantly stated to be a higher/transcendent plane. Imo that is not a coincidence.

Ofc prove me wrong if so
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That was something that shion Talk in the other thread, it is only 5D iirc
 
I’m not sure that really explains its potency being 6-D but ok.

And Hell is 5-D, not 6-D so this wouldn’t be layered hax unless you wanna argue that Davoth despite being 6-D has a shit tier hax for his physical stats.
 
Theglassman12 said:
And Hell is 5-D, not 6-D so this wouldn’t be layered hax unless you wanna argue that Davoth despite being 6-D has a shit tier hax for his physical stats.
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Hell itself is 5D but Hell's Power is linked to Davoth's Essence.

So Hell = Davoth like thats not hard to understand.

Davoth is either 5-D or 6-D in Essence potency, which I am saying is 6-D because Essence also contains Powers/Abilities and Physical Stats
 
And Davoth is labeled as 6-D on his page, so again either his abilities are 6-D as well, meaning that this doesn’t count as layers for him, or he has lower dimensional hax. It’s either one or the other with this logic.
 
Theglassman12 said:
And Davoth is labeled as 6-D on his page, so again either his abilities are 6-D as well, meaning that this doesn’t count as layers for him, or he has lower dimensional hax. It’s either one or the other with this logic.
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Yes. Icon of Sin would also have 6D hax, since he is made from Hell's Essence which is a simple extension of Davoth's Essence.

Icon Of Sin Hax = Hell's Essence = Davoth's Essence = 6D Hax
 
Hell's not 6-D, that's the problem here. It's only accepted to be 5-D so this line of logic doesn't work here.
 
Hell being Davoth doesn’t change the stat difference here. Hell the fact it’s a mere extension of his essence and not his entire being altogether just proves my point that it doesn’t fully scale to him. So this isn’t Layered hax in the slightest.
 
Theglassman12 said:
Hell the fact it’s a mere extension of his essence and not his entire being altogether just proves my point that it doesn’t fully scale to him.
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Being an extension of a 6th dimensional structure would imply you are just a smaller 6th dimensional structure, otherwise it would be infinitely smaller and not really be an "extension"

Fine, I put you in disagree. Can you call more staff, I want to see if you will get outvoted or not.
 
Theglassman12 said:
this "smaller 6th dimensional structure" was accepted to being 5-D at best in your first CRT in this series of revisions, not 6-D.
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Dude, Hells Essence and Hell is different, Davoth is fuvking 3D but has 6d Essence
 
And? That doesn't change the fact that Hell's accepted to be 5-D at best. The Thought robot is an extension of the Monitor Mind from DC, yet they're still several layers of reality far apart from one another.
 
Theglassman12 said:
And? That doesn't change the fact that Hell's accepted to be 5-D at best.
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Yes Hell is 5D, I am saying Hell's Essence is 6D. If you repeat this one more time I will start thinking you are trolling me
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The Thought robot is an extension of the Monitor Mind from DC, yet they're still several layers of reality far apart from one another.
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Oh! So when I do whataboutism its wrong but then you do it yourself? Wow.
 
@ShionAH i was taking a glance at doomguy's optional equipment and i just realized that, execept for the praetor suit (in the post-night sentinel training's equipment key, sorry, it doesn't let me link text from that key for whatever reason), everything that uses argent energy doesn't have all haxes that the latter gives attached, so i suggest that every argent energy-based weapon gets them (so the crucible, the ballista, the plasma rifle, etc.)

now, in order for the equipment pages to not have the same eight haxes repeated over and over again, i suggest adding a "argent energy" section to the essence hax page and describing its definition, nature and the abilities/haxes it grants. you can use this page in the doom wiki to base the new section from

after this, we can simply add "argent energy manipulation" to each weapon that uses it instead of overflowing the equipment pages with "soul/space-time/type 2 concept/yada yada manipulation"

also, argent energy having dimensional manipulation just because it's made from higher-dimensional resouces is just wrong, that only refers its nature and maybe to its power. it's stated nowhere that argent energy can manipulate dimensions in on itself
 
Spicy78 said:
@ShionAH i was taking a glance at doomguy's optional equipment and i just realized that, execept for the praetor suit (in the post-night sentinel training's equipment key, sorry, it doesn't let me link text from that key for whatever reason), everything that uses argent energy doesn't have all haxes that the latter gives attached, so i suggest that every argent energy-based weapon gets them (so the crucible, the ballista, the plasma rifle, etc.)

now, in order for the equipment pages to not have the same eight haxes repeated over and over again, i suggest adding a "argent energy" section to the essence hax page and describing its definition, nature and the abilities/haxes it grants. you can use this page in the doom wiki to base the new section from

after this, we can simply add "argent energy manipulation" to each weapon that uses it instead of overflowing the equipment pages with "soul/space-time/type 2 concept/yada yada manipulation"
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sure
Spicy78 said:
also, argent energy having dimensional manipulation just because it's made from higher-dimensional resouces is just wrong, that only refers its nature and maybe to its power. it's stated nowhere that argent energy can manipulate dimensions in on itself
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it doesnt have dimensional manipulation yeah, absorbing it would be dimension absorprion thought due to its nature
 
@ShionAH you mean the essence that is Davoth itself? Because I don't recall that being accepted anywhere in the first thread beyond trying to argue it was either 5-D to 6-D to Low 1-A, and the latter two being rejected and it only being accepted as 5-D at best.

No, not the same whatboutism when your argument is they have it, why can't I? If being an extension of something was all that it would've taken then so many other verses would've had other characters be buffed despite the story saying the exact opposite. My DC example is telling you why that wouldn't be enough by the standards on the site, so again, Hell being an extension of Davoth wouldn't make its essence 6-D, Davoth itself would be on that level and not hell, therefore it's not layered hax to begin with unless you want to say Davoth's powers are dimensionally weaker than himself.
 
Theglassman12 said:
you mean the essence that is Davoth itself? Because I don't recall that being accepted anywhere in the first thread beyond trying to argue it was either 5-D to 6-D to Low 1-A, and the latter two being rejected and it only being accepted as 5-D at best.
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davoth's essence scales from creating the ENTIRE doom verse, which includes the void, a 6d space
 
Arguing Doom with someone who does not even know the cosmology nor ever looked at the blog.

Its tiring... I put your vote up so we gotta wait now
 
ShionAH said:
Hell is 5D, its Essence/Abilites is 6D.
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you should add "complex multiverse level with abilites" in the hell page if that's the case. add that to the spoiler and proposals

its already limited due to only being accessible through absorption
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in the page it's worded awfully. it literally says "enhanced absorption of [...] dimensions". i think the "enhanced" already implies that the absorption is higher-dimensional, but if you want to keep the dimensional aspect, i think you should reword "absorption of [...] dimensions" into "higher-dimensional absorption of [...]" to avoid any confusion

sorry if i'm being nitpicky 🙏
 
Theglassman12 said:
Any input about the layers via Davoth affecting Kahn is appreciated given it's the more contentious part of the thread.
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The hax isn't Six D not is it layered I think.

For the lifting strength, just being 5D is meaningless since you can calculate volume and mass even with higher dimensional objects. Immeasurable means lifting masses larger than a 3D universe with higher dimensional axis. A 5D cube wouldn't give you immeasurable LS, but an infinite 5D cube would.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
For the lifting strength, just being 5D is meaningless since you can calculate volume and mass even with higher dimensional objects. Immeasurable means lifting masses larger than a 3D universe with higher dimensional axis. A 5D cube wouldn't give you immeasurable LS, but an infinite 5D cube would.
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Yeah but Davoths Essence is also bigger than Hell (Giant 5D Structure with Inf universes) isnt that enough.

Also kinda BS on the layer take but Ig I'll count it...
 
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