"The real father" | Adam vs Whitebeard (Hazbin Hotel vs One Piece) | 0-2-0

[StrymULTRA]

Yeah, why not

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• Adam is Low 5-B​
• Marineford Whitebeard is used​
• Speed is equalized​
• Fight takes place at a beach in Sardinia.​
• SBA otherwise.​

Father of Humanity: 0

Father of Pirates: 2 (@Kachon123, @Arkansalter2)

Incon: 0

 

[DaReaperMan]

Adam gets completely stomped lmfao

1. His heat is resisted, removing his best option
2. He has zero ways to deal with Newgate skillfucking him
3. He has zero ways to deal with conquerors haki knocking him out the moment it's used
4. He has zero ways to survive Whitebeard's devil fruit

 

[StrymULTRA]

Adam gets completely stomped lmfao

1. His heat is resisted, removing his best option
2. He has zero ways to deal with Newgate skillfucking him
3. He has zero ways to deal with conquerors haki knocking him out the moment it's used
4. He has zero ways to survive Whitebeard's devil fruit

Do I change with Old WB then?

 

[Kachon123]

Lol is this even fair for Adam?

 

[ShionAH]

Btw Adam is technically WBs father lol

 

[Kachon123]

Do I change with Old WB then?

It's the same deal to be honest. For Adam to have even a chance, it would need to be against geriatric, heart attack prone, half-dead Marineford Whitebeard.

 

[StrymULTRA]

It's the same deal to be honest. For Adam to have even a chance, it would need to be against geriatric, heart attack prone, half-dead Marineford Whitebeard.

Adam scales to 42.01 Zettatons, old WB is either 9.042 (x4.64 weaker) or 3.014 Zettatons (x13.94 weaker).

Do I use Marineford one then? Adam downscales from a one-shot value in that case.

 

[Kachon123]

Do I use Marineford one then? Adam downscales from a one-shot value in that case.

Yeah that would be more fair.

I'd still argue that Whitebeard takes this due to his devil fruit's durability negation, his Haki negating all heat-based attacks, and his ungodly endurance.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Whitebeard just assfucks him.
Adam was better off keeping his fraud ass in 8-A but I digress.

 

[ShionAH]

Can someone explain me WBs abilities? Is his durability negation the shockwave thing on the profile?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Can someone explain me WBs abilities? Is his durability negation the shockwave thing on the profile?

Quake Fruit + Haki.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yeah that would be more fair.

I'd still argue that Whitebeard takes this due to his devil fruit's durability negation, his Haki negating all heat-based attacks, and his ungodly endurance.

Yeah this is kinda the thing. Adam can cut a chasm across Whitebeard's chest and proceed to get punched with a devil fruit backing it, killing him. Unless Adam literally takes his head clean off, there's Basically no chance.

Can someone explain me WBs abilities? Is his durability negation the shockwave thing on the profile?

Basically, Shockwaves turn your internals to mush and kill you. Adam lacks the survivability to take that. Seeing as he, y'know, died to being stabbed in the chest and torso a few times.

 

[Kachon123]

Can someone explain me WBs abilities? Is his durability negation the shockwave thing on the profile?

Vibrations and spatial fracturing

 

[Kachon123]

Unless Adam literally takes his head clean off, there's Basically no chance.

Problem is that Akainu tried this, took half of Whitebeard's head off and still proceeded to get flattened into a pancake.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Problem is that Akainu tried this, took half of Whitebeard's head off and still proceeded to get flattened into a pancake.

I said take head clean off for a reason. Akainu hit the side of his head, not the full thing.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Yeah that would be more fair.

I'd still argue that Whitebeard takes this due to his devil fruit's durability negation, his Haki negating all heat-based attacks, and his ungodly endurance.

Vote counted + changed key

 

[Arkansalter2]

Yeah I'll still go with WB taking this low diff. Quake Fruit + Haki would just turn adam's fraud ass into mush extremely quickly.

 

[ShionAH]

Adam is destroyed, tf can he even do lol. WB has far better skill, resists Adam's main win condition and has this complete durability negation??

 

[Kachon123]

Any beam just gets one-punched by a quake fist

 

[StrymULTRA]

Adam is destroyed, tf can he even do lol. WB has far better skill, resists Adam's main win condition and has this complete durability negation??

One-shot him, maybe?

Any beam just gets one-punched by a quake fist

It does not load to me.

 

[Kachon123]

It does not load to me.

The link should work now

 

[ShionAH]

One-shot him, maybe?

Does Adam one shot here? He only has like 2x AP advantage as far as I can see

Edit: Is this the weak key at the last? Then I can argue for Adam at least

 

[StrymULTRA]

Does Adam one shot here? He only has like 2x AP advantage as far as I can see

Adam scales to 42.01 Zettatons, old WB is either 9.042 (x4.64 weaker) or 3.014 Zettatons (x13.94 weaker).

 

[ShionAH]

Oh. GREAT!!

Does Whitebeard have any answers to this type of attack Adam can dish out from close range?



He can just move his arm around to continue his beam around the place



Since WB has no information Adam going from normal axe battle to random beams of pure one shot would be surprising especially when Adam is known to create shockwaves that completely blind opponents and have a large area of affect



Adam can spam them and if he wants them he can make them explode on impact making it REALLY hard to avoid it completely

 

[Huesito88]

Why is speed equalized?

 

[Kachon123]

Does Whitebeard have any answers to this type of attack Adam can dish out from close range?

A quake punch.

Since WB has no information Adam going from normal axe battle to random beams of pure one shot would be surprising especially when Adam is known to create shockwaves that completely blind opponents and have a large area of affect

Whitebeard has precog and great sensory abilities that work while blinded.

Adam can spam them and if he wants them he can make them explode on impact making it REALLY hard to avoid it completely

Whitebeard can grab and tilt space to avoid getting hit by these.

 

[ShionAH]

Adam is able to heal a giant three hole wound on his shoulder almost instantly and should be FAR above Angels like Vaggie who healed the wings





He also has BUSTED Immortality Type 2 that puts Whitebeard to shame, allowing Adam to survive basically ANYTHING as long as it's not angelic. He should debatably be able to heal from all of it too but that's not on the profiles yet

 

[Kachon123]

Adam is able to heal a giant three hole wound on his shoulder almost instantly and should be FAR above Angels like Vaggie who healed the wings

Whitebeard has layered regeneration negation.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Why is speed equalized?

What speed value does WB scale to? Adam is superior to 1.7c

 

[Kachon123]

What speed value does WB scale to? Adam is superior to 1.7c

5c

 

[ShionAH]

A quake punch.

Whitebeard can grab and tilt space to avoid getting hit by these.

Whitebeard doesn't resist full power nullification.

Whitebeard has precog and great sensory abilities that work while blinded.

Ooh thats a big problem...

Whitebeard has layered regeneration negation.

Where was the layer accepted? I don't see it on the profile.

 

[StrymULTRA]

5c

Value is almost x3... idk how much Adam upscales from his calc, but even a x2 in speed gap is basically a blitz.

 

[Kachon123]

Whitebeard doesn't resist full power nullification.

He actually does.

Haki

vsbattles.fandom.com

Where was the layer accepted? I don't see it on the profile.

One Piece: Busoshoku Haki Potency and Buso Layers Scaling

First things first we have a clear heirarchy of Haki Potencies in the series. These will be the mechanics for finding out their potency. Scaling Methods of Buso A devil fruit power from a Haki user failing to work on another Haki user means the other Haki user is relative to (or superior to)...

vsbattles.com

Whitebeard is sitting at about 7-9 layers

 

[ShionAH]

He actually does.

"Limited Power Nullification and Stamina Absorption (Scaling to other/lesser Haoshoku Haki users who can resist the effects of Seastone to different extents)"
It says limited.

One Piece: Busoshoku Haki Potency and Buso Layers Scaling

First things first we have a clear heirarchy of Haki Potencies in the series. These will be the mechanics for finding out their potency. Scaling Methods of Buso A devil fruit power from a Haki user failing to work on another Haki user means the other Haki user is relative to (or superior to)...

vsbattles.com

Whitebeard is sitting at about 7-9 layers

...

Adam you gotta tank this shit man I am sorry, you gotta eat it man

 

[Kachon123]

It says limited.

That's not what I'm referring to

• Resistance to
  • Resistance Negation (Users with superior Buso can resist the affects of Haki negating their resistances, shown with Gear 4th Luffy negating Doflamingo's negation of Luffy's resistance to physical attacks)

 

[ShionAH]

Adam isn't negating his resistances, he is negating his ability

 

[Kachon123]

Adam isn't negating his resistances, he is negating his ability

"Resistance negation" is power nullification. It applies to both abilities and resistances. Haki resists and nullifies abilities. Whitebeard's layers allows him to ignore nullification as well as overpower resistances.

 

[ShionAH]

"Resistance negation" is power nullification. It applies to both abilities and resistances. Haki resists and nullifies abilities.

Power Nullification

Power Nullification, or Negation, is the ability to nullify the powers and abilities of others, preventing or disabling their effects. The mechanisms by which this effect is accomplished and their restrictions vary from character to character, but the ability is often limited to a certain type...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Official page puts them into two categories

Anyways if this is the case then Adam kinda gets stomped, WB has the precognition, analytical prediction and skill to dodge anything important and has a clear wincondition through his durability negation. He resists Adam's nullification and has his other ability to counter in case he fails to dodge?? This is just a terrible matchup for Adam

 

[Kachon123]

Official page puts them into two categories

And the Haki page has both ability negation and resistance

Negation (Intense enough Haki can counteract and negate Devil Fruit abilities, seen when Trafalgar Law negated the effects of the Feminization Disease from the Sick-Sick Fruit)

 

[DaReaperMan]

Also I love how Adam doesn't even get up to crotch height with Whitebeard lol