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Tomura Shigaraki vs Vegeta (9-1-0)

Zackra1799 said:
Vegeta can watch Nappa destroy a city with 2 fingers, yet this attack, an attack that barely destroys a small rock formation, is somehow more impressive, destructive-wise, there is no way for vegeta to have known what the attack did or what properties it had, the only way he could have known is if his BIQ was high enough to realize the trickery krillin was trying to pull on nappa. If vegeta even gets a wiff that shigaraki has ways to kill him, he's gonna pull a guldo and go for the kill immediately
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“There is no way vegeta would have known what destructo disc does or what properties it has”

I’m so tempted to make a crt right now to buff Vegeta’s IQ to Supergenius. Dude. It has no properties. It has nothing secret behind the attack. It’s a straight up blatant slashing attack 😭
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
“There is no way vegeta would have known what destructo disc does or what properties it has”

I’m so tempted to make a crt right now to buff Vegeta’s IQ to Supergenius. Dude. It has no properties. It has nothing secret behind the attack. It’s a straight up blatant slashing attack 😭
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Blatant in what way? It’s a circular disc of energy. I guess you could guess from the rotation but that’s it. Either way, Decay has pretty big visual cues which I think are being ignored.
 
MintyBoi1 said:
Blatant in what way? It’s a circular disc of energy. I guess you could guess from the rotation but that’s it. Either way, Decay has pretty big visual cues which I think are being ignored.
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and what is special about it to a visual point?

it just looks like mass destruction to vegeta what could he get from it
 
JoeDM021 said:
and what is special about it to a visual point?

it just looks like mass destruction to vegeta what could he get from it
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Everything turns gray and crumbles. That’s a lot different than just something blowing up. Vegeta is arrogant, but he isn’t an idiot.
 
MintyBoi1 said:
Everything turns gray and crumbles. That’s a lot different than just something blowing up. Vegeta is arrogant, but he isn’t an idiot
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Yea maybe vegeta would see something off but your saying just cause he can notice how the very obvious rotating sharp disk with glowing blades coming out means he has enough biq to see that the big massive wave of destruction that turns things to dust is gonna insta kill him? yea no I doubt it
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
“There is no way vegeta would have known what destructo disc does or what properties it has”

I’m so tempted to make a crt right now to buff Vegeta’s IQ to Supergenius. Dude. It has no properties. It has nothing secret behind the attack. It’s a straight up blatant slashing attack 😭
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Literally any of Krillin's attacks would have done nothing to Nappa, even Tien, who has an attack that massively amps his power via the tri beam, doesn't do a damn thing to nappa, vegeta has repeatedly seen that nothing these guys can throw out normally can beat them, but as soon as krillin pulls out the destructo disc something that can actually hurt/kill nappa, Vegeta immediately calls out that the attack is dangerous to nappa and he needs to dodge
 
JoeDM021 said:
Yea maybe vegeta would see something off but your saying just cause he can notice how the very obvious rotating sharp disk with glowing blades coming out means he has enough biq to see that the big massive wave of destruction that turns things to dust is gonna insta kill him? yea no I doubt it
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Aren’t they about the same level? If anything, the disc is more subtle since you have to look at the shape of the ends that sometimes stick out from the center, as opposed to everything just becoming dust.
 
MintyBoi1 said:
Pretty sure Vegeta just punches Shiggy’s head off. He can fly and should have enough intuition to dodge the initial decay like how he instructed Nappa to avoid the Destructo Disc. The ground would literally turn gray and crumble to dust, which is way different from anything Ki can do besides God Ki which Vegeta definitely wouldn’t suspect from a human. And since Shigaraki can’t blitz, he just gets one shot after that.
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Shigaraki avoids the punch with speed amps and danger sense.

Also pretty sure this is all vegeta is going to see. Also nothing stops shigaraki from blitzing. That cant be restricted. It just makes the matchup null and needs to be closed.
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MintyBoi1 said:
Blatant in what way? It’s a circular disc of energy. I guess you could guess from the rotation but that’s it. Either way, Decay has pretty big visual cues which I think are being ignored.
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circular disc small enough to inflict slashing attacks. Unless Vegeta and Nappa just doesnt know what a slashing attack is
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Zackra1799 said:
Literally any of Krillin's attacks would have done nothing to Nappa, even Tien, who has an attack that massively amps his power via the tri beam, doesn't do a damn thing to nappa, vegeta has repeatedly seen that nothing these guys can throw out normally can beat them, but as soon as krillin pulls out the destructo disc something that can actually hurt/kill nappa, Vegeta immediately calls out that the attack is dangerous to nappa and he needs to dodge
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So Krillins other attacks being normal ki blasts Vs the one ki slashing attack
 
At this range, I could see Vegeta not picking up on the Decay’s effects. Though I’m not sure why he would be on the ground anyway since flying over is the fastest way to get to Shigaraki and he’d probably just consider himself superior for being able to if he doesn’t know Shigaraki can. But if he can blitz, I lean Shigaraki since he just needs Vegeta to get in close which he likely would.
 
MintyBoi1 said:
Pretty sure Vegeta just punches Shiggy’s head off. He can fly and should have enough intuition to dodge the initial decay like how he instructed Nappa to avoid the Destructo Disc. The ground would literally turn gray and crumble to dust, which is way different from anything Ki can do besides God Ki which Vegeta definitely wouldn’t suspect from a human. And since Shigaraki can’t blitz, he just gets one shot after that.
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oh yeah i forgot. About it being way different than anything Ki could do. The saiyan saga arc was pretty much the Z fighters using attacks/tricks that the saiyans didnt know existed or possible like Ki sensing (the most basic one). They were pretty much just tanking through unknown attacks
 
MintyBoi1 said:
At this range, I could see Vegeta not picking up on the Decay’s effects. Though I’m not sure why he would be on the ground anyway since flying over is the fastest way to get to Shigaraki and he’d probably just consider himself superior for being able to if he doesn’t know Shigaraki can. But if he can blitz, I lean Shigaraki since he just needs Vegeta to get in close which he likely would.
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Why can't Vegeta snipe him at that range?
 
Lloydblitzed said:
Why can't Vegeta snipe him at that range?
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Danger sense. Speed amps. Unironically cannot see him through dust due to not having ki sensing.

(Also I’m pretty sure there is an argument against decaying ki blasts because this was an argument before in previous matchups about decay vs energy attacks)
 
btw i'm voting Shigaraki FRA, nothing is unironically stopping shiggy from just passively inducing fear and illusions onto Vegeta which not only would completely paralyze him as they did to a group of morally boosted people but also required outside help to be broken out of both times. Decay at its best could be Thousands of Kilometers but this could take a week well we've seen Shigaraki almost instantly decay a good portion of Jaku City so at 100 meters there is plenty of time (almost instantly) for Decay to reach a illusion and fear induced Vegeta.

even if we say its only decay he has to worry about, Vegeta is too prideful for his own good and has no reason to even fear an attack from shiggy, he has no idea what the properties of decay are, all he'll see is a shockwave coming at him in a massive dust cloud of someone who is what? thousands of times below him? why should he fear this attack in the slightest? he'll tank it as a sign of superiority and only realize afterwards whats happening to him. not even mentioning the speed amp which could allow shiggy an opportunity to just blitz touch Vegeta.

Yes, Vegeta only realistically needs to flick his finger at shiggy for him to pop like a balloon but his arrogance and pridefulness are gonna get the better of him esp at this distance.
 
Robo432343 said:
mintygoat voted for this reason

and according to @JoeDM021, tomura in character blitzes his opponents...
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Minty is leaning towards Shigaraki. Idk if that’s a vote or not. Even then the same effect would be accomplished with Shigaraki combining enough quirks for an ordinary speed amp that’s really fast but not blitz level

Also Joe changed his vote to Shigaraki winning due to Vegeta being cocky and arrogant. Which is why there was an entire discussion about Destructo Disc Vs Decay and Vegeta’s scouter detecting Shigaraki as a power level of 100 or less, not even Raditz level.

And no Shigaraki isn’t Deku 2.0 the Fa Jin Gearshift frame 1 merchant
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Danger sense. Speed amps. Unironically cannot see him through dust due to not having ki sensing.

(Also I’m pretty sure there is an argument against decaying ki blasts because this was an argument before in previous matchups about decay vs energy attacks)
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What is Shiggy's travel speed since if it's lower than his combat speed, then an AoE ki nuke would do him in.
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Why would shigaraki’s travel speed matter? Vegeta is the one being equalized to Shigaraki
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Because if his travel speed is lower than his combat speed, he'd get caught in a ki blast explosion which scales to (or arguably far above) Vegeta's combat speed. He wouldn't be able to outrun or outfly it even in speed equal. That's why I ask what his travel speed is.
 
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