Kazuma_kuwabara
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No, it makes the fight unusuable, because if the character uses said speed amps as his kit, is unfair and we can't restrict abilities in this cases
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Tomura Shigaraki vs Vegeta (9-1-0)
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Oh, I see.
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Tbf speed amps are allowed if theyre not blitz levels
Machmatej
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realistically like MHS, but his VSBW profile doesn't make that distinction so he just unquantifiably downscales from Relativistic+
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Yes, but not to blitz levels, that is the point
Machmatej
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then his blitz amps work as regular speed amps. he'd still be faster, just wouldn't be blitzing
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Alright yeah, then in that case Vegeta's ki explosions will just swallow Shiggy up if he attempts trying to get away from them as opposed to thinking he can tank or Regen from them or smth
Machmatej
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speed is equalized here, and if his travel speed unquantifiably downscales from his combat speed without an official rating, here it would downscale from the equalized speed.
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Vegeta is going to sense decay danger like he did with destruct disk , and he would one shot with dirty firework or just with ki blast ,
(and couldn’t vegeta just flex he’s aura and intimidate shigarwki?)
(and couldn’t vegeta just flex he’s aura and intimidate shigarwki?)
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Bro I did not just explain for 2 pages straight on why sensing Destructo Disc is far different from being capable of telling a power level of 100 can inflict instant death on him. Dirty fireworks is not bros first move either. Shigaraki wouldnt be intimidated by his aura either. Shigaraki dodges with danger sense
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Kazuma_kuwabara
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No, blitz amps are blitz amps by the rules
Machmatej
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you can't restrict a character's abilities unless they amp the character's tier. blitz amps just get nerfed down to regular speed amps if they're standard abilities/equipment
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Vegeta's ki blasts scale to his combat speed. The explosion can envelop kilometers instantaneously. If Shiggy's travel speed is unquantifiably slower than his combat speed (Currently anyways), then that means he's unquantifiable slower than the explosion in travel speed, and will be enveloped by it.
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Yeah this is not gonna work. This isnt Deku spamming gear shift thats already blitz levels in all shifts. Shigaraki does it by combining quirks together. It can be a really fast speed amp without being a blitz
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles.
As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added.
Kazuma_kuwabara
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I am just stating rules, If shigaraki has blitz amps and wins with those is unfair, but if not go on
Machmatej
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he can precog it even if the ki blast was a blitz tier above himself. besides, isn't vegeta's travel speed like supersonic? how is he gonna dodge anything
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Precog won't help if he doesn't have the travel speed to escape it even if he decides to fly/run away in advance.
Idk why Vegeta's travel speed matters, I was talking about his ki blasts.
Machmatej
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If the ki blast isnt that much faster than himself, then he would definitely be able to dodge it with precog.
And I'm talking about Vegeta's travel speed. It would be way lower than Shigaraki's + he's too prideful to try to dodge anything from a guy with a power level of 10.
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The ki explosions in DB are like instant from the character's perspective
(Bottom left panel of third one engulfs an entire mountain range instantly)
Even if he has a headstart the expansion of the explosion will outpace and engulf him. That said, would Shiggy even know to run? Or would he think his Regen would allow him to survive? If he doesn't even bother trying to fly dozens of kilometers away to escape being vaporized I don't think it'll matter.
Yeah but why does Vegeta's travel speed matter. I'm talking about his ki blasts.
And to be honest, if Vegeta sees a dude with a PL of 5 equivalent to a normal human somehow causing the ground around him to erode, I would think he'd be cautious and suspicious. That shouldn't even be physically possible for someone of his PL. Not to mention Vegeta is flying 99% of the time, I don't think he'd even be on the ground when Shiggy uses decay. Shiggy would most likely just be flying at Vegeta to land decay cuz Vegeta is just chilling in the air.
Kazuma_kuwabara
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One funny thing is that if Vegeta is dying, he would selfdestruct just to destroy everything and everyone with it
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Power Mimicry (Presumably copied Krillin's Destructo Disc<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Vegeta_(Dragon_Ball_Z)#cite_note-DBZ46-10"><span>[</span>10<span>]</span></a>)
Vegeta with decay?!
Vegeta with decay?!
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No way people are saying Vegeta dies to standing still. You MHA fans make me disappointed.
Vegeta WILL fly up or flex his KI. He does NOT take attacks head on. That is a gross, absurd, wild and stupid exaggeration of his arrogance. He is arrogant in that he want to PROVE he is superior, not that he will ignore any ability ever from an opponent weaker than himself.
He is going to notice the decay wave’s effects. They are blatantly obvious and regardless of his power level, Vegeta is going to either be confused or understand it. Regardless, he is going to fly up or flex his Ki to make a barrier.
This is also ignoring that he can avoid Decay before it gets too bad on his body since it DOES have a travel time. It would start decaying his boots and he would immediately fly away.
There is no world where anyone here should believe that he simply dies to Decay Wave. He is going to survive it / avoid it with minimal damage and there is going to be a real fight.
Argue better.
Vegeta WILL fly up or flex his KI. He does NOT take attacks head on. That is a gross, absurd, wild and stupid exaggeration of his arrogance. He is arrogant in that he want to PROVE he is superior, not that he will ignore any ability ever from an opponent weaker than himself.
He is going to notice the decay wave’s effects. They are blatantly obvious and regardless of his power level, Vegeta is going to either be confused or understand it. Regardless, he is going to fly up or flex his Ki to make a barrier.
This is also ignoring that he can avoid Decay before it gets too bad on his body since it DOES have a travel time. It would start decaying his boots and he would immediately fly away.
There is no world where anyone here should believe that he simply dies to Decay Wave. He is going to survive it / avoid it with minimal damage and there is going to be a real fight.
Argue better.
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I don’t think it really matter , vegeta isn’t going to stand in one place and tank an unknown attack that visibly corrode the ground, vegeta battle iq would make him sense the danger of something regardless of the user power since like krillin that is irrelevant, is the ability that is dangerous not the user power lvl
I don’t know why shigaraki should be able to resist vegeta intimidation, if he has resistance than of curse
For the dirty firework you are right I think, but it don’t invalidate the fact that vegeta just need to flex he’s aura or spam AOE ki blast
And vegeta has his scouter to locate shigaraki position ,
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Proof of this: Letting Cell power up just to show that power ups would mean nothing
Spoiler, it meant something
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That's a little different what this is.
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Shigaraki doesn’t have anything even CLOSE to the relationship that Vegeta had with Cell. This is a random person much weaker than him that is seemingly decaying the ground. Vegeta would at most limit himself from vaporizing him with full power blasts. That doesn’t equate to ignoring his abilities.
Even against Imperfect Cell, he beat the hell out of him first and got CONVINCED to let him power up because he wanted to stomp on him at full power too. Before that, he was dodging all of Cell’s attacks and kicking his ass.
Vegeta isn’t dumb enough to stand still when he can fly and an enemies attack is traveling through the ground. He would cross his arms and slightly hover just to show how useless the attack was then fly at Shigaraki to kick his ass.
THAT would be in character of Saiyan Saga Vegeta.
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At most, you can say Vegeta might not realize that anything CURRENTLY being decayed will also decay you if it touches. That would at most catch him off guard a single time before he destroys whatever part of his clothing is being decayed well before he himself is. After that he is going to be pissed and immediately start on vaporizing Shigaraki. Ergo, real fight starts.
Decay wave is not going to be the thing that kills Vegeta.
Decay wave is not going to be the thing that kills Vegeta.
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I doubt Vegeta will have time to evade by the time his clothes are hit
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Why?
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Cuz his clothes are like...on his skin, he has 0 time to move away from this distance with equal speed and his face isn't protected
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Before his clothes start vanishing, wouldn't he see the ground beneath and in front of him disappearing?
Kazuma_kuwabara
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I am supporting your argument-
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That's not my point. Im saying it would be too late if the decay already reach his clothes
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Even assuming the worst case scenario and Vegeta doesn't dodge the decay wave, there's no way it'll kill him. People comparable to Shigaraki are able to react and avoid being killed by giving up their limbs. At worst, Vegeta will have to sacrifice a leg or two and get pissed off.
Note: Visually, decay doesn't look like hax. Even Izuku thought it was just a shockwave and tried to push it back. So, I can see Vegeta being taken off guard, but I don't see how it'd kill him. He'd fly up and nuke the area. Actually, there is a nonzero chance that in that situation, Vegeta might just blow up the Earth for being injured by an inferior species. However, he could settle for nuking the country or half the planet if he isn't that angry. (Because he can't survive in space)
If he sees the decay as a threat, he will dodge it, regardless of who it comes from. However, I can't say if he'll recognize decay as hax or just a shockwave of destruction.
Also, this match up cannot happen.
Versus Thread Rules: "Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles. As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added."
There's another rule.
"It is not fine to restrict abilities in a versus matchup, implicitly or expressly. Matches that are arranged this way should not be added to the character profiles, as they don't involve their full potential, and are only intended for casual entertainment. An exception would be if the restricted ability/technique has a separate tier from the main one, and is one the character can consciously restrict themselves from using. In this case, the match can be added.
Tomura Shigaraki has a blitz level speed amp, which cannot happen as Vegeta is faster. That means the match cannot be added. You also cannot restrict Tomura's speed amp because his speed doesn't go into a separate tier.
This thread should be closed.
Note: Visually, decay doesn't look like hax. Even Izuku thought it was just a shockwave and tried to push it back. So, I can see Vegeta being taken off guard, but I don't see how it'd kill him. He'd fly up and nuke the area. Actually, there is a nonzero chance that in that situation, Vegeta might just blow up the Earth for being injured by an inferior species. However, he could settle for nuking the country or half the planet if he isn't that angry. (Because he can't survive in space)
If he sees the decay as a threat, he will dodge it, regardless of who it comes from. However, I can't say if he'll recognize decay as hax or just a shockwave of destruction.
Also, this match up cannot happen.
Versus Thread Rules: "Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles. As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added."
There's another rule.
"It is not fine to restrict abilities in a versus matchup, implicitly or expressly. Matches that are arranged this way should not be added to the character profiles, as they don't involve their full potential, and are only intended for casual entertainment. An exception would be if the restricted ability/technique has a separate tier from the main one, and is one the character can consciously restrict themselves from using. In this case, the match can be added.
Tomura Shigaraki has a blitz level speed amp, which cannot happen as Vegeta is faster. That means the match cannot be added. You also cannot restrict Tomura's speed amp because his speed doesn't go into a separate tier.
This thread should be closed.
Delusionaltx2
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Well shoot guess the matchup can't happen
Kazuma_kuwabara
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So Shigaraki got trapped and betrayed in the versus thread rules ?
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