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Both at Low 2-C and Speed Equalized.
Toppo: 8 (@FluffyCreatureZ, @sanicspood, @TauanVictor, @Pokemonfan807, @Shizuka, @Knifeman29, @Spinoirr and @BetterThanYou)
Darkseid:
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Toppo vs Darkseid (GRACE)
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Both at Low 2-C and Speed Equalized.
Toppo: 8 (@FluffyCreatureZ, @sanicspood, @TauanVictor, @Pokemonfan807, @Shizuka, @Knifeman29, @Spinoirr and @BetterThanYou)
Darkseid:
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...what stops Darkseid from beening hakai-ed the crap out of him?
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He is weak. New 52 one was extremely weak.
Honestly he doesn't even have any actual feats above tier 4 but eh
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CAN Darkseid get around Toppo's Existence Erasure Hakai Aura?
He has his Genius Intelligence & 18 Divine Senses, so he might know what's going on.
He has his Omega Beams, which track, & energy blasts from his hands.
He could banish Toppo with a Boom Tube, or use Boom Tubes to summon the forces of Apokolips, presuming they're accessible in the match's circumstances.
He has these:
Energy Absorption (Gained power by absorbing the powers of Old Gods), Life Force Absorption (Absorbed life force from Wonder Woman and returned to adulthood by absorbing all of Zeus' life force)
Could those let him absorb or gain the power of the hakai, or not die from it? Or drain Toppo to death? Or heal him?
Also this:
Gravity Manipulation and Space-Time Manipulation (Can generate a gravitational pull so strong that space is twisted and time is stretched, so days pass with each second; Physically opened a hole in space)
Dunno if he can use that Gravity Manip to kill, but if it's altering time, would the gravity be sufficient to negate Toppo's durability & kill him? Or distort time in Darkseid's favor?
There's also this:
Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1 - Captured the Black Racer and learned to summon and direct it)
Since the Black Racer is an aspect of death, apparently, could Darkseid sic THAT on Toppo to kill him?
Illusion Creation (Disguised himself as an alien medic)
Used well, might be able to deceive Toppo into letting down his aura. Ex: Disguise himself as dead, or an innocent bystander; Darkseid has telepathy, & Toppo is a devout hero.
Also, I dunno if it stops Hakai erasing him, but....
Spatial Manipulation (No-sold the spatial rending caused by boom spheres and survived the collapse of a boom tube around him which caused fractures in the universal fabric, though he needed to recuperate in the Mobius Chamber afterward), Antimatter Manipulation (Unaffected by the matter-destroying properties of antimatter)
& Darkseid is very intelligent, so I'd be confident he'd have a good sense of what to do. Though, I'm not familiar with this version, nor his In-Character behaviour or standard tactics.
Still, I'd hesitate to call Darkseid "weak".
He has his Genius Intelligence & 18 Divine Senses, so he might know what's going on.
He has his Omega Beams, which track, & energy blasts from his hands.
He could banish Toppo with a Boom Tube, or use Boom Tubes to summon the forces of Apokolips, presuming they're accessible in the match's circumstances.
He has these:
Energy Absorption (Gained power by absorbing the powers of Old Gods), Life Force Absorption (Absorbed life force from Wonder Woman and returned to adulthood by absorbing all of Zeus' life force)
Could those let him absorb or gain the power of the hakai, or not die from it? Or drain Toppo to death? Or heal him?
Also this:
Gravity Manipulation and Space-Time Manipulation (Can generate a gravitational pull so strong that space is twisted and time is stretched, so days pass with each second; Physically opened a hole in space)
Dunno if he can use that Gravity Manip to kill, but if it's altering time, would the gravity be sufficient to negate Toppo's durability & kill him? Or distort time in Darkseid's favor?
There's also this:
Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1 - Captured the Black Racer and learned to summon and direct it)
Since the Black Racer is an aspect of death, apparently, could Darkseid sic THAT on Toppo to kill him?
Illusion Creation (Disguised himself as an alien medic)
Used well, might be able to deceive Toppo into letting down his aura. Ex: Disguise himself as dead, or an innocent bystander; Darkseid has telepathy, & Toppo is a devout hero.
Also, I dunno if it stops Hakai erasing him, but....
Spatial Manipulation (No-sold the spatial rending caused by boom spheres and survived the collapse of a boom tube around him which caused fractures in the universal fabric, though he needed to recuperate in the Mobius Chamber afterward), Antimatter Manipulation (Unaffected by the matter-destroying properties of antimatter)
& Darkseid is very intelligent, so I'd be confident he'd have a good sense of what to do. Though, I'm not familiar with this version, nor his In-Character behaviour or standard tactics.
Still, I'd hesitate to call Darkseid "weak".
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He only collects the souls of the Gods who has fallen in the battlefield. I cannot remember any other instance where he was sent after ordinary opponents aside from the time Darkseid sent him to fight Anti Monitor, but that failed spectacularly. So...
The Black Flash is said to be the same entity as Black Racer. So he only goes after the New Gods and Speedforce bozos. (Kinda forgot why tbh).
The only thing I can see Black Racer doing even if summoned is possessing Toppo. But I believe Toppo can just erase him. (While the Racer can come back from apparent """death""" it's unknown whether he can resist EE).
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idk if Toppo can erase Black Racer, isnt it a conceptual entity? Also, Black Racer can probably kill Toppo just by touching him
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Never showed it in his base form in New 52. Post Flash fusion (aka with some help from ALE), he can. But base form... eh he never showed anything like that.
His absorption is good tho.
His absorption is good tho.
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Darkseid's absorption abilities here, you mean?
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No, Black Racer's. He can "devour lives" which is very very similar to absorption.
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he is. He is death as an inevitability
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Probably life force Absorption, well that is if Toppo doesn't just erase him straight away.
Summoning the Black Racer could also work. Others... Eh, don't think it will grant him anything close to victory.
Summoning the Black Racer could also work. Others... Eh, don't think it will grant him anything close to victory.
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So is this a stomp or
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It seems like Darkseid has win conditions, especially if there's times where Toppo doesn't have a hakai aura up, but even if he doesn't, Darkseid CAN still win.
But how IC his win conditions are, I'm unsure.
(Unimportantly, it's kinda amusing seeing Darkseid be an "underdog" here, lol.)
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So who wins?
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Toppo for reasons above.
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If it’s not a stomp then toppo fra
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Can i see scans were?
Has no wincon this is new 52.
Black Racer should be far faster than toppo, and his conceptual being just basically death and a touch would tho but Darkseid won't start with that in character due to his pride and also this is also an emanation due to infinite frontier Darkseid statement.
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Blackest Night iirc
It's speed equal
Except he didn't show that in new 52. At least not in a traditional manner
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The powers & abilities I listed above are from:
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Darkseid may refer to: Mainstream Darkseid depictions: Pre-Flashpoint Post-Flashpoint Non-Comic Portrayals: DCAU DC Extended Universe Smallville DC Animated Movie Universe Injustice: Gods Among Us Lego DC
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IDK if that applies to summons (Rules seem unclear on this.), but given that Speed Equalization is a relative multiplier so that techniques normally faster than the user are still relatively faster than the user, then I'd presume if Black Racer would normally be faster than Darkseid, he's still similarly relatively faster than Darkseid here, too.
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His absorption needs contact which could erase him by coming in contact with Toppo who has hakai aura on him.
Cause I know black flash is shown to be death for speedsters while death racer is death to new gods and only chased barry and wally in final crisis which I can't explain very well.
I've read it and I don't remember such.
Cause I know black flash is shown to be death for speedsters while death racer is death to new gods and only chased barry and wally in final crisis which I can't explain very well.
His a summoning.
We already know his abilities why would he need to do so in every appearance.
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Toppo FRA
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Because that's how stuff works... Especially with reboots and whatnot.
Anyway, about the black racer thing, I will find the source for you tomorrow or something.
Anyway, about the black racer thing, I will find the source for you tomorrow or something.
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How is what how what stuff works?
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I just ignore it as its like asking thor or superman to use lightning or lazers in every appearance.
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His death manip. He hasn't shown it in new 52 so we can't assume it works the same way as his pre flashpoint incarnation. While apparently they weren't rebooted in a later retcon, we still don't know if they work in the same way. Because some were rebooted and changed... It's complicated lol
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Gravity Manipulation and Space-Time Manipulation (Can generate a gravitational pull so strong that space is twisted and time is stretched, so days pass with each second; Physically opened a hole in space)
Dunno if he can use that Gravity Manip to kill, but if it's altering time, would the gravity be sufficient to negate Toppo's durability & kill him? Or distort time in Darkseid's favor?
Also, would Darkseid be likely to try Boom-Tube BFR-ing Toppo & be able to succeed? Especially considering his Illusion Creation & Gravity Manipulation?
Gravity Manipulation and Space-Time Manipulation (Can generate a gravitational pull so strong that space is twisted and time is stretched, so days pass with each second; Physically opened a hole in space)
Dunno if he can use that Gravity Manip to kill, but if it's altering time, would the gravity be sufficient to negate Toppo's durability & kill him? Or distort time in Darkseid's favor?
Also, would Darkseid be likely to try Boom-Tube BFR-ing Toppo & be able to succeed? Especially considering his Illusion Creation & Gravity Manipulation?
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So, Black Racer could kill Toppo? Even despite the Hakai Aura?
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& are the Boom-Tubes to BFR a last resort?
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Why does that toppo fan art look like a roblox character model?
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