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[Ihsjihahxu]

“You are a swordsman who has killed gods, and you possess a holy sword
designed for such. That combination should reinforce your god-slaying
capability on a conceptual level.”
Rick had once used the Holy Sword Orz to kill the goddess Vahanato.
That fact lent him a conceptual advantage in killing gods.

Vol - 10 Chapter 9

As is well known, the ability of a holy sword is to grant the power to truly kill gods, and such an ability exists on the level of concepts.

UEG, after being pierced at its core by the holy sword, adapted and further enhanced the sword’s capacity to destroy gods on a conceptual level.
Yet only a few seconds later, UEG returned, for the reason that “a god will continue to come back no matter how many times it is killed or erased,” because the concept of death does not apply to a true god.

only a few seconds later, UEG returned, for the reason that “a god will continue to come back no matter how many times it is killed or erased,” because the concept of death does not apply to a true god.

“Surely those other weaklings who call themselves gods would be killed once their core is destroyed. But a true god has no weaknesses. Even the concept of death does not apply to us.”

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The sacred sword has enhanced its own potential, bringing its attacks to a conceptual level of destruction, the core of which is what defines the individual: the concept of life itself.
But as for the argument that God is immortal, the concept of death has no effect on it,


UEG is back, Regeneration High godly

Yogiri is back, Regeneration Negetion High godly

Agree :

Disagree :

 

[Hecky2222]

Supposedly UEG Low Godly justification lacks any justification except telling us she returned from Existence Erasure.

What is proof for their EE erasing Mind, Soul also to point they can return from complete erasure of body, mind, soul, metaphysical aspect being erased?

 

[Robo432343]

bruh just use this scan to argue high godly

 

[Hecky2222]

bruh just use this scan to argue high godly

 

[Robo432343]

I don't think gods can regen from their concept being erased so just argue history regen

 

[sukuna171]

In ID, gods are virtually indestructible, able to regenerate from any injury, with only Yogiri having the ability to erase them completely.

Spoiler

Yoshifumi manifested his Wandering Edge. It was his strongest weapon,
capable of perfectly erasing his target. He could throw it into the past, making
it so that his target never existed in the first place. He could change the past
without killing them, but that was only one of its uses. This was revenge for
another Sage, so he didn’t intend to play around this time.
Yoshifumi threw the knife. He had no intention of hitting Yogiri, so he
had thrown it in a random direction. It disappeared in the air, flying into the
past. Back to Yogiri’s past, when he was just a newborn baby, impaling his
pathetic, defenseless self. If he did that, the Yogiri in front of him would
disappear in an instant. The only one who would remember what had existed
before he changed the past was Yoshifumi himself. No one else would
believe he had existed in the first place.
A single person disappearing could create all sorts of paradoxes, but
things would work out to be consistent in the end. The weapon had the ability
to restore damaged space-time, so it could use other elements to make up for
the hole it created.

Spoiler

“Oh? I see you have changed your approach. You are now attempting to
kill the very concept of my being. Of course, killing this vessel means little,
so that is the correct path to take, but is it something you are capable of?
Underhanded tactics like killing the concept of a person only works if you
alone are capable of doing it. If we are both capable, then it becomes a simple
contest of strength.”

Spoiler

Instant death. Reflection. Time stop. Time reversal. Spatial severance.
Total erasure. Conceptual attacks. Causality erasure. Such things were
possible for virtually anyone in the sea, so the leaders of the pirates were
more than capable of neutralizing them.

Celestial Foundation Eater have concept type 2 ee

 

[Ihsjihahxu]

Supposedly UEG Low Godly justification lacks any justification except telling us she returned from Existence Erasure.

What is proof for their EE erasing Mind, Soul also to point they can return from complete erasure of body, mind, soul, metaphysical aspect being erased?

Its core, which implies that the core is what makes a person exist; it's the person's concept. When you destroy the core of a person, it's like destroying...

Except for the true God, anyone whose core is destroyed is completely dead.

The core, in essence, is the metaphysical aspect of a person's existence.

 

[Ihsjihahxu]

bruh just use this scan to argue high godly

You said that God scaled based on Mitsuki's ability to attack with the Erasure Bolt because it erased history, even though if that were the case, they would have scaled since the Conceptual Attack.

 

[Robo432343]

there are other ways to qualify for high godly regen like history regen but if you want to argue conceptual regen then go ahead

 

[SkyBlade6635]

That’s right, actually – I don’t know why people get confused about this. When we say ‘essence’, we don’t necessarily mean the soul; the soul is considered to be the essence of a human being, but in a fictional context, the term ‘essence’ can be used in a different way. Here, it’s very clear: we’ve said that an ordinary attack cannot reach her divine core and that, unlike Vahanato, Ueg cannot be killed where she is wounded because it is not an essential part of her being. So, from that point on, it should normally be enough, as it means we must kill an essential part of her existence—hence ‘her essence’ but if that is still not enough, then consider that an ordinary attack cannot reach her divine core, which is here the fundamental aspect of her existence, but Rick’s sword was able to do so because it (the sword) has a conceptual advantage: it is not a sword like any other; so here it is not necessary to mention the words ‘soul’ "spirit" etc. If the part struck represents the very quiddity/essence of UEG, then it makes sense, so I agree with this point; it’s quite obvious.

 

[sukuna171]

In ID, gods are virtually indestructible, able to regenerate from any injury, with only Yogiri having the ability to erase them completely.

Spoiler

Yoshifumi manifested his Wandering Edge. It was his strongest weapon,
capable of perfectly erasing his target. He could throw it into the past, making
it so that his target never existed in the first place. He could change the past
without killing them, but that was only one of its uses. This was revenge for
another Sage, so he didn’t intend to play around this time.
Yoshifumi threw the knife. He had no intention of hitting Yogiri, so he
had thrown it in a random direction. It disappeared in the air, flying into the
past. Back to Yogiri’s past, when he was just a newborn baby, impaling his
pathetic, defenseless self. If he did that, the Yogiri in front of him would
disappear in an instant. The only one who would remember what had existed
before he changed the past was Yoshifumi himself. No one else would
believe he had existed in the first place.
A single person disappearing could create all sorts of paradoxes, but
things would work out to be consistent in the end. The weapon had the ability
to restore damaged space-time, so it could use other elements to make up for
the hole it created.

Spoiler

“Oh? I see you have changed your approach. You are now attempting to
kill the very concept of my being. Of course, killing this vessel means little,
so that is the correct path to take, but is it something you are capable of?
Underhanded tactics like killing the concept of a person only works if you
alone are capable of doing it. If we are both capable, then it becomes a simple
contest of strength.”

Spoiler

Instant death. Reflection. Time stop. Time reversal. Spatial severance.
Total erasure. Conceptual attacks. Causality erasure. Such things were
possible for virtually anyone in the sea, so the leaders of the pirates were
more than capable of neutralizing them.

Celestial Foundation Eater have concept type 2 ee

Bump

 

[Ihsjihahxu]

Bump

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I agree with what was mentioned in the thread based on what @sukuna171 said in his statement and what @Robo432343 also mentioned.

 

[Robo432343]

so it turns out this actually qualifies for HGR

 

[Hecky2222]

so it turns out this actually qualifies for HGR

Agree with regen through HGR via @sukuna171 reasons

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I agree as well.

We should wait for the staff now. Could you ask the staff to come? Let’s all help bring them into this thread.

 

[Xdsagecat]

so it turns out this actually qualifies for HGR

If that's true then yeah I agree fra

 

[Reiner04]

@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless @Elizhaa
I was asked to Ping some staffs. So your opinion will be appreciated.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless @Elizhaa
I was asked to Ping some staffs. So your opinion will be appreciated.

@Vietthai96 has agreed with the argument here; do you agree with him?

The argument is that the gods are able to return even after being erased from all of history (past, present, and future), as if they had never existed at all, with everyone forgetting them. Returning from this kind of erasure qualifies as possessing High godly divine regeneration, and this is what Vietthai96 agreed with.

Let's call it an erasure bolt," the Great Sage said. "If it hits you, it deletes your entire past, present, and future. I guess in really simple terms, it'll make it so that I totally forget you ever existed."

 

[sukuna171]

Here’s another scan to support gods HGR

The UEG had never considered that. She had believed gods were
indestructible, eternal beings. She had killed any number of gods, but death
was just another state of being for them, one from which they would
eventually recover.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Here’s another scan to support gods HGR

This is evidence that will also support having NEP 1, and I’m currently working on it; I’ll publish it in about a month.

The gods can exist even after death and erasure, since death for them is merely another state of existence. They can continue to exist even after their existence is erased and they are killed.

 

[Hecky2222]

History EE seems quite blatant and Kuma told me Yogiri straight up regenerated from it

Jokes aside. There is literally no infromation about how anyone regenerated from erasure bold. This is actually what happens in Chapter 25 Volume 13

Mitsuki collapsed, his erasure bolt winking out before it reached Yogiri. Hisfriend Alexia was still frozen

So no regeneration stuff going there. There is no correlation about how gods or Yogiri can regenerate from it anyway. So HGR from History isn't here

About conceptual stuff which guys arguing about. It was pointed out already and nor thread neither arguments here debunking "debunks" and it would go against Discussion Rule:

Instant Death Rules​

• Any new CRT centred around addition of previously rejected abilities must contain a link to the previous CRT where it was rejected, furthermore the OP must be self sufficient in addressing the reasoning behind the rejection, if it fails to address the logic behind the removal then the thread is liable to be removed under a moderators discretion however it can still be opened at a later point in time if the OP is adequately edited to meet the above requirements. The previous downgrades have been agreed upon without much intervention as such changing them requires sufficient evidence, something which has been quite lacking in recent revisions.
  
  

So ye

 

[Cipher72]

Umm p sure OP already requested closure in the staff thread (It got deleted) someone ping mods to close