Very Minor Luffy downgrade

[Dark_Soul20189]

Just removing or improving some questionable abilities for Luffy


First of all

• Stealth Mastery (Was taught to be a thief by Ace and Sabo)

I fail to see how this is enough for any ability, at best we need to reword it, with some actual feats or statements. At worst just removed it completely.

We also know that Luffy rushes in head first into basically anything. I fail to see how he has any form of real "stealth"

Second

• Semi-Homing Attack (In Gear 4th, Luffy can bend the trajectory of his attacks with Python)

First of all, the scan doesn't even work.
Second of all, him changing directions of his own attack doesn't qualify for Homing attacks.

From what I understand Phyton and other gear 4 (Snakeman) attacks, can change direction mid air, with the will of luffy or just bounce. Now why is this a problem?

From the Homing attacks page

Homing Attacks are moves that directly seek out its target, reducing the chance of missing even if the user or the opponent makes sharp turns, is in the air or suspended in space, and have a long distance between each opponent. Some homing attacks can continue seeking out their target even if there are obstacles between the homing attack and the target.

The main point is, that it directly seeks out it's target.

It isn't just being able to extend your limbs and bend them, like in Luffy's case.

Current proposal to be changed to

• Homing Attack (In Gear 4th, Luffy can make his attacks chase after people by bending the trajectory of his attacks with Python)

Thank you everyone that is participating in this thread. I hope we can all have a civil discussion, and I wish everyone a great day.

PS, I am sorry for my bad English


Agree - @Damage3245 (Some points seems fair), @Nierre (on stealth mastery)

Disagree -

Neutral - @DarkDragonMedeus (on Homing), @Nierre (on homing)

 

[Damage3245]

Some fair points there.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Some fair points there.

May I ask which parts you agree with?

Thank you for the early input. I didn't expect to get any this fast... Even less from a staff member.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Luffy seeking out it's target and following their movement and technology seeking out it's target and following it's movement is basically the same thing

There's no difference there especially when obs Haki is even involved

The homing page perfectly describes what luffy is doing

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Luffy seeking out it's target and following their movement and technology seeking out it's target and following it's movement is basically the same thing

Homing isn't limited to technology, the problem here is that the attack should do it "automaticly" without the input from the user.

Also, with that argument, I can just call a normal punch ""Homing"" if i change the direction mid way.

My point is that a attack can only count as "homing" if it's seeks out it's target by itself, not with A conscious human mind directing it.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Homing isn't limited to technology, the problem here is that the attack should do it "automaticly" without the input from the user.

My point is that a attack can only count as "homing" if it's seeks out it's target by itself, not with A conscious human mind directing it.

which observation haki can do, even still homing attacks can still directed by humans similar to like a drone or the examples on the page

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

which observation haki can do, even still homing attacks can still directed by humans similar to like a drone

I don't see your point, First of if Observation Haki could do that, that would be on the page, but it can't. It is just Luffy seeing the future, and bending the attacks so the attack where the opponent is going, due to him aiming their. That is just normal Precog.

Also, drones don't have "homing" when they are directed by a human.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I don't see your point, First of if Observation Haki could do that, that would be on the page, but it can't.

because observation haki doesn't attack...

His own body is moving on it's own solely because of haki targeting brook's presence

An attack always chasing you is literally a homing attack

Luffy himself even says that python is chasing/going after them

It is just Luffy seeing the future, and bending the attacks so the attack where the opponent is going, due to him aiming their. That is just normal Precog.

Precog has nothing to do with the observation haki I'm talking about.

Also, drones don't have "homing" when they are directed by a human.

I guess kinda, but the examples has Heat Seeking Missiles listed as a homing attack which senses heat and targets that while luffy can do the same with observation haki but instead is sensing their presence which works subconsciously

 

[Nierre]

Neutral on Homing

But removal of Stealth Mastery is fine

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm pretty sure i remember Luffy demonstrating some pretty good stealth mastery feats (Especially whenever food is involved, he's good at taking that when no one is looking); and just because he doesn't normally make use if it in character does not mean is isn't in capable of it.

Neutral about the homing attack though.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I'm pretty sure i remember Luffy demonstrating some pretty good stealth mastery feats (Especially whenever food is involved, he's good at taking that when no one is looking); and just because he doesn't normally make use if it in character does not mean is isn't in capable of it.

While I do agree, He has some decent stealth feats, the problem for me that it is extremly rareley, done and usally can't keep it up for long. Not to mentioned when he dose it, it is only to have fun or get food (meat)

That is why i suggested to either remove it, or at least change the description to have better examples, preferably with some scans.
(would love if someone in the one piece community would come here and help with that.)

Neutral about the homing attack though.

Will add you to neutral there then.

Thank you for your vote and explanation.

 

[Robo432343]

Luffy rarely performing stealth mastery doesn’t change the fact that he still has the ability tho????wtf

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Luffy rarely performing stealth mastery doesn’t change the fact that he still has the ability tho????wtf

I mean that as in, him doing something only to be "caught" due to doing something stupid, or being unable to to act, or be stealthy. And the this only seems to be a case form of "comic relief".

So do you think, sneaking into a place only to be caught for doing something stupid, deserves to be called "stealth mastery?

That was what i meant by rarely.

 

[Robo432343]

I mean that as in, him doing something only to be "caught" due to doing something stupid, or being unable to to act, or be stealthy. And the this only seems to be a case form of "comic relief".

So do you think, sneaking into a place only to be caught for doing something stupid, deserves to be called "stealth mastery?

That was what i meant by rarely.

HUH???so Luffy cant have stealth mastery because the scenes where he demonstrates stealth mastery are stupid/funny??

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

so Luffy cant have stealth mastery because the scenes where he demonstrates stealth mastery is stupid/funny??

Are you you actually reading my entire reply, or only focusing on specifc parts of it?
Or is my English just that bad you can't understand it?

 

[Robo432343]

Are you you actually reading my entire reply, or only focusing on specifc parts of it?
Or is my English just that bad you can't understand it?

im trying to understand your argument here
it looks like the reason why you are not fine with stealth mastery is because he only performs stealth mastery to have fun or to get food
this is what you said
"it is extremly rareley, done and usally can't keep it up for long. Not to mentioned when he dose it, it is only to have fun or get food (meat)"

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

im trying to understand your argument here
it looks like the reason why you are not fine with stealth mastery is because he only performs stealth mastery to have fun or to get food
this is what you said
"it is extremly rareley, done and usally can't keep it up for long. Not to mentioned when he dose it, it is only to have fun or get food (meat)"

So you are completly ignoring all the other arguments, such as "getting caught" "being unable to properly hide" "only being able to actually be stealthy during certain sitautions"

Or the fact it is litterly stated in the CRT itself to

I fail to see how this is enough for any ability, at best we need to reword it, with some actual feats or statements. At worst just removed it completely.

As mentioned, legit in my CRT, I am either looking to remove it complelty, OR actually get a better explantion with some actual feats and scans.

That would be something you would have known, if you actually read the CRT. But instead you choose to nitpick the one thing you found wrong (my shitty english, debating and explaantion skills are work)

So we have 3 options
First you can either read the actual CRT, and my proposals and actually give some input.
Second, you can just leave.
Third, We continue a pointless debate that dosen't actually have something to do with the thread. and is rather a problem with my English.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

An attack always chasing you is literally a homing attack

Luffy himself even says that python is chasing/going after them

This works, Thank you for actually providing scans

Also may i request if you have any idea how to rephrase that description?

 

[Ryuga21]

Guido Mista has homing attack just because his stand kicks the bullets he fires at the target and changes their trajectory.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Guido Mista has homing attack just because his stand kicks the bullets he fires at the target and changes their trajectory.

My point was, that if it was chasing after the target automaticly, and with more confirmation and the scans that have been provided, I can clearly say it dose. Now i just gotta reword the description for it.

 

[Ryuga21]

In this case, the "semi" part should be removed, Luffy should have homing attack with all the letters

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Also may i request if you have any idea how to rephrase that description?

doesn't really need to I think, but I guess like this?

• Homing Attack (In Gear 4th, Luffy can make his attacks chase after people by bending the trajectory of his attacks with Python)

 

[Bernkastelll]

doesn't really need to I think, but I guess like this?

I agree with this

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

It is better, but it needs to mentioned how it is "following" or "tracking" the target in some way.

doesn't the chase part not imply that? The attack chasing after you means it's following/tracking you

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

doesn't really need to I think, but I guess like this?

A lot better, now we just need to add scans, and possibly a bit better grammer.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

doesn't the chase part not imply that? The attack chasing after you means it's following/tracking you

It is midnight here and i am tired braindead rn, so i misread the what you said.... Sorry about that (that is why i deleted the comments after publishing it.... I am sorry about that, it was my mistake there.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

A lot better, now we just need to add scans, and possibly a bit better grammer.

I've added scans... Idk how else to rework the grammar tho

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

• Homing Attack (In Gear 4th, Luffy can make his attacks chase after people while bending the trajectory of the target following them with Python)

Dose this look better?

I've added scans... Idk how else to rework the grammar tho

Tried to improve it, but I am also shit with grammar...

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

• Homing Attack (In Gear 4th, Luffy can make his attacks chase after people while bending the trajectory of the target following them with Python)

Dose this look better?

Tried to improve it, but I am also shit with grammar...

The ending doesn't really make much sense but the beginning part seem better, I edited my post above with it

Tried to improve it, but I am also shit with grammar...

Nah.. It's just that grammar is shit, not us

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Now it looks a lot bettter.

The ending doesn't really make much sense but the beginning part seem better, I edited my post above with it

Now for the fun part.... We just wait for the CRT to either get accepted or rejected...

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Nah.. It's just that grammar is shit, not us

ahh hell nah, just realized we both from Sweden I think not a good look

Now for the fun part.... We just wait for the CRT to either get accepted or rejected...

You can wait or simply ask staff if they can give input... You should preferably also edit the top post to conclude the proposals for the suggested changes