Villainous Upgrade

[ArthurBeyy]

Hello, I haven't messed with opening this crt for a long time, there are really a lot of shortcomings in villainous, I want to fix them, I hope you like it.

2A FEAT:

Dr. Flug Codename: Kids Next Door destroys the plot and cuts it from the network (timestamp (11:57)), technically erasing the plot from existence entirely. This crossover is part of the episode's canon , He stated that they supported the counter-production drawing

The Grim Adventures of the Kids Next Door, Kids Next Door ve Billy & Mandy dizilerinin yapımcıları tarafından kod adı verilen bir bölümdür.so we can say they belong to the same multiverse. There's even a story in the episode where the Father and Black Hat meet.
both stories exist in the same shared universe within the series. By implication, these three stories are canon to each other. By implication, these three stories are canon to each other. The evil Billy & Mandy storyline is canon.This indirectly solidifies it as canon to some degree. In this episode, there's a conflict between universes. Billy and Mandy are scattered between universes.Villainous already contains this plot within itself. (timestamp 0:45) Grimm states that there are an infinite number of parallel multiverses. (timestamp 5:06) The codename Dr Flug involves destroying the Billy and Mandy construct on the same world as the children, this meets the 2A constructs

Hatbot-Sentiel 5A Feat and MFTL+ :
Hatbot-sentiel Lord Boxman scares and can surpass him in speed and strength Scalable from Hatbot-sentiel in speed and rank, superior to Flug Demencia and Black Hat Lord Boxman already bad OKKO mutual canon fictions in the same world

Note: I tagged the wrong black hat

Characters: Black Hat , Dr Flug and Hatbot-sentiel
I AGREE: @Tank1418 (alone cosmology) @RigelBR7 (alone 5A and mftl+)
@Cid-kagenou0 @Apex_Predator_GX
I DONT AGREE: @Mr. Bambu
NOTR:

 

[ArthurBeyy]

Bump

 

[Tank1418]

Damn

 

[Tank1418]

I agree with 2A and they should upgrade The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy's Cosmology

 

[ArthurBeyy]

I agree with 2A and they should upgrade The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy's Cosmology

Do you have any comments about 5A and MFTL+?

 

[Firestorm808]

The scene you are linking to is in Spanish.

I don't know what the characters are saying to suggest that entire "fictions" are being erased.

Do you have a transcript?

 

[Tank1418]

Hatbot-Sentiel 5A Feat and MFTL+ :
Hatbot-sentiel scares Lord Boxman and can overpower him in speed and power Scalable in speed and tier from Hatbot-sentiel, superior to Flug Demencia and Black Hat Lord Boxman already villainous O.K.K.O mutual canon fictions in the same world

I not sure about this. You use a statement from the creator. But you can check that it's canon in this

 

[ArthurBeyy]

The scene you are linking to is in Spanish.

I don't know what the characters are saying to suggest that entire "fictions" are being erased.

Do you have a transcript?

Sir, YouTube also has an automatic translation feature, and while showing the Codename: Kids Next Door show, it removes it from the broadcast network, that is, destroys it, this status is taken as basis.

Thanks for commenting, I'm a little excited too.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

I not sure about this. You use a statement from the creator. But you can check that it's canon in this

This canon has been approved by both authors, and even these two fictions are in the same world.

 

[Tank1418]

This canon has been approved by both authors, and even these two fictions are in the same world.

If it hasn't been officially acknowledged on this website, it can't be used—unless it's already recognized as valid according to what's stated in the blog.

 

[Tank1418]

That's why I asked you to check the blog to see if that cartoon has been approved as canon.

 

[Firestorm808]

while showing the Codename: Kids Next Door show, it removes it from the broadcast network, that is, destroys it, this status is taken as basis.

Thanks for commenting, I'm a little excited too.

Nothing in this scene suggests that an entire reality was destroyed.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

If it hasn't been officially acknowledged on this website, it can't be used—unless it's already recognized as valid according to what's stated in the blog.

When I look at the blog, the transitions are in the two-sided canon section, O.K.K.O was put by blogger

 

[ArthurBeyy]

Nothing in this scene suggests that an entire reality was destroyed.

While I understand the concern regarding the visual implications of the scene, I'd like to clarify that the destruction is not merely visual or symbolic. In the scene, Dr. Flug targets the Codename: Kids Next Door universe, displaying the actual cartoon feed being terminated. The implication is furthered by the fact that the broadcast from that entire fictional setting is forcibly removed from existence—this is not just cancelling a show, it's removing its existence within the context of the in-universe multiverse network, which is treated as a literal multiverse of realities in Villainous.

 

[Firestorm808]

the broadcast from that entire fictional setting is forcibly removed from existence—this is not just cancelling a show, it's removing its existence within the context of the in-universe multiverse network, which is treated as a literal multiverse of realities in Villainous.

Why do you say it is being "forcibly removed from existence"?

 

[Tank1418]

I agree with 2A because I believe it integrates the cosmologies, thereby placing Villainous within the same tier. That said, I don't think the characters actually erase existence; it seems more like a broadcast representation.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

The reason I agree with 2A is because I believe it would unify the cosmology, which would also make the cosmology of Villainous fall under 2A. However, I don't think they actually erase existence—it's more like a live broadcast.

So you disagree with part 2A? That upsets me but thanks for your comments

While it might appear as a live broadcast being interrupted, the context suggests more. The in-universe characters treat the Codename: Kids Next Door universe as a real, active fiction within the multiverse framework. Flug not only interrupts the signal but removes the show entirely from existence using his technology, implying a form of metafictional erasure.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

Why do you say it is being "forcibly removed from existence"?

The reason I describe it as being "forcibly removed from existence" is due to how the scene is visually and contextually presented. The footage from Codename: Kids Next Door is not simply turned off — it is digitally broken down and deleted by Dr. Flug through his equipment, with no indication that it remains accessible in any form afterward.

In the context of Villainous, the monitors are used to observe and interact with other narratives as if they were tangible parts of a larger system. The way Flug erases this specific one — accompanied by visual distortion and shutdown — strongly implies a complete erasure rather than a temporary removal or censorship.

This portrayal, combined with the fact that the crossovers are officially recognized as canon by the creators, supports the interpretation that the show’s world was permanently deleted from their networked system.

If helpful, I can provide translated subtitles or a transcript to clarify what is being said during the scene.

 

[Tank1418]

I agree with some of the information you presented, which should be sufficient for Comology 2A, but I disagree with the complete erasure of existence that you mentioned.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Yeah no, yall are hyping up Villainous far too much here.

The "digitally broken down multiverse attack" and "cancelling the show" type thing has basically nothing going for it. From the short clip I see it's just a joke based on the actual endings for KND with the joke being that instead of a normal transmission end it's instead interrupted because they literally cut Nigel off mid-sentence.

Flug even says before that if they kept sticking their nose into Black Hat business that they would face some wrath, which directly indicates that he has no intention of actually attacking the kids unless they mess with Black Hat again.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

I agree with some of the information you presented, which should be sufficient for Comology 2A, but I disagree with the complete erasure of existence that you mentioned.

Thank you for your response.
I'm glad we agree on the Cosmology being 2-A. As for the notion of "complete erasure from existence," what I was referring to was more metaphorical — in the sense that the show is being removed from the network’s system and effectively inaccessible within the narrative framework.

In the scene, we see the broadcast being disrupted, collapsing, and ultimately removed, implying that the narrative associated with that universe is no longer part of the system. While this isn’t a literal erasure of reality, within a metafictional context, such events often symbolize a form of "removal from existence" in terms of accessibility or relevance.

So to clarify, my usage of "forcibly removed from existence" was meant as a metafictional or symbolic term rather than a literal one. I'm more than happy to revise the phrasing to better reflect that intention if necessary.

I hope you change your mind

 

[ArthurBeyy]

Yeah no, yall are hyping up Villainous far too much here.

The "digitally broken down multiverse attack" and "cancelling the show" type thing has basically nothing going for it. From the short clip I see it's just a joke based on the actual endings for KND with the joke being that instead of a normal transmission end it's instead interrupted because they literally cut Nigel off mid-sentence.

Flug even says before that if they kept sticking their nose into Black Hat business that they would face some wrath, which directly indicates that he has no intention of actually attacking the kids unless they mess with Black Hat again.

While I agree that the tone of the scene is comedic (as is the overall nature of the show), metafictional series like Villainous often use humor to deliver serious implications within their own cosmological logic. The scene in question doesn’t just cut the transmission as a gag; it visually portrays the broadcast collapsing into digital distortion, which, given the context and the multiversal broadcasting concept presented earlier in the orientation videos, symbolically frames the “removal” as something more than just a joke.

Dr. Flug’s statement that they’d “face consequences if they interfered with Black Hat’s business” indeed implies conditionality — but the fact remains that when the interference happens, we directly see the in-universe broadcasting system targeting and erasing the show in real time. It’s not about attacking the kids themselves physically, but rather about attacking their narrative space, which in a metafictional context is their reality

Even if one interprets it as symbolic or exaggerated, that’s often the standard with metafictional characters like Black Hat. It’s comparable to how Animaniacs or Freakazoid can affect their universe via fourth-wall breaks — not literal in a conventional sense, but very real within the metafictional cosmology.

Ultimately, I’m not claiming this is a hard universal erasure like some abstract cosmics might perform, but it does align with how metafictional power is interpreted in fiction-based scaling, especially in characters who operate outside the bounds of traditional storytelling rules.

I’m happy to reword the claim to reflect that this is metafictional multiversal removal via narrative overwrite, not literal "destroying the multiverse" in the cosmological sense

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

While I agree that the tone of the scene is comedic (as is the overall nature of the show), metafictional series like Villainous often use humor to deliver serious implications within their own cosmological logic. The scene in question doesn’t just cut the transmission as a gag; it visually portrays the broadcast collapsing into digital distortion, which, given the context and the multiversal broadcasting concept presented earlier in the orientation videos, symbolically frames the “removal” as something more than just a joke.

....... that is a very generous description for what's being done. A far more direct and simple one is that Black Hat using some 4th wall breaking just forcibly ended the episode, an effect and power mind you he already has, in the very same episode. A digital distortion on it's own doesn't in anyway show evidence that an entire multiverse is being destroyed. Unless you want to say he destroyed his own verse when he used the exact same effect despite the fact it's clearly shown to be fine right after.

The context of multiverse broadcasting also doesn't "symbolically frames the “removal” as something more than just a joke." That just makes the joke all the more literal as Black Hat literally just interrupts the transmission from the broadcasting equipment to cut Nigel off, something which doesn't just automatically grants reality destruction since that's just clairvoyaince.

Dr. Flug’s statement that they’d “face consequences if they interfered with Black Hat’s business” indeed implies conditionality — but the fact remains that when the interference happens, we directly see the in-universe broadcasting system targeting and erasing the show in real time. It’s not about attacking the kids themselves physically, but rather about attacking their narrative space, which in a metafictional context is their reality

Alright for starters, from my knowledge of the show they don't view the other universes as "lesser" or anything. Black Hat himself recognizes himself as a cartoon like the other so adding metafictional and narrative space is irrelevant since it's just normal reality for them. Additionally no we don't see the in-universe broadcasting system targeting and erasing the show in real time we see Nigel get interrupted and a parody scene of the ending occurs. The fact still remains that there is nothing implying Flug was going to attack here and this entire line of logic is a massive jumping of sharks.

Even if one interprets it as symbolic or exaggerated, that’s often the standard with metafictional characters like Black Hat. It’s comparable to how Animaniacs or Freakazoid can affect their universe via fourth-wall breaks — not literal in a conventional sense, but very real within the metafictional cosmology.

Correct....... however using the logic of it being a 4th wall break that wouldn't make it "he destroyed the universe" it'd be "He forcibly ended the episode" which isn't a feat of destruction.

Ultimately, I’m not claiming this is a hard universal erasure like some abstract cosmics might perform, but it does align with how metafictional power is interpreted in fiction-based scaling, especially in characters who operate outside the bounds of traditional storytelling rules.

I’m happy to reword the claim to reflect that this is metafictional multiversal removal via narrative overwrite, not literal "destroying the multiverse" in the cosmological sense

The best you can probably get is another example of 4th wall breaking and Plot Manip, 2 abilities Black Hat already has

 

[ArthurBeyy]

that is a very generous description for what's being done. A far more direct and simple one is that Black Hat using some 4th wall breaking just forcibly ended the episode, an effect and power mind you he already has, in the very same episode. A digital distortion on it's own doesn't in anyway show evidence that an entire multiverse is being destroyed. Unless you want to say he destroyed his own verse when he used the exact same effect despite the fact it's clearly shown to be fine right after.

The context of multiverse broadcasting also doesn't "symbolically frames the “removal” as something more than just a joke." That just makes the joke all the more literal as Black Hat literally just interrupts the transmission from the broadcasting equipment to cut Nigel off, something which doesn't just automatically grants reality destruction since that's just clairvoyaince.

While I understand the interpretation presented, reducing the event to mere "4th wall breaking" ignores key narrative elements that give it greater weight within the internal logic of the Villainous cosmology. Black Hat's interference is not just comedic interruption—it’s portrayed through literal disintegration of the feed across all networks, after direct mention of "erasing them from existence" (in-universe phrasing). The "glitch effect" is not used in the same context earlier; its reappearance specifically during the scene of removal carries a different narrative weight when placed after Flug’s explicit warning.

Furthermore, the broadcast collapse is not localized—the transmission is halted at a global multiversal scale, which is directly established in orientation materials as the network’s scope. This indicates more than a visual joke; it’s a metaphysical interference in a system that previously required trans-reality logistics to operate. The fact that the interruption is synchronized with a threat and a visual corruption of the medium emphasizes intentionality and magnitude.

Lastly, the idea that it's "just clairvoyance" doesn't hold, since clairvoyance doesn't grant the power to forcibly terminate ongoing reality-level communications across universes. It conflates passive observation with active intervention, and Villainous as a metafictional narrative frequently treats such interventions with narrative causality and consequence.

Thus, this interpretation is consistent with the internal rules of the cosmology and aligns with other metafictional works where comedic presentation masks larger narrative stakes (e.g., Animaniacs, OK K.O., Duck Amuck, etc.).

Alright for starters, from my knowledge of the show they don't view the other universes as "lesser" or anything. Black Hat himself recognizes himself as a cartoon like the other so adding metafictional and narrative space is irrelevant since it's just normal reality for them. Additionally no we don't see the in-universe broadcasting system targeting and erasing the show in real time we see Nigel get interrupted and a parody scene of the ending occurs. The fact still remains that there is nothing implying Flug was going to attack here and this entire line of logic is a massive jumping of sharks.

While it’s true that the characters within Villainous are self-aware and perceive themselves as cartoons, this doesn’t diminish the metafictional implications of the narrative structure. On the contrary, Black Hat’s awareness of his cartoon nature is exactly what enables his ability to operate on a higher, narrative-based level. He’s not just existing in “normal reality” — he’s leveraging his self-awareness to interfere with other fictional realities.

What happens in the scene isn’t just a parody or a “cutoff” gag. The sequence involves a clear digital breakdown of the multiversal transmission, accompanied by the removal of the show itself from the broadcasting network, as Flug’s warning is followed by immediate consequence. Whether or not this is shown as a full physical attack is beside the point — the show’s destruction represents a removal of narrative presence, which, in metafiction, is equivalent to destruction of existence.

Your dismissal of this as simply comedic or non-literal overlooks the tone Villainous consistently uses: humor layered over serious implications. Even if portrayed comedically, the underlying mechanics — multiversal broadcast, narrative intrusion, post-warning consequences — all point to deliberate, cosmologically significant action.

Thus, this isn’t “jumping the shark” — it’s interpreting the scene through the show’s own internal metafictional logic, which is crucial when assessing cosmology-based ratings in metafictional series.

Correct....... however using the logic of it being a 4th wall break that wouldn't make it "he destroyed the universe" it'd be "He forcibly ended the episode" which isn't a feat of destruction.

You're right in noting that fourth wall breaks typically don't equate to conventional destruction. However, in metafictional cosmologies, ending an episode or erasing a show is not a neutral action — it directly correlates with erasing the narrative layer of reality itself, which is the functional “universe” for these characters.

Villainous isn't just making a gag here — it deliberately integrates metafiction as part of its internal logic. The orientation videos establish a multiversal broadcast infrastructure, and the act of “cutting off” a show through that system implies more than just comedic timing — it’s an in-universe application of control over fictional existence.

So while it may look like “just ending the episode,” within the established cosmological framework, it's analogous to narrative erasure — a reality-level action for metafictional beings. In the same way that characters in Animaniacs rewriting the script or escaping the WB lot is a cosmological statement within their universe, Black Hat canceling a show through force implies authority over the structure of narrative reality itself.

The best you can probably get is another example of 4th wall breaking and Plot Manip, 2 abilities Black Hat already has

I think these statements are not enough, but I respect your decision

Note: I need to sleep. If you answer when I wake up, I will get back to you. I hope you change your mind. Good night.

 

[Da3ggman]

Idk if this would fly before, but since Villainous is cutting ties with Cartoon Network and WB as a whole, it’s doubtful that anything like this would be considered “canon” anymore due to copyright and legal limitations, at least with the 2-A thing.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

Idk if this would fly before, but since Villainous is cutting ties with Cartoon Network and WB as a whole, it’s doubtful that anything like this would be considered “canon” anymore due to copyright and legal limitations, at least with the 2-A thing.

I already have author approvals, it meets the canon conditions, I also stated in crt I would be grateful if you accept it.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

I'm not going to say much more since I already said most of how I feel, but that author statement doesn't prove anything. Just says he had fun talking to the crew and that he sent them drawings, that doesn't imply any sense of canon that just means he had fun lol

 

[ArthurBeyy]

I'm not going to say much more since I already said most of how I feel, but that author statement doesn't prove anything. Just says he had fun talking to the crew and that he sent them drawings, that doesn't imply any sense of canon that just means he had fun lol

You touched on a good point but but but
While it’s true that the author’s statement alone may not be hard confirmation of canonicity, the fact that he directly collaborated with the Villainous crew and contributed character art which was then officially featured implies more than just casual interaction. In cross-franchise media especially in animation creative input from the original creator being acknowledged and integrated into the final product is a strong indicator of intended canon or at least sanctioned continuity. If it were purely non-canon or “just for fun,” such contributions wouldn’t typically make it into the aired content

crt I don't care anymore I'm having fun you couldn't debunk

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

In cross-franchise media especially in animation creative input from the original creator being acknowledged and integrated into the final product is a strong indicator of intended canon or at least sanctioned continuity. If it were purely non-canon or “just for fun,” such contributions wouldn’t typically make it into the aired content

Not necessarily, no. It's pretty common for the creators of a work to at least have  some interaction when doing a crossover. Since, ya know, they need to be there to give the input for their own stuff. It's never stated to what extent he gave assistance to the Villanous crew and even if he was breathing down their necks this doesn't warent canon on its own right.

Again much of this is mainly guesswork and shark jumping to reach intended goals

 

[ArthurBeyy]

Not necessarily, no. It's pretty common for the creators of a work to at least have  some interaction when doing a crossover. Since, ya know, they need to be there to give the input for their own stuff. It's never stated to what extent he gave assistance to the Villanous crew and even if he was breathing down their necks this doesn't warent canon on its own right.

Again much of this is mainly guesswork and shark jumping to reach intended goals

It's true that creators often provide some input in crossover projects, but there’s a meaningful difference between basic permission and active creative contribution. In this case, Tom Warburton didn’t just give a green light — he engaged with the Villainous team, exchanged artwork, and directly acknowledged their portrayal of his characters. While this alone doesn't definitively confirm full canon, it does reflect a level of authorial endorsement that goes beyond standard licensing formalities.

Moreover, Villainous itself treats the crossover as a part of its internal continuity. The events are referenced across episodes, and the narrative implications (such as multiversal broadcasts and memory of prior interactions) are preserved. This indicates at least soft canon, which in crossover logic is commonly accepted unless directly contradicted by either side. So while cautious interpretation is fair, outright dismissal as “just shark jumping” overlooks the consistency and structure presented in the actual media

No wonder the answers are the samexd

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Moreover, Villainous itself treats the crossover as a part of its internal continuity. The events are referenced across episodes, and the narrative implications (such as multiversal broadcasts and memory of prior interactions) are preserved. This indicates at least soft canon, which in crossover logic is commonly accepted unless directly contradicted by either side. So while cautious interpretation is fair, outright dismissal as “just shark jumping” overlooks the consistency and structure presented in the actual media

I'm not going to comment on the other stuff because frankly I dont care, however this is the part I'm trying to steer you towards. The evidence you  were using was highly questionable and on it's own proved functionality nothing. Using stuff like crossover integrity and future references are far better arguments since they dont require large leaps of logic.

The same is said for the aforementioned "reality destruction". Use additional examples, directly show things that help your argument, that's how you prove a point! With what you have currently there's little grounds to work on, especially for mods who might have less knowledge on the series than me who's vote matter a lot more.

 

[Bobsican]

The OP isn't in English and thus I can't even read it. Aren't there rules prohibiting the use of languages besides English when it comes to this sort of stuff?

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

The OP isn't in English and thus I can't even read it. Aren't there rules prohibiting the use of languages besides English when it comes to this sort of stuff?

Noticed that when I posted my last comment, wasn't like that before (also said the post was edited 3 minutes before my last comment)

 

[Tank1418]

crt I don't care anymore I'm having fun you couldn't debunk

Just close the thread if you're no longer interested. Right now, you're wasting everyone's time who comes in to read.

 

[Tank1418]

I'm not going to comment on the other stuff because frankly I dont care, however this is the part I'm trying to steer you towards. The evidence you  were using was highly questionable and on it's own proved functionality nothing. Using stuff like crossover integrity and future references are far better arguments since they dont require large leaps of logic.

The same is said for the aforementioned "reality destruction". Use additional examples, directly show things that help your argument, that's how you prove a point! With what you have currently there's little grounds to work on, especially for mods who might have less knowledge on the series than me who's vote matter a lot more.

this guy is right.

 

[Firestorm808]

At this time, I lean against the interpretation of the changed broadcast meaning that entire realities were removed.

Feel free to discuss with other staff on the matter.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

Just close the thread if you're no longer interested. Right now, you're wasting everyone's time who comes in to read.

I said this for only one person, but no one has even debunked what I said.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

At this time, I lean against the interpretation of the changed broadcast meaning that entire realities were removed.

Feel free to discuss with other staff on the matter.

why are you against it? I gave you the necessary explanations and also the admins are important to me.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

Noticed that when I posted my last comment, wasn't like that before (also said the post was edited 3 minutes before my last comment)

Another irrelevant comment

 

[ArthurBeyy]

The OP isn't in English and thus I can't even read it. Aren't there rules prohibiting the use of languages besides English when it comes to this sort of stuff?

Most people in this crt obviously did not look at the arguments correctly, feats are conveyed directly in the video, there is no need for dialogues