Void Hunter 2.0 vs Upper Moon 4 (1-0-0)

[GodEarh206]

Ye Shunguang vs Hantengu
Rule:
• SBA was applied
• "White Haired Form" Xiaoguang and "Zohakuten" Hantengu was used, anything above 7-C was restricted (if necessary)
• Battle took in Amphoreus and at night
• Speed was Equalized

Xiaoguang: @Hizack123
The guy with multiple personalities:
Makima Solos (Incon):

 

[Sooshirohl]

shungus against another upper moon huh, she's really gonna run the whole gauntlet at this rate lol

following, will respond with a lengthier response in a bit but going off of zohakuten's profile i assume the whole "find the main hantengu body and kill it" condition isn't going to be a factor here right? shungus would probably have a pretty easy time finding the main hantengu body thanks to both her enhanced senses and extrasensory perception

 

[GodEarh206]

Bump

 

[MysticBrawler]

shungus against another upper moon huh, she's really gonna run the whole gauntlet at this rate lol

following, will respond with a lengthier response in a bit but going off of zohakuten's profile i assume the whole "find the main hantengu body and kill it" condition isn't going to be a factor here right? shungus would probably have a pretty easy time finding the main hantengu body thanks to both her enhanced senses and extrasensory perception

Is that really necessary here? Couldn't Ye Shunguang just permanently kill Zohakuten by using her Purification ability?

 

[Machmatej]

following, will respond with a lengthier response in a bit but going off of zohakuten's profile i assume the whole "find the main hantengu body and kill it" condition isn't going to be a factor here right? shungus would probably have a pretty easy time finding the main hantengu body thanks to both her enhanced senses and extrasensory perception

finding the main body is one thing, but she still has to deal with Zohakuten on her ass at all times since he's already fully formed in this case. Zohakuten is effectively immortal, since he can regenerate from essentially everything as long as the main body is alive. He can spam dozens of his giant wooden dragons at a time and spam dense AoE lightning attacks that would instantly paralyze her and leave her open to getting her skull crushed.

so how does she deal with Zohakuten?

Is that really necessary here? Couldn't Ye Shunguang just permanently kill Zohakuten by using her Purification ability?

how does purifying miasma kill Zohakuten? seems like an utterly useless ability here.

 

[MysticBrawler]

how does purifying miasma kill Zohakuten? seems like an utterly useless ability here.

By purifying his demon cells.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

against another upper moon huh, she's really gonna run the whole gauntlet at this rate lol

I feel like the Gyokko match didn't get a chance to be debated by major KnY supporters but that could be just my inch

 

[Machmatej]

By purifying his demon cells.

her profile just says it purifies miasma. is there a reason to believe it would purify blood or let alone individual cells?

 

[Machmatej]

I feel like the Gyokko match didn't get a chance to be debated by major KnY supporters but that could be just my inch

i gave the Gyokko match a quick read, and i don't think he should've lost that at all. but it is what it is

 

[Sooshirohl]

Is that really necessary here? Couldn't Ye Shunguang just permanently kill Zohakuten by using her Purification ability?

i don't think it'd really work like that, if yunkui summit's purification techniques were able to just completely destroy ethereals then maybe but otherwise i don't think purification alone would completely kill zohakuten

finding the main body is one thing, but she still has to deal with Zohakuten on her ass at all times since he's already fully formed in this case. Zohakuten is effectively immortal, since he can regenerate from essentially everything as long as the main body is alive. He can spam dozens of his giant wooden dragons at a time and spam dense AoE lightning attacks that would instantly paralyze her and leave her open to getting her skull crushed.

so how does she deal with Zohakuten?

it's late so i'll probably type out a lengthier response tomorrow but shunguang is range diffing zohakuten like, reaaaally badly. his range seems to cap out at a few dozen meters going off his profile, meanwhile shunguang can casually just attack from literal hundreds of meters in the sky, which is quite literally her primary method of fighting while in her white haired form. none of his attacks are going to matter purely off the range diff, and shunguang isn't getting close enough to him to even give him a chance of actually landing a hit on her

assuming finding and taking out the main body is a valid wincon here like in the actual series, then shungus can focus all her attention on that since none of zohakuten's attacks can actually reach her. and with the perception technique i don't think she should have too much trouble finding it. from there she just sends a bunch of swords directly towards it and then it's kind of just a done deal from there

 

[Machmatej]

it's late so i'll probably type out a lengthier response tomorrow but shunguang is range diffing zohakuten like, reaaaally badly. his range seems to cap out at a few dozen meters going off his profile, meanwhile shunguang can casually just attack from literal hundreds of meters in the sky, which is quite literally her primary method of fighting while in her white haired form. none of his attacks are going to matter purely off the range diff, and shunguang isn't getting close enough to him to even give him a chance of actually landing a hit on her

assuming finding and taking out the main body is a valid wincon here like in the actual series, then shungus can focus all her attention on that since none of zohakuten's attacks can actually reach her. and with the perception technique i don't think she should have too much trouble finding it. from there she just sends a bunch of swords directly towards it and then it's kind of just a done deal from there

but that's assuming that the main body is 100 meters in one direction, while Zohakuten is 100 meters in a completely different direction. Minitengu could be nestled up in a little wood cocoon next to Zohakuten, or just have Zohakuten stand in the way of him and Shunguang. either way, she has to deal with Zohakuten somehow.

and i don't understand how range diffing Hantengu is gonna be a win-con, because unless her attacks are laced with UV rays or some sort of regen-negging energy, then she can't actually harm Zohakuten or Minitengu in any way. and even if she could, Zohakuten could still use his wooden dragons as shields to survive any long-range barrage. also, if her attacks spawn 100 meters in the air, then it just makes them much easier to dodge, and it means she wouldn't actually be 100 meters away from Zohakuten when attacking him.

the only way Shunguang can pull a win here is if she survives to sunrise and restrains Minitengu in the sun.

 

[Machmatej]

if her attacks spawn 100 meters in the air, then it just makes them much easier to dodge

for example, imagine this:

Character A shoots Character B with a Mach 1 projectile from 100 meters away, and Character B moves 5 meters to dodge.

The formula for dodging a projectile is V = (Character Distance x Projectile Speed) / Projectile's Distance

Because Character B moves a whole 5 meters in the timeframe it takes the Mach 1 projectile to cross 100m, it would come out to (5 meters x 343 m/s) / 100m, which equals 17.15 m/s

In other words, Character B is a whole 20 times slower than the projectile he's dodging, but he still had no issue dodging it simply because it was fired from an absurd distance. And 5 meters is somewhat of a higher end estimate, because if the projectile is thin, then even moving like 1-2 meters would be enough to dodge, so Character B could be ridiculously slower than the projectile but would still dodge it.

it would be the exact same here, so unless those swords with a range of hundreds of meters have ridiculous AoE or are several blitz amps above Shunguang's own combat speed, then they would realistically never land a single hit.

 

[Sooshirohl]

but that's assuming that the main body is 100 meters in one direction, while Zohakuten is 100 meters in a completely different direction. Minitengu could be nestled up in a little wood cocoon next to Zohakuten, or just have Zohakuten stand in the way of him and Shunguang. either way, she has to deal with Zohakuten somehow

i was kind of just going off of the assumption that minitengu would be off somewhere else running around, like what happened in the original series. shunguang would have an easier time essentially just avoiding fighting zohakuten altogether and focusing all her attention on finding minitengu to end the fight that way

though i guess that would be assuming she has prior knowledge on the fact that killing minitengu would kill zohakuten. without that prior knowledge i don't know if she'd be able to figure it out in time before she gets worn down, and if zohakuten is actively protecting minitengu then she's kind of just stuck. spatial attacks would at least be able to do damage but she can't permanently keep zohakuten down without either stalling till sunrise or killing minitengu. and given how much the qingming sword drains her i don't think she's stalling zohakuten long enough to kill him via the sun. she could try to gamble and go for a massive AOE nuke but if she doesn't manage to completely kill both zohakuten and minitengu with it then she's basically screwed

in that case then yeah, zohakuten is probably stonewalling her. i think she just gets stamina diffed tbh

 

[Machmatej]

i was kind of just going off of the assumption that minitengu would be off somewhere else running around, like what happened in the original series. shunguang would have an easier time essentially just avoiding fighting zohakuten altogether and focusing all her attention on finding minitengu to end the fight that wa

well, what i described is basically exactly what happened in canon



Zohakuten wrapped Minitengu in his wood cocoon to protect him, then sent that wood cocoon in an entirely different direction in the forest (seemingly from underground) while fighting off Mitsuri. and even when Tanjiro and his squad tracked down the cocoon, Minitengu still managed to escape from underneath, with that cocoon fighting back with vine attacks while being turned into an actual demon tree.

the point is that Zohakuten is actively looking out for Minitengu, but couldn't properly protect him because he was distracted by Mitsuri. in a 1v1 scenario, that would almost never be the case because Zohakuten would always be close.

(also worth mentioning that Minitengu has Urami, a backup summon, to protect him even after he's caught)

though i guess that would be assuming she has prior knowledge on the fact that killing minitengu would kill zohakuten. without that prior knowledge i don't know if she'd be able to figure it out in time before she gets worn down, and if zohakuten is actively protecting minitengu then she's kind of just stuck. spatial attacks would at least be able to do damage but she can't permanently keep zohakuten down without either stalling till sunrise or killing minitengu. and given how much the qingming sword drains her i don't think she's stalling zohakuten long enough to kill him via the sun. she could try to gamble and go for a massive AOE nuke but if she doesn't manage to completely kill both zohakuten and minitengu with it then she's basically screwed

in that case then yeah, zohakuten is probably stonewalling her. i think she just gets stamina diffed tbh

that nuke probably isn't doing much if i'm being honest. but i agree that she most likely gets stamina-diffed before she figures out Hantengu's trick. at first glance, she would probably assume that Zohakuten is protecting Minitengu simply because he's weaker and not because he's his actual lifeline, so she would target Zohakuten. and by the time she'd figure it out, if she does in the first place, Minitengu could've gone to a completely different country.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Yeah, Qingming sword drawback is really what handicapped Shungus here outlasting wise, unless she can finally able to catch Minitengu, the memory draining will pretty much going to met the same fate as Yixuan sister

 

[Machmatej]

Zohakuten's power growth is also something that should be noted. Zohakuten can continuously make himself stronger and faster by draining power directly from the main body, and although he's restricted from reaching High 7-C, he would still be able to reach a one-shot difference in strength at one point

 

[Hizack123]

Yeah, Qingming sword drawback is really what handicapped Shungus here outlasting wise, unless she can finally able to catch Minitengu, the memory draining will pretty much going to met the same fate as Yixuan sister

Ehhhh that not is that bad anymore.

Anyway I will go with Ye Shunguang.

It's shouldn't take long at all.

 

[Machmatej]

Anyway I will go with Ye Shunguang.

It's shouldn't take long at all.

why exactly? i don't think we've established a valid win condition for her