VSBW Hax Tier List/Hax discussion

[Brogeefrong]

Reworking tiers atm
Based on this!
So with the vast amount of Hax that exist on this wiki, not all of them are equal, so lets make a tier list ey?
Rules
Here, we will be ranking the haxes on a tier list ranging from Low to Godly, with each tier having their own Low, Mid and High categories
Types and Aspects of Haxes will be ranked separately
Aspects will either be tiered by themselves or all together
All Hax will be ranked at the by baseline description on their pages (EE by default only erases ones body)
If they fall under specifics, such as Aspect 1 of Nonduality, one of the character examples of the Aspect will be used (Lucifer Morningstar's life and death Nonduality)
All Offensive and Non Passive Defensive Hax are assumed to be thought based
A Resistance/Negation will be counted along side the ability
All possible uses will be considered in a ranking
Varies will only be used if an ability varies far too much to decide on a tier
If there are any other unclear rules, I'll answer them and add them here

Tiers

Spoiler: High-Godly Tier

Large Size Type 11
-Gives at least Low 1-A via sheer size
Acausality Type 5
-Grants uninterability and immunity to outside changes
Nonexistent Physiology Type 2 All Aspects
-Grants everything that NEP Type 1 All Aspects has to a higher degree
Transduality Type 3
-Grants everything that Transduality Type 2 has to a higher degree
Transduality Type 2
-Grants Immunity to Hax in a Duality System at governs Reality
Large Size Type 10
-Gives atleast Low 1-C via sheer size
Nonexistent Physiology Type 1 All Aspects
-Incorporeality + Uninteractablity for all aspects of their existence (Aspects included are Mind, Soul, Concept (Type 1), Information (Type 2), History, Narrative, etc)
Nonexistent Physiology Type 3 All Aspects
-Similar to NEP Type 1 All Aspects, but to a slightly lower degree due to still somewhat being in existence
Plot Manipulation
-Grants the ability to manipulate the Narrative
Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1)
-Grants the ability to Create, Alter, and Destroy Independent Universal Concepts
Nonduality Type 2 Aspect 1
-Grants Immunity to Hax in a Specific Duality System
High Godly Regeneration (Concept Type 1)
- Can regenerate without Mind, Soul, Body, and an Independent Universal Concept
High Godly Regeneration (Information Type 2)
-Can regenerate without Mind, Soul, Body, and Information
(Must be above High Godly Regeneration (History) to be considered High Godly Tier)
High Godly Regeneration (History)
-Can regenerate without Mind, Soul, Body, and History

Spoiler: Mid-Godly Tier

Causality Manipulation
-Grants the ability to manipulate cause and effect
Information Manipulation (Type 2)
-Grants the ability to manipulate fundamental building blocks of reality
Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2)
-Grants the ability to Create, Alter, and Destroy Dependent Universal Concept
Subjective Reality
-Grants the ability to manipulate Reality and Unreality
Nonexistent Physiology Type 1/3 Aspect 5 (Plot/Narrative)
-Grants Incorporeality + Uninteractablity for their Narrative
Nonexistent Physiology Type 1/3 Aspect 2 (CM1)
-Grants Incorporeality + Uninteractablity for their Concept (Type 1)
Nonexistent Physiology Type 1/3 Aspect 4
-Grants Incorporeality + Uninteractablity for their Information (Type 2)
Nonexistent Physiology Type 1/3 Aspect 2 (CM2)
-Grants Incorporeality + Uninteractablity for their Concept (Type 2)
Nonexistent Physiology Type 1/3 Aspect 1
-Grants Incorporeality + Uninteractablity for their Mind
Nonexistent Physiology Type 1/3 Aspect 3
-Grants Incorporeality + Uninteractablity for their Soul
Nonexistent Physiology Type 1/3 Aspect 5 (History)
-Grants Incorporeality + Uninteractablity for their History
Acausality Type 3
-Able to survive the destruction of one in another Universe or Time Period and act in place
Acausality Type 4
-Grants immunity to normal Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Precognition that looks into the future, etc
Mid-Godly Regeneration
-Can regenerate without the Mind, Soul, and Body

Spoiler: Low-Godly Tier

Probability Manipulation
-Grants the ability to alter the probability
Incorperability
-Grants a Uninteractable Physical Form
Low Godly Regeneration
-Can regenerate without any physical parts of ones existence
Void Manipulation
-Can Manipulate Nonexistence
(Must be above Existence Erasure to be considered Low Godly)
Existence Erasure
-Can Erase Existence

Spoiler: High Tier

Transmutation, Antimatter Manipulation, Attack Reflection, High Regeneration

Spoiler: Mid-High Tier

Mid-High Regeneration

Spoiler: Low-High Tier

Chi Manipulation, Low-High Regeneration

Spoiler: High-Mid Tier

Acausality Type 1, Electritcy Manipulation, Earth Manipulation, Metal Manipulation, Ice Manipulation, Magma Manipulation, Water Manipulation, Magnetism manipulation, Sand Manipulation, Plant Manipulation, Fungus Manipulation, Air Manipulation, High-Mid Regeneration

Spoiler: Mid Tier

Mid Regeneration

Spoiler: Low-Mid Tier

Low-Mid Regeneration, Attacking Internal Structure Durability Negation

Spoiler: High-Low Tier

High-Low Regeneration

Spoiler: Mid-Low Tier

Mid-Low Regeneration

Spoiler: Low Tier

Adaption, Low Regeneration

Spoiler: Varies

Reactive Evolution (Low, Up to High Godly)
-Able to develop New Powers, Abilities, Resistances, and Statistics
Accelerated Development (Low, Up to High Godly)
-Accelerates the growth rate of abilities and statistics
Non-Physical Interaction (Low, Up to High Godly)
-Can interact with Non-Physical Aspects
Power Nullification (Low, Up to High Godly)
-Can Nullify Powers and Abilities

 

[Brogeefrong]

What would be the baselines for each tier?

 

[Brogeefrong]

im gonna put each regen type in their respective tier

 

[Brogeefrong]

Where would stuff like Concept Type 1/Info Type 2 Go?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Where would stuff like Concept Type 1/Info Type 2 Go?

God tier i guess, probally mid.

 

[Brogeefrong]

God tier i guess, probally mid.

Above or below Mid Godly Regen?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Above

 

[Brogeefrong]

Also gotta decide on any Non physical manipulation going into either High or Low Godly tier

 

[Fezzih_007]

I think all elemental manipulation powers could be in Mid or High mid tier, because they usually can Duraneg.

If i made a list would be...

Air<Fungus<Plant<Sand<Magnestism<Water<Magna<Ice=Fire<Metal<Earth<Electricity

 

[Brogeefrong]

Yeah they'd prolly be High-Mid above the regen

 

[Brogeefrong]

Placing baseline dura neg (Attacking internal structures) at Low Mid prolly below the regen

 

[Brogeefrong]

where should NEP aspects and types go? I'm assuming they are at least Low Godly tier

 

[Fezzih_007]

where should NEP aspects and types go? I'm assuming they are at least Low Godly tier

You can put in the Low Godly, but Type 3 is probally the better one.

 

[Robo432343]

ayo what abt acausality type 5

 

[Brogeefrong]

ayo what abt acausality type 5

would prolly also go in high godly tier, above regen, below nonduality

 

[Brogeefrong]

You can put in the Low Godly, but Type 3 is probally the better one.

isnt type 2 the best? Either Type 1/3 aspect 5 would be lowest somewhere in low god tier

 

[Fezzih_007]

Where you think we should put Chi Manipulation? Because they do have various uses.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Where you think we should put Chi Manipulation? Because they do have various uses.

Ill prolly include all the possible uses for stuff like that

 

[Brogeefrong]

Basing it on stuff like DB it would probably be in Low High

 

[Brogeefrong]

Where would type 3 and 4 acausality go, 3 might be High Godly while 4 would be Mid Godly

 

[Fezzih_007]

1 and 2 should be mid to low-mid, since is not that particullary usefull in most cases.
3 is more powerfull, and you need specifics abilities to deal It, so It should be High Godly, yeah.
4 is probally Low Godly or Mid Godly.
5 is Mid tier.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Type 5 is High Godly and id put 1 and 2 somewhere in High Mid to Low High

 

[Fezzih_007]

Type 5 is High Godly and id put 1 and 2 somewhere in High Mid to Low High

Sure okay.

 

[Sparx_gaming]

Large size type 11 probably at mid or high god

 

[Brogeefrong]

Large size type 11 probably at mid or high god

That would be a little weird to evaluate on the tierlist cause that its basically Tier 1-A tier via sheer size

 

[Sparx_gaming]

Durability negation should be higher then high regeneration

 

[Sparx_gaming]

Absolute zero at mid - high tier looks fine

 

[Sparx_gaming]

That would be a little weird to evaluate on the tierlist cause that its basically Tier 1-A tier via sheer size

Btw is this tiering in thier base level without any context or with context

 

[Sparx_gaming]

Btw is this tiering in thier base level without any context or with context

How just how broken they are

 

[Sparx_gaming]

Afterimage Creation on low tier

 

[Fezzih_007]

That would be a little weird to evaluate on the tierlist cause that its basically Tier 1-A tier via sheer size

Is probally top 2 In High Godly, because the character would need range to affect that.

 

[Sparx_gaming]

Large size
Type 0 : low tier
Type 1 : mid low
Type 2 : high low
Type 3 : low mid
Type 4 : mid
Type 8 : high mid
Type 9 : low high
Type 10 : mid godly
Type 11 : high godly

 

[Sparx_gaming]

Superhuman physical characteristics : low tier

 

[Sparx_gaming]

Accelerated development : mid

 

[Sparx_gaming]

Acrobatics : low tier
Adaption : low godly
Additional limbs : low tier
Alternate future display : high tier
Anti matter Manipulation : high
Astral projection : low mid
Attack reflection : low godly

 

[Brogeefrong]

Btw is this tiering in thier base level without any context or with context

I did list some ground rules but its mostly in vacuum

 

[Brogeefrong]

Large size
Type 0 : low tier
Type 1 : mid low
Type 2 : high low
Type 3 : low mid
Type 4 : mid

Type 3 and 4 would at most be like High Low while others would be Low to Mid Low

Type 8 : high mid
Type 9 : low high

8 and 9 would be Low Godly

Type 10 : mid godly
Type 11 : high godly

type 10 would prolly be bottom High Godly

 

[Brogeefrong]

Adaption : low godly
Alternate future display : high tier
Attack reflection : low godly

Reflection is prolly fine somewhere in high, Adaption should be somewhere in Low, and Alt Future Display could reach Low Godly

 

[Brogeefrong]

Accelerated development : mid

Ad has alot of types that ill separately rank

 

[Brogeefrong]

Should Should Type 1 Nonduality aspect 1 and 2 be Mid Godly?