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Today, regular show is back with its new series after years of hiatus, and it's a feast for many including WHOOOOOOO

There was a small detail that caught my eye while browsing the profiles:

Pops's profile: Stated to be "The Chosen One" and "The Universe's Ultimate Creation",as such, he should be far faster than Baby Ducks and The God of Basketball. Comparable to Anti-Pops, whose blast empowered by negative energy could cover the whole universe in a matter of seconds.


Yes, it really is, the chosen one and the two sides of the same coin with the anti pops. The universe created anti pops to balance itself

As indicated in benson's profile, his ship has an immeasurable speed

Benson's profile:Immeasurable with his Thrust SSC (His Thrust SSC is capable of moving so fast that it can travel several months into the future or the past)​


Based on this, the titan form of pops and anti pops should be upgraded to immeasurable speed.

Agree: @Aolphl @Arceus0x @Apollonir.Scale @IDK3465 @CastoriceTheFifth @Psychomaster35 @Lort15
Disagree: @MrTayman616
 
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The ship is blatantly immeasurable, and Pops/Anti-Pops is blatantly the peak of the verse, so f*ck it, I agree
 
So why exactly would they scale to the ship? (I'm assuming I'm missing context here tbh)
 
It was done by reaching infinite speed(or just so high rather than actual infinity), so it doesn't apply for immeasurable. This is basically the same thing we apply for verses that move backwards in time via FTL. Just give them where they scale for speed rating from that and add Time Travel for hax.

So i just disagree. (Also considering the anti-feats for the characters :d)
If you think so, you need to create a crt about it because this crt was made and they decided that the ship is immeasurable, so it is not valid

 
If you think so, you need to create a crt about it because this crt was made and they decided that the ship is immeasurable, so it is not valid
I don't think we go with "It was accepted in another thread, so it'll be accepted as an absolute true regardless of what appears later unless someone makes another thread about it."

Sure, if the staff members accepts it to be usable regardless, i'm fine with it as i don't wanna make a thread about it :d
 
I don't think we go with "It was accepted in another thread, so it'll be accepted as an absolute true regardless of what appears later."
I definitely didn't claim this, but the rules are generally like this, if you don't agree with something in the profile, you will have to create a crt, moreover, this crt is just about the pops being a scale to the ship. Therefore, you can express your opinion on this subject and create a crt for the ship later.
 
I definitely didn't claim this, but the rules are generally like this, if you don't agree with something in the profile, you will have to create a crt, moreover, this crt is just about the pops being a scale to the ship. Therefore, you can express your opinion on this subject and create a crt for the ship later.
Reaching that speed makes you travel in time. Pops and Anti-Pops has no feat like that and if anything, they're full of anti feats as even the cast members can see them.

This just appears to be one of those moments where they just add something to an episode solely for that episode. It's full of inconsistency otherwise.
By the way, both characters don't have anti-feat's, at least the titan forms, because that's what matters
No? Reaching that speed makes them travel in time, which neither is shown to do. Mordecai and Rigby, after using The "Power" to come back to the future, could react to Titan Anti Pops's attack. Others can also perceive him while he's fighting.

They also reached to them and flew between them before their universe resetting fist could happen in their titan form with their ship.

So, not only lack of feat for reaching speed that makes you travel in time like that, but inconsistencies based on other situations.

So i still disagree.
 
Reaching that speed makes you travel in time. Pops and Anti-Pops has no feat like that and if anything, they're full of anti feats as even the cast members can see them.

This just appears to be one of those moments where they just add something to an episode solely for that episode. It's full of inconsistency otherwise.

No? Reaching that speed makes them travel in time, which neither is shown to do. Mordecai and Rigby, after using The "Power" to come back to the future, could react to Titan Anti Pops's attack. Others can also perceive him while he's fighting.

They also reached to them and flew between them before their universe resetting fist could happen in their titan form with their ship.

So, not only lack of feat for reaching speed that makes you travel in time like that, but inconsistencies based on other situations.

So i still disagree.
No, only their combat and react speed scales to this, no one has said that their movement speed is that much, which is the situation we often encounter in this fiction, your movement speed does not have to be around that because you have infitiny or immeasurable speed. On the other hand, Mordecai and Rigby's reaction to them is considered an outlier grab, as they also survived the anti pops' attack, so we need to upgrade them to low 2-c, but no, it's just outlier. (By the way, there is no doubt that they did this because of their success in the series, but when they went into space, they were physically trained, so they became stronger, so I wouldn't consider them outliers based on their previous abilities, but all their interactions with anti pops are outlier.)
 
No, only their combat and react speed scales to this, no one has said that their movement speed is that much, which is the situation we often encounter in this setup, your movement speed does not have to be around that because you have infitiny or immeasurable speed. On the other hand, Mordecai and Rigby's reaction to them is considered an outlier grab, as they also survived the anti pops' attack, so we need to upgrade them to low 2-c, but no, it's just outlier. (By the way, there is no doubt that they did this because of their success in the series, but when they went into space, they were physically trained, so they became stronger, so I wouldn't consider them outliers based on their previous abilities, but all their interactions with anti pops are outlier.)
How is it an outlier when every character perceives them? Also, the feat of flying between them is SO obvious they're not fighting at infinite speed or anything..

Also, wdym "they survived his attack, so we give them low 2-c? Of course not, it's outlier." His attack wasn't even AP related but erasure, and they only survived because they hid behind "The Power" to survive. There is no outlier here.

Why would it only apply for Combat and Reaction? "They're the ultimate being" if this is the argument, it'd apply for every stat, like how it is in the profile.

Pops was able to hug him in base form before Titan Anti Pops could finish his attack which he had started before Pops movement. So it's not "they don't have anti feat in Titan form".

They have so many anti feats and inconsistencies for both forms. They absolutely doesn't scale to such speed.
 
How is it an outlier when every character perceives them? Also, the feat of flying between them is SO obvious they're not fighting at infinite speed or anything..
Again, it is completely outlier that they perceive them because these characters are normally listed as mftl+ in the profiles, and I told you before, they trained while the other characters were in space, so the anti-feat arguments in other seasons would not be valid. It's just like four arms reacting to alien x and throwing blitz, but both are outlier situations.
Also, wdym "they survived his attack, so we give them low 2-c? Of course not, it's outlier
It's very nice, so if this success is outlier, but why isn't it outlier when they perceive them? Either accept both or reject them.
His attack wasn't even AP related but erasure, and they only survived because they hid behind "The Power" to survive. There is no outlier here.
No, this was about the ap because we saw that the force was not erased, but that it was broken into pieces and destroyed, so the deletion here is proportional to the ap and after the power was destroyed, mordecai and rigby withstood this attack.
Pops was able to hug him in base form before Titan Anti Pops could finish his attack which he had started before Pops movement. So it's not "they don't have anti feat in Titan form".
These pops are not pre power pops, they are pops with powers, and there is a logical error here, if the array gives us a very clear distinction between the titan form and the base form and the pops move according to the titan form, we automatically call it outlier anyway. Otherwise, scale the pops accordingly because they have power in the pre titan pops

The series stated that pops are the reason for the existence of the universe and that the whole universe is a battlefield for them, so of course, we only scale combat and reaction speed, not movement speed.
 
Why would it only apply for Combat and Reaction? "They're the ultimate being" if this is the argument, it'd apply for every stat, like how it is in the profile.

The series stated that pops are the reason for the existence of the universe and that the whole universe is a battlefield for them, so of course, we only scale combat and reaction speed, not movement speed.
 
Again, it is completely outlier that they perceive them because these characters are normally listed as mftl+ in the profiles, and I told you before, they trained while the other characters were in space, so the anti-feat arguments in other seasons would not be valid. It's just like four arms reacting to alien x and throwing blitz, but both are outlier situations.
Huh? They trained in space = They can react to anything and it wouldn't be anti feat?
It's very nice, so if this success is outlier, but why isn't it outlier when they perceive them? Either accept both or reject them.
Huh? One has no reason, the other has canonical reason.

Mordecai and Rigby doesn't scale, it's not an outlier either. They survived thanks to "The Power"'s ability. This doesn't make it outlier.

Pops and Anti-Pops not only lack feats, lack time travel(which happens when you're at that speed), can still be perceived by other characters, literally Mordecai and Rigby flew to them while they were going for their universe resetting fist clash.
These pops are not pre power pops, they are pops with powers, and there is a logical error here, if the array gives us a very clear distinction between the titan form and the base form and the pops move according to the titan form, we automatically call it outlier anyway. Otherwise, scale the pops accordingly because they have power in the pre titan pops
Huh? This is literally Pops attack-hugging Titan Anti-Pops in the last attack. You claimed for their "Titan Forms", so my answer was to that.
The series stated that pops are the reason for the existence of the universe and that the whole universe is a battlefield for them, so of course, we only scale combat and reaction speed, not movement speed.
Huh? This is not a reasoning at all. So let's not give him any movement speed at all since the universe is a battlefield for him. He can only have combat and reaction speed based on this.

Even if not, this isn't an usable argument at all. This also doesn't change the description in the profiles and OP.

"Stated to be "The Chosen One" and "The Universe's Ultimate Creation",as such, he should be far faster than Baby Ducks and The God of Basketball."

Anyway, That's all from me. It's extremely clear and i might just create a thread anyway if this somehow passes despite literally everything.
 
Huh? They trained in space = They can react to anything and it wouldn't be anti feat
This puts their current success on top of their success in the previous season, so you can't make an anti-feat out of the current season, I'm talking about this, and if we have seen that it is like this, yes, it has happened, so there is no point in being surprised. Lol
Huh? One has no reason, the other has canonical reason.

Mordecai and Rigby doesn't scale, it's not an outlier either. They survived thanks to "The Power"'s ability. This doesn't make it outlier.

Pops and Anti-Pops not only lack feats, lack time travel(which happens when you're at that speed), can still be perceived by other characters, literally Mordecai and Rigby flew to them while they were going for their universe resetting fist clash.
What do you mean, they have no justification, so on what basis do you say the connection between the two examples?
Pops and Anti-Pops not only lack feats, lack time travel(which happens when you're at that speed), can still be perceived by other characters, literally Mordecai and Rigby flew to them while they were going for their universe resetting fist clash.
I think I need to repeat it, but movement speed doesn't have to be a scale to combat speed, please stop saying this now.
Huh? This is not a reasoning at all. So let's not give him any movement speed at all since the universe is a battlefield for him. He can only have combat and reaction speed based on this.
Proves that you will give headcanon instead of talking. It's obvious that it's a battlefield, the most reasonable situation here is just to scale the speed according to your combat.
 
This puts their current success on top of their success in the previous season, so you can't make an anti-feat out of the current season, I'm talking about this, and if we have seen that it is like this, yes, it has happened, so there is no point in being surprised. Lol

What do you mean, they have no justification, so on what basis do you say the connection between the two examples?

I think I need to repeat it, but movement speed doesn't have to be a scale to combat speed, please stop saying this now.

Proves that you will give headcanon instead of talking. It's obvious that it's a battlefield, the most reasonable situation here is just to scale the speed according to your combat.
A misunderstanding occurred regarding this topic two years ago:

1: There is no rule stating that every character's movement speed must scale to their combat and reaction speed. For 'Pops,' the universe is described as a battlefield, so it is obvious that they possess combat and reaction speed.

2: If the series introduces two characters as god tier, using anti-feats such as other characters perceiving them to downscale them would be incorrect, as this is clearly an outlier situation. By that logic, we would have to scale those characters based on their power as well, which is completely nonsensical. Furthermore, at worst, this has nothing to do with the god tier characters; it only upgrades the other characters. Whether it is an outlier or an acceptable feat should be debated based on those other characters. This is specified on the Outlier page: just because Captain America damages Galactus, Galactus's scale doesn't drop; instead, it is debated whether Captain America's specific feat is an outlier or not."
 
It was done by reaching infinite speed(or just so high rather than actual infinity), so it doesn't apply for immeasurable.
Technically Immeasurable  is infinite speed, it's just that it's a dimensional level above regular infinite speed.

By the way, I agree with the proposals here. I'm pretty sure we have other feats for the characters being Immeasurable in speed from blogs I've read, it's just that they have yet to be brought up, but that's for another time.
 
By the way, I agree with the proposals here. I'm pretty sure we have other feats for the characters being Immeasurable in speed from blogs I've read, it's just that they have yet to be brought up, but that's for another time.
Maybe in the future 👀
 
I don't know how this is even an anti-feat, and even that this ship was have Immeasurable speed if I remember correctly, I will post it here when I found
I'm pretty sure we have other feats for the characters being Immeasurable in speed from blogs I've read, it's just that they have yet to be brought up, but that's for another time.
Actually we have, I will post here when I'm free
 
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