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Why are they scaling to the ship?
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That's not good enough evidence to scale them to a ship.
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Why actually? Like they are literally numero uno in the verse and they already scaling other characters in terms of speed, why wouldn't they scale to immeasurable speed while they scaling to Mftl+ speed?
Btw, there's some examples in the wiki where most powerful characters scaling to other characters' speed in their verse. I'm not trying to make whataboutism, I'm just confused
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Because it's a ship. That's like saying if someone is stated to be the strongest being on the planet, they should scale to nuclear bombs.
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I forgot to add the scales to the ship itself and we have extra success, the purple lines are timelines (0:24) (When the ship falls inside the purple line, it finds itself in the past tense) (0:55) and timenado can swallow timelines, it has erased the 22nd century. (0:38) The ship can fly through the timeline at the same speed as the timenado and reacts to it. (2:12)
Pops react to timenado here (1:42) moreover, pops and anti pops are relative to the ship, as seen in this scene (0:10)
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I think some of your scans might be messed up, because I don't see Pops reacting to Timnado, or Pops and Anti-Pops being relevant to the ship.
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Sorry, it's my fault, I misplaced the scenes in the wrong messages, I edited the scenes, can you look again?
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The Timenado the characters reacted to doesn't seem to be on the same scale as the one devouring the timeline. Likewise, it's clear the ship is both capable of travelling through time, and travelling normally, and its speed would be different based on that.
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In this scene (0:25) the ships are clearly moving at the same speed as the timenado pulls the timelines towards itself and swallows them, flying past them just as the wiping and swallowing process begins, the ships are definitely more than time traveling, the speed of movement needs to be scaled according to the timenado, and this ship is relative to the pops and anti pops.
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That’s not what I’m talking about.
The ships are clearly not travelling through time, nor are they moving at immeasurable speeds 24/7. We can tell this from how they move while they are still within the universe.
Likewise, the smaller Timenado obviously was not devouring the timeline as it moved, and it was not on the same scale as the larger Timenado we later see consuming the timeline.
So the characters reacting to the smaller Timenado should not be treated as an immeasurable speed feat.
The same applies to Pops and Anti-Pops moving relative to the ship while it was still inside the universe.
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Okay, I agree with the little timenado issue, but in the scene I gave you earlier, ships can travel in time, for example, rigby went to the past time by passing through the timeline using the ship, I think what you are saying is that ships alone travel in time without a line, but there is no need for that because they already fly through time and scale according to its speed and fly at the same speed as the timenado which swallows and erases time, flight movement speed is to scale according to the timenado and likewise pops and anti pops are the scale according to the movement and flight speed of this ship. That's why combat and react speeds naturally scale according to timenado.
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The ships aren't always moving at Immeasurable Speed, so scaling to them while they are flying around INSIDE the universe isn't Immeasurable.
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If the ships are moving relative to the Timenado, then they would naturally have to scale to immeasurable speed during that interaction. If the Timenado were completely stationary and the ships simply passed by it normally, then I would agree that this would not automatically grant immeasurable speed. But that is not the situation being shown here.
A character or object does not need to constantly be evaluated through travel speed alone in order to qualify for immeasurable speed. What matters is whether they can move, react, or maneuver in relation to a temporal phenomenon at that specific moment. In other words, they do not need to constantly travel through time; they only need to demonstrate that level of movement during the feat itself.
The same logic applies to the Timenado. Since it was actively erasing or affecting the timeline during the scene, the ships moving relative to it would need to function on the same temporal level in order to react, maneuver, or keep pace with it. So the point here is not continuous movement speed, but the flight speed and reaction speed being shown in that moment.
However, the important thing here is which speed categories we are talking about. The ships may not constantly display travel speed, but that does not prove that their flight speed and reaction speed are not consistently immeasurable.
Therefore, if the ships are able to move relative to the Timenado while it is actively affecting or erasing the timeline, then there is no reason Pops should not scale to the ships in terms of reaction and movement speed during that event, since they are all interacting relative to the same phenomenon from multiple directions.
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In other words, the ship's flight and reaction speed is constantly immeasurable, there is no evidence to the contrary
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I disagree. That's the same as assuming a character is unable to walk at normal speeds because they can walk through time.
Maybe another staff member will have a different opinion.
Maybe another staff member will have a different opinion.
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There are types of speeds, why should each speed category be same for it, moreover, the two of us have something in common, you argue that the ship is immeasurable, but it is not 24/7, it maybe in travel but it is obvious that it is like that in terms of react and flight, the scenes show this. Anyway
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Quick question, what do you pointing with saying "Inside the Universe"
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I mean, we treat universes as timelines. So if you are flying a ship, outside of a timeline, you are flying it outside of the universe.
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The ship went relative when it was out of the universe with timenado, but anyway
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I'm in agreement with Spaceman, those ships clearly don't scale.
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I gave the scenes as to why the ship is relative to the timenado and the pops are relative to these ships in the final battle
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The ship was created by the universe itself. Also, haven't you seen my new arguments
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They are asking what it would be like if the park crew used the fists of justice or the death kwon do for pops before that scene. These are not characters, but weapons and devices; however, pops' master states that pops has no need for such trivial things. After that, by saying 'everything that exists (0:30-1:15) he involves literally everything that exists, not just the characters. Therefore, in this case, pops and anti pops scale to the ships and the timenado in every aspect. I already explained above why the ships and the timenado are immeasurable at least the timenado is definitively so. So, do you accept it now?
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You're just repeating the same argument.
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the thread has 2 disagreements, had for some time already, it should be considered rejected
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How is the same argument? Your argument was that only the characters should be the scale, not the weapons and stuff, but I didn't respond to it at the time, I now presented the argument against that claim, so no, it's not the same
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Everything existing for their battle has nothing to do with them scaling to a ship's travelling speed.
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1:Never said that the ship's travel speed should be a scale, I'm just talking about combat and reaction speed
2:You didn't respond to the timenado issue, timenado consumes timelines at its pure speed and the pops teacher includes weapons and devices when he says everything that exists, both the parking teams give examples through the devices and the pops teacher says everything that exists.
And ships that react to timenado etc all these are not travel speed, ships and timenado reacts and combat speed immeasurable. Also has to be pops and anti pops scale
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That's not really about their "battle" actually, that's about they are being absolute power force of the verse, like still I don't understand why how this is preventing they can't scale to ship's travel speed and peak Timenado movement speed
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I'm not getting into this again; this CRT has already been rejected.
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