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Weiss in this key can withstand Low 7-B level attacks with her Aura and barriers
When I said 'things are being unacknowledged for Weiss', this is the kind of thing i meant
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Weiss Schnee vs Katsuki Bakugo (U.A. Sports Festival Final Event, but it's an 8-A tournament: Round 1) (1-9-0) (Grace over)
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When I said 'things are being unacknowledged for Weiss', this is the kind of thing i meant
Thunderman101
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thats not on her profile, is it like a stats multipler or
Thunderman101
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Thunderman101
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wait wasnt his first howitzer calced at city block level
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Its not no, its just the level of damage her Aura can withstand without breaking, the RWBY profiles are just in such a bad state rn because they were downgraded without actually rescaling them properly that stuff like this was overlooked. In this key, Weiss' Aura and barriers are capable of withstanding hits from Maiden level characters without breaking.
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More like a health bar
Varies between higher and far higher or x amount its shown tanking at maximum
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then if shes low 7-b she shouldnt be in this tournament... either that or you should use a 8-a key
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Dale actually agreed with me to make Aura have a Varies rating as it does act like a health bar in a video game that lets them survive attacks that normally would've killed them from stronger characters
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She isnt Low 7-B physically, her Aura can just take that kind of damage. Its not a set durability, it works more akin to a health bar, with it being able to withstand a set amount of damage before it goes down
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oh ok. but otherwise my still vote goes to bakugo cause he can just spamr ranged
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Like I said, i will respond to this in a bit, there is a lot going unacknowledged here
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Bakugo once again has my vote
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Weiss in this key can straight up fly using the Queen Lancer, or just making Nevermore wings on her back. She can also just lock Bakugo in place with her Gravity glyphs so he cant move.
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Weiss actually has better mobility here, and she doesnt need to land cuts on him to hurt him, she can just gesture in his general direction and spawn Glyphs on or around him, or teleport her offensive summons to him, or amp her speed with her Time Dilation
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Which she is entirely able to do given she can spawn them anywhere. And if he destroys it, she just spawns another. She has no issue doing that.
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True.
Her aura also is permanently getting chipped down anytime she attacks, summons or does anything. She can endure Low 7-B, but that’s cause Aura is a forcefield with a set amount it can take. 8-A attacks take it down, and 8-A attacks 3x stronger than her are going to be taking it down way faster. Aura is not infinite and can notoriously be knocked completely out with big enough attacks or not feel 10 minutes into a fight.
Bakugo just has to keep pressuring, which is always doing since this key has Danmaku and higher AoE + Gauntlet explosions
Then he explodes that one too and this continues until Weiss runs out of Aura since she’s the one on a timer.
The moment she sees it doesn’t work or that Bakugo can easily just blast away her Glyphs from any distance in the ring, she’s going to swap things up. Her summons aren’t strong enough to threaten him without getting blasted into smithereens and Bakugo’s explosions are big enough to cover the ENTIRE arena without damaging himself in this key.
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While true, Weiss has equipment that can restore it to full, the Energy Canisters and Restoration Potions she carries can return her Aura and physical condition back to peak instantly, as well as the Revive Ring doing so automatically when she's near death. She has tons of ways to keep herself in the fight this way, so Aura running out is not an issue for her in this key.
See my previous response. Also Weiss can just lock him in restraint Glyphs that he cant reach with his hands, like the ones she put the Arma Gigas in, or just put an Ice Glyph on his back and freeze him internally.
Also im working on a response to your earlier post, will post it in a bit.
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Bakugo FRA again
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You might want to hold off on that FRA, im currently debunking the arguments for Bakugo
ATM no one has brought up a way for Bakugo to get past Weiss' near infinite aura supply via her equipment
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Weekly's debating will fill this matchup with 4 pages at least
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Then he keeps blasting her even then, it’s irrelevant how many times she refreshes it. And is that “optional equipment” even allowed considering she never uses Aura regaining items in important fights like against Cinder or Ace Ops? He has superior stamina by a mile and can keep this going for hours, and even then all he has to do is get her out of bounds anyway. Big enough explosions will completely ruin any counter attacks she can muster.
Even if she had infinite aura (she doesn’t and has never once used any aura regaining items in any important battles where they would be useful), he just has to force her back. She doesn’t get stronger as the fight goes on, he does and he has a counter to every option she has that works with a thought.
Explosions that can be dozens of meters big will destroy any Glyphs she summons, it’s not going to work. Ice glyphs don’t freeze immediately and he’s way too mobile for her to catch him. He just blast constantly around and destroys any attempt to stop him with gravity glyphs while also blasting back at her to force her out of the ring. If she devotes energy to one thing, Bakugo is going to instantly counter with explosions that can attack and defend.
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Weekly, I’m not about to spend 40 pages of you responding to stuff I posted a while ago. Just address my current arguments.
Also, Weiss is IN CHARACTER in a TOURNAMENT here, not bloodlusted trying to kill someone. So no, she’s not going to internally freeze him (which wouldn’t work anyway since he’s constantly moving and she can’t hold him) or try to kill him, same way Bakugo isn’t.
They can win by knockout or ring out. I’d suggest reading the rules of the tournament.
Also, Weiss is IN CHARACTER in a TOURNAMENT here, not bloodlusted trying to kill someone. So no, she’s not going to internally freeze him (which wouldn’t work anyway since he’s constantly moving and she can’t hold him) or try to kill him, same way Bakugo isn’t.
They can win by knockout or ring out. I’d suggest reading the rules of the tournament.
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u gotta beat our round 8 thread where its just 4 pages of possible wincons for both sides.
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Why would it not be allowed? Its equipment she canonically has and uses. Once i revise the profile it will be moved to standard equipment.
This key of Weiss can go for days and can refresh her stamina and health on top of that through her equipment
You'd have to make a CRT to get that stuff removed then if you dont agree with her having access to it.
He cant blow it up if he cant point his hands at it.
They...do freeze immediately. Even in the early seasons they froze immediately. And Weiss is the more mobile one here given her ability to outright fly around.
The things i listed arent ways to kill him, she's used these on people before without killing them.
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I'm voting Weiss for Weekly's reasons
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Show me her using it in main canon and not secondary material. Also she doesn’t have infinite amounts, how’s about you make a CRT to show how many of each item she can carry? And how does that matter when he can knock her out of bounds way easier than she can?
Weiss has NEVER been able to fight in a single confrontation for days. Aura runs out in less than 30 minutes of fighting for MAIDENS let alone Weiss. This is completely false.
Just gonna ignore how Bakugo can get stronger than he already is I suppose, cool.
Any attempt to Freeze Bakugo explodes and show me her internally freezing people immediately. And Bakugo is more mobile, are you kidding? He’s the one flying around, Weiss stays on the ground and uses her rapier as a wand more than a pointy stick while her summons do work. Their mobility is at best via her summons the same, and Bakugo has fought people that can truly fly before and stomped them.
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Trying to claim Weiss is lasting even more than 5 minutes of getting pummeled by explosions the size of the ring from someone 3x stronger than her who is only getting tougher is crazy. Her summons are getting destroyed and her best bet, glyphs, can be broke as well by Bakugo just releasing an explosion on top of himself at no cost or severe damage
Also, what is Weiss’s response to Stun Grenade making her completely blind and leaving her open to getting blasted in the face out of the ring? She literally has no where to go and has no idea what Bakugo is gonna do next, she’ll be spending so much time on summons and attempting to disrupt his flying that she will not see any of his counter attacks coming.
Even if she did have infinite stamina and could fight for days, all Bakugo has to do is Stun Grenade burn her eyes and knock her out of the ring while blasting her with an explosion bigger than the arena itself so she can’t even make glyphs or summons to help herself. 3x AP diff is beating her ass here while her only options are trying to freeze or gravity pull him, which he can negate by destroying the glyphs
Also, what is Weiss’s response to Stun Grenade making her completely blind and leaving her open to getting blasted in the face out of the ring? She literally has no where to go and has no idea what Bakugo is gonna do next, she’ll be spending so much time on summons and attempting to disrupt his flying that she will not see any of his counter attacks coming.
Even if she did have infinite stamina and could fight for days, all Bakugo has to do is Stun Grenade burn her eyes and knock her out of the ring while blasting her with an explosion bigger than the arena itself so she can’t even make glyphs or summons to help herself. 3x AP diff is beating her ass here while her only options are trying to freeze or gravity pull him, which he can negate by destroying the glyphs
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99 of each according to Arrowfell, which is main canon material.
Again, flying, he cannot knock her out of bounds easier.
Volume 8 says otherwise. Again, you'd need a CRT to change this as even her current profile says she can fight for days without rest. Even in volume 2 she fought for a full day straight without her Aura running out.
His physical power doesnt change, only the power of his explosions. Weiss can just remove those from the equation by binding his arms at the elbow and shoulder like she did to the Arma Gigas.
I am not kidding no. Bakugo has psuedo flight via propelling himself with explosions, Weiss has true flight via the Queen Lancer and Nevermore Wings. Doesnt help Bakugo that Weiss can just make walls and platforms to stand on in-midair at will.
Its not crazy at all, she can very much withstand that level of punishment. Her summons are several times stronger than herself and she can teleport them directly onto him at will. At best Bakugo will just be blowing himself up repeatedly until he cant fight anymore just trying to work around Weiss' battlefield control and spammed CC abilities.
Aura users being able to fight while blind. Thats kinda just a thing they can do.
Weiss just makes a platform under her feet so she doesnt fall out of the arena. The AP difference is minimal when Weiss' Aura ca withstand Low 7-B levels of damage. And again, just restrain him so he cant destroy her glyphs.
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Bakugo doesnt have the range or mobility advantage. Both characters have hundreds of meters range with their ranged attacks, and Weiss in this key can straight up fly.
Gravity Glyphs would do that very easily, as would an Attraction Glyph cage or Attraction Glyph Restraints. Or just, like, freezing him internally.
Considering she can just spawn the glyphs on his body directly, getting out of their way is not likely.
...She used it twice in Volume 9 alone what are you talking about.
He cannot avoid them no. She can summon the glyphs directly on his body, and several of her Dust attacks have homing properties.
As I said before, Weiss can outright fly in this key as well as being able to constantly restore her Aura, so neither of those options are viable wincons for Bakugo here.
And you were the one who said this was supposed to be a no-kill fight. Is it or not? Also, getting into CQC with Weiss gets him frozen solid with any one of her dozen or so abilities that freeze opponents in CQC of her, assuming she doesnt just Time Dilation blitz him.
A mix of the aforementioned Aura restoratives and the Aura damage thing me and Spinorr mentioned. its 3x her power but it would just be chipping away at her Aura, it wouldnt be a major threat.
Considering her Gravity Glyphs have been able to hold Maiden Penny, its doubtful that Bakugo will be able to escape them. Looking at his profile he'd need One For All to do that.
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Knock out it is
You can blast an opponent to the ground when they’re in the air. Ever seen Dragon Ball?
Fighting Grimm all day with breaks in between and alongside 3 other people. Fodder fights literally. “On and off,” “she and her team.” Like I said, you are straight up wrong saying she can engage a single opponent, comparable or stronger than herself, for hours straight. Her Aura and stamina will run out.
He can explode his entire body in this key. His explosions can literally self detonate himself and he takes minimal damage from them as his durability scales above his gauntlets which can tank hundreds of his explosions without any wear. He can, indeed, destroy any restraints she attempts on him.
All of which he can destroy and is 3x stronger than. Her summons are not several times stronger than herself nor will they close any kind of gap. They are stronger, sure, but you’re attempting to force a multiplier that doesn’t exist. Bakugo can reach peak of 8-A in this fight, he is stomping her summons into the ground. They are just massive targets with no way of doing harm to him. Her riding on a summon just means he can target it and blast towards her in the air to force her down and out of bounds.
Weiss cannot fight while blind. Only specific characters with Aura can do that, and Weiss has never demonstrated the ability, let alone in the midst of a fight without any warning. She attempts anything, she gets blinded and blasted off the platform before she has time to do anything. Bakugo can endure his own explosions far more than Weiss can last with spamming her Semblance.
Withstanding Low 7-B damage =/= her aura goes down low from 8-A level damage. That just is evidence of her aura stores, not her durability, as she still feels pain. The Ace Ops fought team Ruby and lost all their aura in less than 5 minutes while being comparable to them. PENNY, a Maiden, lost her aura in less than 10 minutes of combat while she had help against Cinder. Aura does NOT last for hours, and it never has, in single combat. Maidens have higher aura than anyone in the verse and their aura lasts for only minutes. Any other showings of aura lasting for a long time is in between breaks with teammates covering for her, given time to rest and recover, and she was still exhausted from it.
not responding to this as it’s literally just all my talking points from above, pointless to respond to this old post.
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I am annoyed volume 8 keeps getting brought up as a stamina feat. Which volume 8 did some people watch because the one I watched had plenty of scenes of the characters sitting around and resting. I went to bootcamp, we worked for way longer, I really don’t see anything they did that would be above normal human much less superhuman. The volume 1 feat is terrible since that one day was their absolute limit and had yang get rag dolled as a result. She was fully done and out of it from the day of killing complete fodder.
Plus I absolutely hate to death we are still trying to crowbar tier 7 onto non Maidens for anything, but nobody has time to argue for 40 pages so at least it’s just for the shield that can be depleted by weaker attacks anyways (even if I absolutely disagree to that to high heavens)
Plus I absolutely hate to death we are still trying to crowbar tier 7 onto non Maidens for anything, but nobody has time to argue for 40 pages so at least it’s just for the shield that can be depleted by weaker attacks anyways (even if I absolutely disagree to that to high heavens)
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Bakugo FRA
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“Weiss can fight for hours, her aura stores and stamina is immense!”
And the example is that she was on and off dealing with fodder Grimm and low budget work outs, with plenty of rest and her team helping out, and was completely and utterly exhausted from it.
Sure do wonder why she didn’t just drink an Aura potion and immediately gain back all of her aura.
Or why they didn’t give Penny an aura potion when she lost her aura.
Or why the Ace ops didn’t drink aura potions.
Or why Qrow didn’t.
Or why Winter didn’t.
Or why Blake didn’t vs the Ace ops.
Or why-
And the example is that she was on and off dealing with fodder Grimm and low budget work outs, with plenty of rest and her team helping out, and was completely and utterly exhausted from it.
Sure do wonder why she didn’t just drink an Aura potion and immediately gain back all of her aura.
Or why they didn’t give Penny an aura potion when she lost her aura.
Or why the Ace ops didn’t drink aura potions.
Or why Qrow didn’t.
Or why Winter didn’t.
Or why Blake didn’t vs the Ace ops.
Or why-
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It sucks like a vampire usually
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Also “fighting while blind” (something Weiss cannot do until shown since it’s a every specific thing) is not the same as “oh a flashbang attack capable of one shotting 8-A characters just went off in my face”
She tries the restraint trick MAYBE two times before he plans around it and blinds her + knocks her out of the ring.
She tries the restraint trick MAYBE two times before he plans around it and blinds her + knocks her out of the ring.
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