Were we high? Flowey CRT

[Comiphorous]

why doesn't flowey have any of the determination-based abilities? these would be supernatural willpower, Accelerated Development, and Reactive Power level, Self-resurrection. is there any in-lore reason flowey wouldn't be capable of the same determination-based abilities as frisk?

Along with those abilities, he should get resistance to Extreme cold as he can be found holding down levers to open puzzles in the genocide route

Some other less important abilities he should have are social influencing (has manipulated papyrus, and assumably befriended the underground before)

 

[Deleted member 16409]

A g r e e

 

[DaReaperMan]

^You guys when you were making flowey's page

I agree

 

[Comiphorous]

^You guys when you were making flowey's page

I agree

we were on the special stuff while revamping his page with 2 other keys that will never see the light of day.

 

[ShivaShakti]

Brilliant Title.

 

[Comiphorous]

Brilliant Title.

thank you, i only make the dumbest of titles.

 

[XVII]

seems consistent enough, agree

 

[Funnimane]

supernatural willpower should be there for anyone with determination abilities, adding the rest because Frisk has them seems iffy since Frisk just has way more potent determination than Flowey

 

[Comiphorous]

supernatural willpower should be there for anyone with determination abilities, adding the rest because Frisk has them seems iffy since Frisk just has way more potent determination than Flowey

im not adding them because frisk has them, im adding those because he committed his own genocide and he says so himself, and frisk's accelerated development is based around their determination, so flowey should be capable of the same, probably not to the same scale where he can tank hits from universal entities and such, but still is capable of such to a lesser degree.

 

[Funnimane]

im not adding them because frisk has them, im adding those because he committed his own genocide and he says so himself, and frisk's accelerated development is based around their determination, so flowey should be capable of the same, probably not to the same scale where he can tank hits from universal entities and such, but still is capable of such to a lesser degree.

leveling is a standard part of the Undertale universe I'm fairly certain, not just something Frisk and determined folk can do :v

 

[GodlyCharmander]

leveling is a standard part of the Undertale universe I'm fairly certain, not just something Frisk and determined folk can do :v

Flowey stated Sans gave him "A couple hundred resets", so it's crystal clear he committed genocide the same way we did.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

why doesn't flowey have any of the determination-based abilities? these would be supernatural willpower, Accelerated Development, and Reactive Power level, Self-resurrection.

We should note Self-Resurrection as "limited", since he has a weakness that if Frisk or any other UT character who has greater Determination is present, he can't resurrect himself.

 

[Funnimane]

Flowey stated Sans gave him "A couple hundred resets", so it's crystal clear he committed genocide the same way we did.

correct

 

[Comiphorous]

We should not Self-Resurrection as "limited", since he has a weakness that if Frisk or any other UT character who has greater Determination is present, he can't resurrect himself.

frisk has the same weakness but its not limited. its a fault to his resurrection, not that its actually limited resurrection. he can freely resurrect as long as someone doesn't have more determination than him.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

frisk has the same weakness but its not limited. its a fault to his resurrection, not that its actually limited resurrection. he can freely resurrect as long as someone doesn't have more determination than him.

It should be a noted weakness regardless.
And we can't say Frisk has the same weakness because no one in their universe surpass them in DT, I'm sure.

 

[Comiphorous]

It should be a noted weakness regardless.
And we can't say Frisk has the same weakness because no one in their universe surpass them in DT, I'm sure.

doesn't he already have that as a weakness? i swear i've already seen that on his profile.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

doesn't he already have that as a weakness? i swear i've already seen that on his profile.

It is there, yes.
But it shouldn't be, because it only applies to UT characters, and none surpass Frisk in Determination, so their weakness is essentially impossible.

 

[Comiphorous]

It is there, yes.
But it shouldn't be, because it only applies to UT characters, and none surpass Frisk in Determination, so their weakness is essentially impossible.

fair

 

[Deleted member 16409]

Flowey stated Sans gave him "A couple hundred resets", so it's crystal clear he committed genocide the same way we did.

Flowey said he Won every game

Frisk- I mean WE are bounded by game mechanic so we can kill only around of 100~ monsters.

But in Undertale, there's more than 13000 monsters.

And Flowey who isn't bounded by that killed every 13000 monsters.

Truly maniac.

But hey, if Omega Flowey has got more DT, why he won't get Frisk's DT based abilities?

Same to Asriel

 

[Deleted member 16409]

It is there, yes.
But it shouldn't be, because it only applies to UT characters, and none surpass Frisk in Determination, so their weakness is essentially impossible.

Nah, it won't work like that.

Anyone who is determined CAN ressurect but not RESET.

For example, Undyne. She refused to die while we are present.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Question: what does DETERMINATION mean in the context of a verse match? Like... is it superhuman willpower? a power source that can be under the effect of verse equalization? Like if Frisk and Asriel's RESET Powers can only be affected and overturned by their in-verse power called Determination, is it really a notable weakness at all since only people included in their verse can possibly affect their time manipulation bullshit?

 

[Comiphorous]

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Question: what does DETERMINATION mean in the context of a verse match? Like... is it superhuman willpower? a power source that can be under the effect of verse equalization? Like if Frisk and Asriel's RESET Powers can only be affected and overturned by their in-verse power called Determination, is it really a notable weakness at all since only people included in their verse can possibly affect their time manipulation bullshit?

willpower and some sort of power source but it isn't effected by verse equalization.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

BTW, I agree.

 

[Comiphorous]

bump

 

[Deleted member 16409]

bump

Why won't give Asriel and Omega Flowey DT based Frisk's abilities?

For example, resurrection.

 

[Comiphorous]

Why won't give Asriel and Omega Flowey DT based Frisk's abilities?

For example, resurrection.

wait.

omega flowey and asriel dont have DT abilities?

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

I think folks forgot to do it or thought they could already do it with their preexisting hax, maybe?

 

[Comiphorous]

I think folks forgot to do it or thought they could already do it with their preexisting hax, maybe?

this aint it chief.

flowey's page just ******* sucks.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Ye, you can say that bout a lot of pages, tbh

 

[Comiphorous]

Ye, you can say that bout a lot of pages, tbh

you'd think flowey at the very least would be decent, but i guess not

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Frisk's page is decent as well. Even if nobody has added the match Frisk won a while ago via the thread I made.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Frisk's page is decent as well. Even if nobody has added the match Frisk won a while ago via the thread I made.

You need to ask for it to be unlocked and add it yourself, Fanta

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Did that, but nothing came out of it.

 

[Deleted member 16409]

wait.

omega flowey and asriel dont have DT abilities?

Yes, they don't.

And they forgot to add Memory Manip to Asriel.

And still.
Omega Flowey DT is overrides Frisk's

Omega Flowey sadly DOESN'T have "But it refused" on his page

Same to Asriel.

Why won't add them resurrection.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Did that, but nothing came out of it.

There's a versus-adding thread, did you go there?

 

[Deleted member 16409]

By the way,
Reactive Power Level with Determination (Allows Frisk to almost immediately fight around their opponents level up until he has reached full Determination.

Why there's He on Frisk's page.

 

[Comiphorous]

And they forgot to add Memory Manip to Asriel.

Thats a fault to frisk's resurrection, not asriel doing that.

Omega Flowey sadly DOESN'T have "But it refused" on his page

Same to Asriel.

Why won't add them resurrection.

It would be redundant as you could just add 'all abilities from before' and he'd have it. we just need to add the abilities to flowey's and they'd carry over to Omega Flowey and Asriel.

 

[Comiphorous]

bump

 

[Deleted member 16409]

Thats a fault to frisk's resurrection, not asriel doing that.

Memory Head have Memory Manip.
Asriel absorbed them.