What do characters start off as? (DDLC)

[Jinsye]

So, since she's the one pissing me off today (she's still 10/10 waifu tho), I have a question about Monika and other people I don't know if they're similar.

Ummm, do we assume she immediately starts as a non-existent or no? Because in order for her to be non-existent, she needs to have her file destroyed.

Also when she is existent, a good bit of hax can affect her so I'm wondering.

 

[Kaltias]

Sayori is the best girl.

That said, i'm not really sure why she would start nonexistent?

That's only what happens when she gets erased, she is a normal human usually

 

[Jinsye]

GOnna bump

 

[The_Everlasting]

Sayori is the best girl.

Finally someone agrees, lol.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

That's like saying that someone who can exist as a soul only needs to start in non-corporeal form.

Also I'm honestly not even sure of these resistances we seem to give to non-existent characters.

 

[Jinsye]

I actually saw that Monika doesn't have a mind while Nonexistent so she can't be mindhaxxed as an argument

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

We assume characters to be in their most recent version, which means the ending monika, who is nonexistent

 

[Kaltias]

That's like saying that according to SBA, GEOM starts a battle almost dead, because that's his most recent version.

Or that 4-C Reinhard starts the battle a femtosecond before reaching 1-A.

The "most recent version" is meant for characters with multiple keys. It doesn't mean "literally the last thing that you saw". In this case it simply means DDLC Monika

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Dammit, wasn't following this thread. It's anb ability her profile has, so we assume she does have it, much like how we assume that characters with the key for one season have all the abilities they got in that season.

Post timeskip usopp only got haki during the latter parts of the series, we still asume he starts with it instead of starting at the very beginning of post time-skip

 

[The_Causality]

Strongly agree with kalt for both reason:

• Sayori
• and Monika doesn't start with Non existent

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

@Ricsi No we don't. Even for characters who can activate and deactivate stuff like non-corporeality, we don't make them automatically non-corporeal from the start, let alone ones like Monika who can't really do it on their own.

Again, Monika being Nonexistent after being erased isn't a power up or timeskip key, it's just what happens to her after she's erased. This is closer to what Kaltias mentioned above than any timeskip-related keys.

 

[Arrogant_Schmuck]

Sayori is the best girl.

A really weird way to spell Yuri, I must say.

 

[DMB_1]

Sayori is the best girl.

A really weird way to spell Yuri, I must say.

^^^^^^

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

@Ricsi No we don't. Even for characters who can activate and deactivate stuff like non-corporeality, we don't make them automatically non-corporeal from the start, let alone ones like Monika who can't really do it on their own.
Again, Monika being Nonexistent after being erased isn't a power up or timeskip key, it's just what happens to her after she's erased. This is closer to what Kaltias mentioned above than any timeskip-related keys.

because those are active powers, non-existence is passive.

M yexemple was not the fact that usopp is timeskip, let me give another exemple: Nami is stronger than Arlong becauase of clima tact. She did not have it from the begining, but we assume she has it when making a fight with that key. Non-Existence happens after being erased, but its a state of being that she has permanently on after it happens the first time in the "ending".

Still, my point is that we use the version most recent like how we assume that terrarian has all of its equipment mentioned in the first key

 

[Jinsye]

I feel like.

You've had this argument before.

About a cake.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

You mean the scp? That openly has different tiers,so it doesn't really matter here

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

You still don't seem to get that Monika being nonexistent isn't a buff or a new form; this is her after being erased. Like said before, this is the same thing as making the Emperor start on his throne instead of in his normal state.

You didn't even address any of the points Kaltias brought up and instead kept assuming that this is a key of Monika. It's not.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Saik's right.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

It is not a form, its a state she gained. My point was that we assume characters to have the abilities listed on their profiles. With nami being an exemple as pre-timeskip she didn't have the clima tact all along, nro could she use it properly all along.


Didn't see kaltiases reasons, having problems with following.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The "most recent version" is meant for characters with multiple keys. It doesn't mean "literally the last thing that you saw". In this case it simply means DDLC Monika

Why do we assume characters to have abilities theíy obtained at the ending of whatever they are from then? The already given exemple, why do we give nami the clima-tact?

 

[Kaltias]

Unfollow and follow the thread again, should work.

And no one is saying that Monika can't become nonexistent. Your Nami example would be more like assuming that a match with Nami starts while she is using clima-tact.

The point is that she doesn't start nonexistent but she can achieve that state. It simply happens that the way to achieve that state is being erased.

She isn't like, say, a Dark Area Digimon who is nonexistent since its birth. She is a person who can become nonexistent.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

But after she obtains it, she continously has it, much like how ones nami gets it, she countinously has the weapon