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what tier is being beyond all of math

Urshani

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specifically how high into tier 0 is it? when i say beyond all of math i mean the series gives an example of mathematical cardinals and theories to show that when it says X being is beyond all of math, it is really beyond all of math
 
Wouldn't it be inconsistent? Well assuming it is beyond literally all math it should be around infinite layers to 0 or beyond tier 0 because we would include the existing and non existing cardinals and axioms here.
(Set theory in general)

(Even with this context this is not tier 0 in the tiering system though because of inconsistencies.)
 
Inconsistency wont be making this tier 0 but lets assume we accept this math inconsistency.

The said character hypothetically transcends any limit cardinal or ordinal any axiom even the zf being independent from it and set theory in general as the person above said this verse would most likely be in the highest layer tier 0 can get since we will include the existing and non existing cardinals ordinals axiom set theory in general.

So hypothetically Infinite layers to 0 or straight up unscalable.

(You could consider it breaking the system because of how paradoxical it is.)
 
Vietthai96 said:
to be honest, beyond all math is kinda subjective, since math still evolving, so there will be more and more "big math" in the future
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I think this is meant to be hypothetical and we would assume that this includes the existing and non existing math at the moment.

And also in the future.
(atleast from what we can theorize)
 
Statement itself is worth nothing without the context to back it up. And with context to back it up it'd merely scale to the highest infinity described.
 
KakarotGoku said:
(You could consider it breaking the system because of how paradoxical it is.)
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1-A and above is already paradoxical since Alephs and cardinals are equalized to being beyond the concept of dimensions all together for whatever reason on this site (which makes zero sense since its never said whether alephs are beyond the concept of dimensions, just that they're beyond real coordinate space, which isn't the ******* concept of dimensions itself btw)
 
It wouldn’t be the highest tier 0. It’d just scale to the highest cardinal shown. 💀
 
Scottycj256 said:
1-A and above is already paradoxical since Alephs and cardinals are equalized to being beyond the concept of dimensions all together for whatever reason on this site (which makes zero sense since its never said whether alephs are beyond the concept of dimensions, just that they're beyond real coordinate space, which isn't the ******* concept of dimensions itself btw)
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True.

Vsb wants to be strict yet i would argue that some of the tier 0 characters are stuck at aleph mathematics.
 
Scottycj256 said:
1-A and above is already paradoxical since Alephs and cardinals are equalized to being beyond the concept of dimensions all together for whatever reason on this site (which makes zero sense since its never said whether alephs are beyond the concept of dimensions, just that they're beyond real coordinate space, which isn't the ******* concept of dimensions itself btw)
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Pretty sure tier 1-A is just meant to be beyond geometric dimensions not the concept itself.
 
it still wouldnt scale to alephs since aleph 2 and above are stated as being are beyond real coordinate space, which is detached from dimensions while being related to it at the same time
 
Jibz said:
It wouldn’t be the highest tier 0. It’d just scale to the highest cardinal shown. 💀
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what if it shows the biggest cardinal ever in the history in mathematics, and then says "if there are bigger cardinals discovered, congrats it's still beyond those"
 
Scottycj256 said:
1-A and above is already paradoxical since Alephs and cardinals are equalized to being beyond the concept of dimensions all together for whatever reason on this site (which makes zero sense since its never said whether alephs are beyond the concept of dimensions, just that they're beyond real coordinate space, which isn't the ******* concept of dimensions itself btw)
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This is what happens when you try to apply strict math to fictional worlds. CRT to disband all tiers above Low 1-A?
 
Meganova_Stella said:
what if it shows the biggest cardinal ever in the history in mathematics, and then says "if there are bigger cardinals discovered, congrats it's still beyond those"
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It just bassically means that it would be quite literally unscalable in a sense that there are cardinals that exist there that we don't know of because we are not from the future, but in any case this would be scaled to the highest math possible that we know of.

(So the verse would not be scaled at it's full potential.)
 
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All math could also just mean universal and above... Which is something humans can't/haven't understood 🙈🤷‍♂️

If I understand your/the question 🙈
 
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Mathiverse is a place with the biggest "Maths goes brrrr" of all wiki and is like the "strongest" tier 0 (not strongest because it's not a character, but you understand me)
Meganova_Stella said:
what if it shows the biggest cardinal ever in the history in mathematics, and then says "if there are bigger cardinals discovered, congrats it's still beyond those"
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NLF
 
Beyond all math? I'm not sure how we could imagine that. Like all possible and impossible mathematical concepts and structures we grant some sort of ontological existence (I guess this would be Mathiverse) and then to transcend that?

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Our feeble minds cannot grasp it
 
So if being beyond math itself is tier 0, how about being beyond the concept of math?
 
huh… I thought it goes like this is the concept of thing > thing.
Cat said:
Pretty sure beyond a quantification of a certain number>beyond the concept of that number.

(Atleast this is how the wiki does it.)
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