What tier would destroying a universe containing infinite 5D universes that are quantum-branching infinitely be?

[Peter1129]

Basically after doing more lore research for a verse I'm working on it turns out that the verse is much more complicated than I thought so I just wanted to ask what tier destroying a single universe in this verse would be.

So in the verse there's the multiverse which contains infinite bubble universes floating around in hyperspace. These bubble universes are also referred to as dimensions in the series. And here's where things get a bit tricky.

A dimension/bubble universe is said to contain infinite universes. A universe in the series has also been stated to be constantly branching on a quantum level for the tiniest changes such as a person choosing to buy orange juice from a vending machine in one world while choosing to buy a grape juice from a vending machine in another ad infinitum thus having infinite parallel worlds/universes branching off from one existing universe throughout the time of a single universe which is also said to be infinite.

Each universe also contains a 4-dimensional space that is stated to be beyond and transcends the infinite sized 3-dimensional space referred to as the universe that we live in. Thus meaning that a single universe has 4 spatial dimensions + 1 temporal dimension.

So what tier would destroying a single dimension/bubble universe which contains an infinite amount of 5D (4 Spatial + 1 Temporal Dimension) universes with each infinite sized universe being stated to have infinite parallel worlds/universes quantum-branching off it throughout infinite time be? And why would it be this tier?

Also what tier would destroying just the 4-dimensional space-time of a universe (Not including the 4th dimension) be?

Edit: And what tier would it be for destroying the space-time of an entire universe without mentioning it affecting the past or future if that makes sense. Like in series we’re told that space-time is also a dimensional barrier of sort that surrounds a universe and say a character destroys it along with the universe what tier would it grant?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Erasing the space-time would still be 5D, and for the other question, at least 6D

 

[Peter1129]

Wait so destroying an infinitely branching universe’s 4-dimensional space-time is Low 1-C and not 2-A? Huh that’s actually higher than I initially thought. Really thought this was just gonna be a 2-A feat at most for the high end.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Wait so destroying an infinitely branching universe’s 4-dimensional space-time is Low 1-C and not 2-A?

The 5D bubble Universe is composed of its space-time. Destroying that space time would logically make the feat 5D

 

[Peter1129]

The 5D bubble Universe is composed of its space-time. Destroying that space time would logically make the feat 5D

No I mean destroying the space-time without destroying the 4th dimension. Since in series they have distinctly called space-time 4-dimensional space-time. While the 4th spatial dimension itself is called the 4-dimensional space. And it wasn’t said that the 4th dimension was part of the normal universe.

So I was asking what tier it would be if they had only destroyed the infinitely branching universes 4D space-time and not its 5D space-time.

 

[Peter1129]

Bumping want some more thoughts on this and some explanation on why it would be a tier.

 

[Peter1129]

Bump again

 

[Lloydblitzed]

No I mean destroying the space-time without destroying the 4th dimension. Since in series they have distinctly called space-time 4-dimensional space-time. While the 4th spatial dimension itself is called the 4-dimensional space. And it wasn’t said that the 4th dimension was part of the normal universe.

So I was asking what tier it would be if they had only destroyed the infinitely branching universes 4D space-time and not its 5D space-time.

2-A ig

 

[Peter1129]

2-A ig

Neat. Also can you give a quick rundown on why destroying a bubble universe would be 6D 1-C? Like I’m not that well versed with all these higher dimension and uncountably infinity stuff. Would need to get some more info before I go on with preparing a CRT in the future.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Neat. Also can you give a quick rundown on why destroying a bubble universe would be 6D 1-C? Like I’m not that well versed with all these higher dimension and uncountably infinity stuff. Would need to get some more info before I go on with preparing a CRT in the future.

From my understing:

1-C: Complex Multiverse level​

Characters or objects who can significantly affect, create and/or destroy higher-dimensional structures that are two to five uncountably infinite levels above Low 2-C structures. In ordinary distribution, this corresponds to R^6 to R^9 (6 to 9-dimensional real coordinate space).

First level: A single Universe/Bubble Universe house an uncountably amount of 4D structures, which means 1 bubble = 5D
Second level: The Omniverse (the whole cosmology) house an uncountably amount of these 5D structures, which would raise it to 6D

Tho I recommend checking up other 1-C cosmology or talking about it to someone more knowledgable than me in Tier 1 stuff just in case

 

[Peter1129]

I see thanks

Guess I’ll wait a bit longer and see what everybody else that looks at the thread says

 

[Peter1129]

Bump

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

if a single bubble contains a branching multiverse that branches for every event a little or big to the quantum level (that seems to hint at including quantum states)
Then each of that multiverse qualifies for the low 1-C Uncountable universe of MWI theory. via Non-Collapsing Wave Function

That means each bubble is 5D

But if we include that additional 4th spatial axis then it will be 6D
(though elaboration on how this 4th-dimensional space functions in response to the Temporal dimension {Whether it exists higher or lower than it} is important to determine the priority of Axis)

If the 4th spatial axis exists higher
then each Bubble/Universe destroyed is 6D (Complex Single universe)
If it is lower. It is 6D (Complex infinite multiverse)

Now for destroying the 4th spacetime that would assume that the higher spatial axis is above the spacetime MWI
which would only make it 5D via MWI theory with the context of branching even on every Quantum states

As for the multiverse with Infinite bubble.

it would make it a Complex Infinite multiverse in 6D for the first case I mentioned about 4th spatial axis
The 2nd case is higher into a Complex Infinite multiverse in 6D (Idk if set theory should or could apply to this but If it does. It is potentially 7D. but I doubt it is)

 

[Peter1129]

Oh sweet an extra detailed explanation on this. Thanks!

And yeah we're also trying to figure out where the 4th dimension space is compared to 4-dimensional space-time itself. Like we're told that the 4th dimension transcends the 3rd dimension space that is referred to as the universe itself. And in one series it is shown that a creature from the 4th dimension space can manipulate and create 4-dimensional pocket space which has its special dimensional axis and can send characters to whatever time and place they want as long as they want to go there. This resulted in the main character going into the past and meeting his father which was the reason why in his memory as a child his father took a long time to come back to him when picking up his ball.

So from the looks of it the 4th dimension exists higher than 4-dimensional space-time. But I'm pretty sure each universe has a 4th dimension as it was stated in series that every universe requires said 4-dimensional creature to sustain the universe. Implying that there's a 4th dimension in every single universe. Though I'm not too sure on whether or not this is enough to prove the 4th dimension is above the time axis.

Oh and destroying the entire multiverse itself would probably be likely Low 1-A as the cosmology is said to have a Type 4 Multiverse but so far we have only seen examples of Type 1-3.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

hmmm if it is a Type 4 Multiverse

Then the quantum branching states probably covers the other quantum states that works in every possible axis of dimension

So this would ultimately make it High 1-B from branching alone. but the mention of 4th spatial axis kinda shoots this in the knee
so I guess just the mention of Type 4 multiverse works fine for low 1-A or high 1-B

 

[Peter1129]

No I mean Type 4 Multiverse likely exists in some parts of the Multiverse. But the ones we have seen so far that I have mentioned are explicitly said to be Types 1-3. So it’s not an outright thing just a likely or possibly right now. So the other universes are probably still at most in the 1-C range or lower. Like here’s the excerpt

Multiverse
The worldview of this work is based on the latest cosmological theory of the multiverse — the idea that countless parallel universes exist. These parallel universes are divided into levels:
「Level 1」— Universes identical to ours, existing beyond the observable boundaries of our universe,「Level 2」— An infinite number of bubble-like universes,「Level 3」— Quantum-level branching, where parallel versions of oneself exist simultaneously in neighboring realities,「Level 4」— Universes corresponding to all possible mathematical structures.
In this work, Another Space corresponds to Level 2. Incidentally, if the alternate worlds depicted in traditional series like『Ultra Galaxy Mega Monster Battle Saga』are classified as Level 3, then there would be no contradiction between the two concepts.

Multiple levels/types can exist at once in the multiverse of the series.

 

[WanderingGecko]

hmmm if it is a Type 4 Multiverse

Then the quantum branching states probably covers the other quantum states that works in every possible axis of dimension

So this would ultimately make it High 1-B from branching alone. but the mention of 4th spatial axis kinda shoots this in the knee
so I guess just the mention of Type 4 multiverse works fine for low 1-A or high 1-B

Since you're here I want to ask something.

A single universe contains four spatial dimensions and an additional temporal dimension, said universe is also capable of containing an infinite amount of universes. What rating would that be?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Since you're here I want to ask something.

A single universe contains four spatial dimensions and an additional temporal dimension, said universe is also capable of containing an infinite amount of universes. What rating would that be?

5D if all spatial axes are of equal size
If it contains Universes then it's likely those universes are lower making it 3D + Time + 1D
it would just be 5D of a single Complex Universe

 

[Peter1129]

5D if all spatial axes are of equal size
If it contains Universes then it's likely those universes are lower making it 3D + Time + 1D
it would just be 5D of a single Complex Universe

So I read up about Tegmark’s different multiverse levels today (As well as the multiverse hierarchy) as the series’ cosmology was said to be based off it and I was wondering about this section regarding bubble universes

B. What are Level II parallel universes like?

The prevailing view is that the physics we observe today is merely a low-energy limit of a much more general theory that manifests itself at extremely high temperatures. For example, this underlying fundamental theory may be 10-dimensional, supersymmetric and involving a grand unification of the four fundamental forces of nature. A common feature in such theories is that the potential energy of the field(s) relevant to inflation has many different minima (sometimes called “metastable vacuum states”), and ending up in different minima corresponds to different effective laws of physics for our low-energy world. For instance, all but three spatial dimensions could be curled up (“compactified”) on a tiny scale, resulting in an effectively three-dimensional space like ours, or fewer could curl up leaving a 5-dimensional space. Quantum fluctuations during inflation can therefore cause different post-inflation bubbles in the Level II multiverse to end up with different effective laws of physics in different bubbles — say different dimensionality or different types of elementary particles, like two rather than three generations of quarks.

So I know how VSBW doesn’t treat string theory’s 10-dimensional thing as High 1-C due to them being compactified dimensions. but what does this section about the dimensions curling up leaving a 5-dimensional space mean? Like does this mean a bubble universe has a 5th dimensional space? And if it does what tier would this make the bubble universe become if we include the previous info we knew about the bubble universe being 6D?

 

[Lordhesperus]

I'm not 100% sure. probably Tier 1-C?

 

[Peter1129]

I'm not 100% sure. probably Tier 1-C?

Already got an answer. It’s 6D 1-C (Could be either baseline or infinite depending on the priority of the 4th dimension compared to the time axis).

But thanks anyways. Just wondering if there’s a 5th spatial dimension in these bubble universes now based on IRL physics that the verse was based off of.

 

[Peter1129]

So I read up about Tegmark’s different multiverse levels today (As well as the multiverse hierarchy) as the series’ cosmology was said to be based off it and I was wondering about this section regarding bubble universes

So I know how VSBW doesn’t treat string theory’s 10-dimensional thing as High 1-C due to them being compactified dimensions. but what does this section about the dimensions curling up leaving a 5-dimensional space mean? Like does this mean a bubble universe has a 5th dimensional space? And if it does what tier would this make the bubble universe become if we include the previous info we knew about the bubble universe being 6D?

Bumping about this new question again

Edit: Also added a new question