Yukari Yakumo vs Ahzek Ahriman

[FateAlbane]

Despite the picture, this is no bait, it's because Azzy stole my thread so I have to settle with this one.
Rules: Speed is Equalized, both in character, but if it makes it more fair, bloodlust.

Gap Shenanigans vs Warp and Stuff

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

This is indeed bait. I shall ignore it while playing with my Sans match > : (

 

[FateAlbane]

It really isn't, it's because Azzy pulled a Marisa on me with the other one.

 

[Schnee_One]

Is it bad I don't know what makes Yukari strong in the first place?

 

[FateAlbane]

Yes, because I'm too lazy to explain.

 

[Hazerddex]

Is it bad I don't know what makes Yukari strong in the first place?

im to lazy to explain right now heres a link from the translated Perfect momento.

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Yukari_Yakumo

also these

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on topic couldn't Yukari just sevre the boundry of the Warp to that of the normal relams allowing her to attack Ahzek?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

on topic couldn't Yukari just sevre the boundry of the Warp to that of the normal relams allowing her to attack Ahzek?

If Yukari can't create a gap to the moon due to the beinga that inhabit it, I'm pretty sure she's not going to be able to affect the Warp's link to reality in any remotely meaningful way, considering the things that live there.

 

[Hazerddex]

If Yukari can't create a gap to the moon due to the beinga that inhabit it, I'm pretty sure she's not going to be able to affect the Warp's link to reality in any remotely meaningful way, considering the things that live there.

You meen when yukari used herself as a decoy?

And for the moon it was more of a case that the lunarians would notice the boundary and counter it she has made gaps to the moon that let yuyuko steal from them.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

And for the moon it was more of a case that the lunarians would notice the boundary and counter it she has made gaps to the moon that let yuyuko steal from them.

And nigh-omniscient, acausal, reality warping entities wouldn't do the same?

Though they likely wouldn't even need to, since Yukari couldn't affect the materium or Warp on their full scale.

 

[FateAlbane]

on topic couldn't Yukari just sevre the boundry of the Warp to that of the normal relams allowing her to attack Ahzek?

@Azzy Unrelated to the fight, but just imagine that legit happening in the 40k Universe.

Emprah: Yukari, stop.

Yukari what you doing.

Yukari no.

YUKARI. CEASE. HALT. DESIST.

FOR THE LOVE OF ALL STOP SIGNS IN THE GALAXY. CEASE. AND. *******. DESIST.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Fate

If we get rid of the Warp, then the terrorists C'tan win.

 

[Hazerddex]

And nigh-omniscient, acausal, reality warping entities wouldn't do the same?

Though they likely wouldn't even need to, since Yukari couldn't affect the materium or Warp on their full scale.

The lunatiams did not notice the gap untill yuyuko got away with there sake. So its more of a matter of who is yukari using as bait for the being in the warp to draw atention away. But as this is just a fight between just ahzek and yukari.

Let say yukari. threw. Ran and chen as bait. (This also prevents he using them for this fight.) Also if she did make a hole to the warp wouldnt thw chaos gods be more intrested in send stuff to attack everyone outside the warp.

Its kind of one of the reasons the emperor of mankind cant leave the throne isnt it?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

In a fight between Ahzek and Yukari, the Warp still exists.

Yes, they would. But that is not severing the Warp's connection to reality. That's increasing the Warp's connection to reality.

 

[Hazerddex]

What I ment by severing was the distance meaning bring the warp onto the physical plane like she brought the netherworld into gensokyo

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

So tearing open a Warp portal? Yeah, Ahriman does that too. It's a method of attack, actually. The problem is this is strictly beneficial for Ahriman and strictly detrimental for Yukari.

 

[Hazerddex]

So tearing open a Warp portal? Yeah, Ahriman does that too. It's a method of attack, actually. The problem is this is strictly beneficial for Ahriman and strictly detrimental for Yukari.

so what if she did the reverse? closed any warp portal Ahriman tried to open?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Well, on top of the fact Ahriman is a character who actually doesn't need portals to enter the Warp, would she even be able to? Warp portals are direct connections from the Warp to realspace instead of an overlap.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Is it bad I don't know what makes Yukari strong in the first place?

Ah, Gargoyle. I keep on forgetting that you're relatively new.

 

[Schnee_One]

Not even two years here

 

[Hazerddex]

Well, on top of the fact Ahriman is a character who actually doesn't need portals to enter the Warp, would she even be able to? Warp portals are direct connections from the Warp to realspace instead of an overlap.

do the portals have boundries? as long as things have boundries shes abile to manipulate her power works of corse things can counter her like how Watatsuki no Toyohime is able to due to her power having direct influences on all the moon's boundries so an boundry yukari changes on the moon she can revert (however it seems she has limits as she was not able to notice the gap yuyuko used.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

The Warp part of the portal doesn't. Its whole thing is kinda lacking boundaries.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

@Fate
If we get rid of the Warp, then the terrorists C'tan win.

Being a Necron fan, I'm ok with this

 

[Hazerddex]

The Warp part of the portal doesn't. Its whole thing is kinda lacking boundaries.

if it does not have boundaries why is it not fuse together with the realspace?

theres probably some sort of boundary between the realspace and the warp otherwise you could just walk into the warp.

netherworld ended up in gensoykou because Yukari fiddled with the boundaries of life and death.

so theres somthing making a boundary between realspace and the warp.

 

[FateAlbane]

Even going on the far side of the steep mountain and assuming that Yukari could erase said boundary, wouldn't severing the boundary between warp and reality kinda make any force of chaos stronger?

 

[Hazerddex]

Even going on the far side of the steep mountain and assuming that Yukari could erase said boundary, wouldn't severing the boundary between warp and reality kinda make any force of chaos stronger?

or just kill anything with a psychic potential due to overloading them.

remember there is such a thing as to much of a good thing.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

if it does not have boundaries why is it not fuse together with the realspace?

theres probably some sort of boundary between the realspace and the warp otherwise you could just walk into the warp.

netherworld ended up in gensoykou because Yukari fiddled with the boundaries of life and death.

so theres somthing making a boundary between realspace and the warp.

You misunderstand.

There is a "boundary" between the two, but the Warp does not have boundaries. It is entirely metaphysical. And sometimes, people do just walk in there. Sometimes they don't. It's unpredictable.

Also

"so theres something making a boundary between realspace and the warp"

Yep.

 

[FateAlbane]

@Hazerd And you say that based ooon...?

Ahriman literally draws power from the warp while people like Kharn fight in the Eye of Terror like it's their job and Chaos Gods actually want to get rid of the boundary so I really doubt that would be prejudicial rather than a boost for the guy.

 

[Hazerddex]

if it does not have boundaries why is it not fuse together with the realspace?

theres probably some sort of boundary between the realspace and the warp otherwise you could just walk into the warp.

netherworld ended up in gensoykou because Yukari fiddled with the boundaries of life and death.

so theres somthing making a boundary between realspace and the warp.

You misunderstand.
There is a "boundary" between the two, but the Warp does not have boundaries. It is entirely metaphysical. And sometimes, people do just walk in there. Sometimes they don't. It's unpredictable.

Also

"so theres something making a boundary between realspace and the warp"

Yep.

exept yukaris power is not limited to the physical as mentioned in PMiSS.

so she could Mess with that boundary. now if its a good idea to do so is another thing entirely

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Fate

For what it's worth, Typhus also travelled to the very heart of Nurgle's realm (metaphorically, obviously), completed some trials, and dipped his Manreaper in a pool of toxins at the very base of Nurgle's throne.

 

[FateAlbane]

exept yukaris power is not limited to the physical as mentioned in PMoSS.

so she could Mess with that boundary.

Yukari >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 Chaos Gods combined confirmed.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yukari via empathic manipulation.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

exept yukaris power is not limited to the physical as mentioned in PMoSS.

so she could Mess with that boundary. now if its a good idea to do so is another thing entirely

Nobody said it was limited to the physical. The assumption is that Yukari can affect the full boundary between two realms that dwarf anything and everything in Touhou in scale.

 

[Hazerddex]

exept yukaris power is not limited to the physical as mentioned in PMoSS.

so she could Mess with that boundary.

Yukari >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 Chaos Gods combined confirmed.

now i would not go THAT far. and thanks now im thinking of yukari x slenesh crack pairing thanks.


im just saying as long as some sort of boundry exist she can mess with it. as stated in PMoSS

this exteneds to other peoples dreams

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Yukari >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 Chaos Gods combined confirmed.

 

[FateAlbane]

@Hazerd Well, what I mean is that the 4 Chaos Gods combined can't mess with that boundary of Reality/Warp as things currently stand, so I don't think Yukari should be able to either, as she would logically need higher power than them to do such a thing.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Hazerd Well, what I mean is that the 4 Chaos Gods combined can't mess with that boundary of Reality/Warp as things currently stand, so I don't think Yukari should be able to either.

They can mess with it. They just can't destroy it fully, which they would need the Emperor dead (or more accurately, non-existant) to do.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

yukari via using cal as a baseball bat OVO

 

[Hazerddex]

@Hazerd Well, what I mean is that the 4 Chaos Gods combined can't mess with that boundary of Reality/Warp as things currently stand, so I don't think Yukari should be able to either, as she would logically need higher power than them to do such a thing.

hey im just qouting what i know from PMiSS

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It's said that this ability is not limited to physical space, but also applies to pictures, others' dreams, and even stories.


theres also a case where yukari pulled Rinosuke out of a dream that would have transported him into the outside world. in Curiosities of lotus asia.


and if were going logically we still don't know Yukari's full power as ZUN said its to strong to be used for play (spell cards)

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Yukari's ability is the "manipulation of boundaries". It's a far-too-powerful ability that can, logically speaking, affect anything. Naturally, if she put this ability to its full use it wouldn't even be a game, so for the purposes of the narrative she fights within the spellcard rules. Then again, it seems she was involved in the creation of these rules in the first place, so...

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

yukari via using cal as a baseball bat OVO

Totally not helping her, bruh. The baseCal bat's only creation feats are several failed Kirby upgrade threads.

 

[FateAlbane]

@Azathoth I meant in the sense of severing it, yes. But didn't know they could mess up with it in some ways, that's neat to know.