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The omni king was stated by Grand Priest to foresaw the outcome of the tournament.
The omni king was stated by Grand Priest to foresaw the outcome of the tournament.
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It's just one example. Wanna one from the real world? Any person who wins horse races bets. They foresaw what would happen, does it mean they can see the future? No.What are you talking about? Of course we knew U7 will win, that is the plot of the series, we are 3D viewers while Zeno is 2D compared to us.
That literally anyone can foresaw the future and the future can match their prediction.And what vagueness are there in the feat?
And? Anyone can foresee the outcome of any match and such outcome can match their prediction, yet not because of that they have predictionZeno’s foresaw outcome matched 100% with the event in the anime
Who literally said Zen'oh would have erased everything if a selfish wish was made. If the future was absolute, he wouldn't have even thought or said what could have happened if the outcome was different., and it is backed up by Daishinkan, which is literally words of god.
But we have enough evidence though. Daishinkan’s statement and Zeno’s feat himself. I mean, Goku literally have analytical prediction for predicting 0.1s of the future. I don’t see why Zeno can’t have that?No. Not enough evidence
Several people already told you guessing something is not precognition. Even a human child can do so without analytical predictionBut we have enough evidence though. Daishinkan’s statement and Zeno’s feat himself.
Are you really comparing Goku's feat with Zen'oh? Anyway, just because one character of the verse has that, it doesn't mean Zen'oh also has it, and Zen'oh was stated not to be a skilled fighterI mean, Goku literally have analytical prediction for predicting 0.1s of the future. I don’t see why Zeno can’t have that?
Never said if a character in a verse have an ability, then Zeno will have it. I was saying that their feat are the same, both predicted the future and both feats are supported by statements, I would even argue that Zeno’s feat are better because he predicted literally the whole tournament, not only who will win but also what wish will be made. Yes we can predict things, but most of them are based on observation, we predict a football match usually by how strong they are, their current forms,… Here A17 was massively weaker than Jiren, Goku, Vegeta and Toppo and even then, A17 literally stated that he would wish for a boat or something earlier, but in the end, he still wish to revive the universes.Several people already told you guessing something is not precognition. Even a human child can do so without analytical prediction
Are you really comparing Goku's feat with Zen'oh? Anyway, just because one character of the verse has that, it doesn't mean Zen'oh also has it, and Zen'oh was stated not to be a skilled fighter
No, they aren't. Zen'oh just guessed what could've happened as any human can do, Goku, meanwhile, guessed what Hit would do and where would he be.Never said if a character in a verse have an ability, then Zeno will have it. I was saying that their feat are the same,
Only in your headcanon. Goku's feat is a true precognition feat.both predicted the future and both feats are supported by statements,
Headcanon, Daishinkan only said Zen'oh knew the winner would restore the universe, not that Zen'oh knew what would happen in the entire tournament of power, or that A17 was the winner. If he really knew it, he won't try to pull the button to eliminate Goku the first time he used Ultra Instinct, for exampleI would even argue that Zeno’s feat are better because he predicted literally the whole tournament, not only who will win but also what wish will be made.
...and we can predict things based on our opinion, ideals, hope, etc. Zen'oh just hoped the winner will do something heroic like any child-like person (which he is) will doYes we can predict things, but most of them are based on observation, we predict a football match usually by how strong they are, their current forms,…
And?Here A17 was massively weaker than Jiren, Goku, Vegeta and Toppo and even then, A17 literally stated that he would wish for a boat or something earlier, but in the end, he still wish to revive the universes.
Made a If/So scenario
Knew the outcome making the existence of the If/So scenario irrelevant.
Already debunkedHere my main arguments why Zeno can predict the future:
1) Daishinkan stated that “ Zeno-Sama foresaw the outcome”, foresaw could mean many things, but in this context, I will use predict.
This is not an argument, though2) Zeno’s prediction matched what happened in the anime.
How does this support Zen'oh's precognition? Zen'Oh never said A17 would win, he just said the winner would take the universes back. It May be A17, or any other character who regretted his selfish wish and thought taking the universes back is a better wish as A17 saidSome counter arguments could be it is a lucky guess work or he just hopes.
First of all, Daishinkan never stated that Zeno hopes, he only stated that Zeno “foresaw”.
Secondly, Zeno predicted who will win and what wish will be made. It could be a lucky guess work, however, A17 in the tournament was massively weaker than Goku,Jiren, Vegeta and Toppo, which would hurt his chance of winning.
How does it proof that?In earlier episode, A17 also stated that if he won the tournament, he would wish for a boat but in the end, he still wish to revive other universes, which further supports Zeno’s prediction is not a lucky guess work.
Because there is a possibility that A17 will make a selfish wish? But he didn’t, which prove that Zeno’s prediction stay true.How does it proof that?
The fact that he changed his mind supports Zeno’s prediction.Bro, it doesn't support nothing. It just means A17 changed his mind at the last moment.
Btw , I’m not arguing for precognition anymore, just future prediction.How does this support Zen'oh's precognition? Zen'Oh never said A17 would win, he just said the winner would take the universes back. It May be A17, or any other character who regretted his selfish wish and thought taking the universes back is a better wish as A17 said
...which is the sameBtw , I’m not arguing for precognition anymore, just future prediction.
Why would I not take Daishinkan’s statement serious. His word holds more value than even Whis, whose statements we take as facts. And out of context? Daishinkan stated that Zeno foresaw the outcome, which essentially means predict the outcome, which is literally what I’m arguing for.2. You take Grand Priest's statement too serious and out of context
it doesn't matter here, he said Zeno foresaw the result, nothing more. The statement is too vague, leave too much room for intepretation, no solid back-up. We can all agree if he downright say, Zeno can see the future but no.................Why would I not take Daishinkan’s statement serious. His word holds more value than even Whis, whose statements we take as facts.
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