ZZZ Verse Upgrade

[Sooshirohl]

pretty simple upgrade i think. currently, a majority of the ZZZ character profiles are listed as 9-A via scaling to the dead end butcher's wall destroying feat. however, a more recent calc put a sacrifice blasting a door open at 8-C. therefore, i think all of the previous profiles that were listed as 9-A should be upgraded to 8-C.

in regards to justification, with the exception of the absolute strongest characters in the series like hoshimi miyabi and yixuan, the game has made it pretty explicitly clear that a majority of the factions and their respective members should at least be relative to one another strength-wise. some examples of this include :

• lycaon being confident that he'd be able to take on all of the cunning hares
• billy being formerly part of the sons of calydon
• both anby and billy being immediately ready to fight against the members of section 6 at a moment's notice
• anby and soldier 11 showing that they're capable of fighting alongside one another
• the cunning hares, belobog, victoria housekeeping, and sons of calydon all showing up to help fight against ethereals during 1.4's story
• lycaon and hugo being both formerly part of the same faction and fighting against each other on even footing

there's also the fact that various other factions have been shown capable of fighting against ethereals/boss enemies powered by sacrifices/sacrifice cores, enemies that should be marginally stronger than the ethereal who performed the 8-C feat. these include :

• belobog industries fighting against the unknown corruption complex, a sacrifice that had absorbed three of belobog's machines
• section 6 fighting against bringer, who injected himself with an elixir transforming him into a sacrifice
• vivian, who was at the very least able to hold off a corrupted dina on her own after she had injected herself with the sacrifice elixir
• anby and soldier 11, who fought against twiggy and girl a, who had injected themselves with sacrifice elixirs
• yunkui summit, who fought against mevorakh, an overseer of the exaltists granted power by the creator who are at the very least comparable to, if not stronger than an average sacrifice
• spook shack, who were able to hold off the heretic jester, another powerful sacrifice
• obol squad, who fought against isolde/mevorakh, who as aforementioned is an overseer of the exaltists and likely comparable to, if not stronger than a sacrifice

this would upgrade the following characters :

Nicole Demara
Billy Kid
Anby Demara
Nekomiya Mana
Alexandrina Sebastiane
Corin Wickes
Ellen Joe
Von Lycaon
Zhu Yuan
Qingyi
Jane Doe

 

[PedjaTarzan]

well done bro, i agree

 

[EddisherSound]

Welp, this kills the Zovaras-Cunning Hares match


Agree

 

[Naito-desu]

I agree since I've advocated for these changes in prior discussion

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

pretty simple upgrade i think. currently, a majority of the ZZZ character profiles are listed as 9-A via scaling to the dead end butcher's wall destroying feat. however, a more recent calc put a sacrifice blasting a door open at 8-C. therefore, i think all of the previous profiles that were listed as 9-A should be upgraded to 8-C.

in regards to justification, with the exception of the absolute strongest characters in the series like hoshimi miyabi and yixuan, the game has made it pretty explicitly clear that a majority of the factions and their respective members should at least be relative to one another strength-wise. some examples of this include :

• lycaon being confident that he'd be able to take on all of the cunning hares
• billy being formerly part of the sons of calydon
• both anby and billy being immediately ready to fight against the members of section 6 at a moment's notice
• anby and soldier 11 showing that they're capable of fighting alongside one another
• the cunning hares, belobog, victoria housekeeping, and sons of calydon all showing up to help fight against ethereals during 1.4's story
• lycaon and hugo being both formerly part of the same faction and fighting against each other on even footing

Ngl. Personal opinion. Most of These aren’t very viable alone. Being confident you can fight someone shouldn’t make you scale to them since there are alot factors that can go into it (such as skill gap and tricks which don’t need to scale to AP unless it is a massive difference)

there's also the fact that various other factions have been shown capable of fighting against ethereals/boss enemies powered by sacrifices/sacrifice cores, enemies that should be marginally stronger than the ethereal who performed the 8-C feat. these include :

• belobog industries fighting against the unknown corruption complex, a sacrifice that had absorbed three of belobog's machines
• section 6 fighting against bringer, who injected himself with an elixir transforming him into a sacrifice
• vivian, who was at the very least able to hold off a corrupted dina on her own after she had injected herself with the sacrifice elixir
• anby and soldier 11, who fought against twiggy and girl a, who had injected themselves with sacrifice elixirs
• yunkui summit, who fought against mevorakh, an overseer of the exaltists granted power by the creator who are at the very least comparable to, if not stronger than an average sacrifice
• spook shack, who were able to hold off the heretic jester, another powerful sacrifice
• obol squad, who fought against isolde/mevorakh, who as aforementioned is an overseer of the exaltists and likely comparable to, if not stronger than a sacrifice

this would upgrade the following characters :

Nicole Demara
Billy Kid
Anby Demara
Nekomiya Mana
Alexandrina Sebastiane
Corin Wickes
Ellen Joe
Von Lycaon
Zhu Yuan
Qingyi
Jane Doe

This looks good.

 

[Mommyleona]

easiest agree, tier 7 ZZZ when

 

[Sooshirohl]

Ngl. Personal opinion. Most of These aren’t very viable alone. Being confident you can fight someone shouldn’t make you scale to them since there are alot factors that can go into it (such as skill gap and tricks which don’t need to scale to AP unless it is a massive difference)

fair enough, just wasn't sure how much justification i was supposed to include so i figured i'd add as much as i could

seems like we have four people who agree atm then? we need the approval of moderators too no?

 

[Mommyleona]

seems like we have four people who agree atm then? we need the approval of moderators too no?

ye, our agreement doesnt matter, you need mod votes, in this case 2

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Agree as well

 

[LaserPrecision]

calc put a sacrifice blasting a door open at 8-C.

The calc claims it's an explosion, but is it an explosion? It seems like they cut the door open with several slashes even without going frame-by-frame. But going frame-by-frame, you can see each individual cut made:

(I recommend combing through the video yourself to see it in motion. You can play a YT video by frame by pausing it and pressing "<" or ">")

I don't have any greater context, but this could change the result of the calc.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks simple enough.

 

[Naito-desu]

I don't have any greater context, but this could change the result of the calc.

I chose to treat it as a stylistic choice since I didn't see anything from the Heretic Jester (the enemy that did the attack) that suggests he could cut the door and explode it, sending fragments flying the way they did in the cutscene.

 

[LaserPrecision]

I chose to treat it as a stylistic choice since I didn't see anything from the Heretic Jester (the enemy that did the attack) that suggests he could cut the door and explode it, sending fragments flying the way they did in the cutscene.

Could you send a vid of a fight with the enemy?

 

[Naito-desu]

 

[Naito-desu]

I should add that the door fragments don't match the 'cuts' made to the door prior to the explosion either

 

[LaserPrecision]

It does having slashing attacks, but none of them seem long enough in range to reach the door from where they hit it. So I think I can agree to it being an artistic liberty. It does have ranged small explosion attacks. I imagine it fired one of those at the door.

 

[Naito-desu]

I'll check the cutting end to be sure, but we can be content with this calculation for the time being for the rest of the verse

 

[Sooshirohl]

Looks simple enough.

we just need one more mod approval to implement the changes then right?

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Seems pretty reasonable, I agree with this

we just need one more mod approval to implement the changes then right?

Normally for stats n stuff yeah I think its around three mod votes

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Normally for stats n stuff yeah I think its around three mod votes

Three mods votes only applied for controversial change, otherwise it's only need two mod approval generally

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Bump

 

[Vietthai96]

Looks oke to me

 

[Sooshirohl]

Looks oke to me

oh sweet, that should be two mod approvals then. am i alright to go through with the upgrades then?

 

[Vietthai96]

oh sweet, that should be two mod approvals then. am i alright to go through with the upgrades then?

Yeah

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

there's also the fact that various other factions have been shown capable of fighting against ethereals/boss enemies powered by sacrifices/sacrifice cores, enemies that should be marginally stronger than the ethereal who performed the 8-C feat. these include :

• vivian, who was at the very least able to hold off a corrupted dina on her own after she had injected herself with the sacrifice elixir
• anby and soldier 11, who fought against twiggy and girl a, who had injected themselves with sacrifice elixirs

I ultimately mostly agree with scaling everyone to each aside from obviously Section 6, who actually can fight alongside Miyabi and face the likes of Nineveh.

Though, sorry If I’m misunderstanding anything, but the 8-C feat is the Heretic Jester ain’t it? Why would the Ethereals of Twiggy, Girl A and Dina be listed here superior to the Heretic Jester? Especially Dina given she got mostly got soloed by Vivian, whereas HJ fought a faction of three.

 

[Sooshirohl]

I ultimately mostly agree with scaling everyone to each aside from obviously Section 6, who actually can fight alongside Miyabi and face the likes of Nineveh.

Though, sorry If I’m misunderstanding anything, but the 8-C feat is the Heretic Jester ain’t it? Why would the Ethereals of Twiggy, Girl A and Dina be listed here superior to the Heretic Jester? Especially Dina given she got mostly got soloed by Vivian, whereas HJ fought a faction of three.

gonna be honest, i forgot the sacrifice feat was performed by the heretic jester. that's an oopsie on my part

they probably aren't superior, but i think they're at the very least comparable which imo still makes the scaling valid. also, in defense of dina, vivian literally had to stab herself with a sacrifice serum to actually kill her. she was holding her off yeah but she wasn't actually able to beat her on her own

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

they probably aren't superior, but i think they're at the very least comparable which imo still makes the scaling valid. also, in defense of dina, vivian literally had to stab herself with a sacrifice serum to actually kill her. she was holding her off yeah but she wasn't actually able to beat her on her own

I mean since we’re scaling Agents mostly to each other, it ultimately still be 8-C regardless but just to be clear on it.

Btw, it’s been quite awhile on Season 1 so I genuinely forgot, were the Sacrifice serums Dina and Twiggy used perfect or were they a creation of Dina’s attempt at it, cause both are far more Ethereal, like a Tepes if I recall correctly is even in Orpheus video along with a group of other Ethereal while Twiggy and Girl A match Thanatos, than Heretic Jester, who’s like Sacrifice Bringer. Again they still scale of facing the Agents so just asking on this cause I forgot.

 

[Naito-desu]

Cunning Hares

The Cunning Hares, officially Gentle House, is a human resource dispatch agency and a faction in Zenless Zone Zero. It was founded by Nicole Demara. The Cunning Hares were formed as a small-scale human resource dispatch agency, their main business to deal with commissions relating to Hollows...

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This wasn't updated yet so I'll go ahead and do that for you

 

[Sooshirohl]

I mean since we’re scaling Agents mostly to each other, it ultimately still be 8-C regardless but just to be clear on it.

Btw, it’s been quite awhile on Season 1 so I genuinely forgot, were the Sacrifice serums Dina and Twiggy used perfect or were they a creation of Dina’s attempt at it, cause both are far more Ethereal, like a Tepes if I recall correctly is even in Orpheus video along with a group of other Ethereal while Twiggy and Girl A match Thanatos, than Heretic Jester, who’s like Sacrifice Bringer. Again they still scale of facing the Agents so just asking on this cause I forgot.

dina's serum seemed to be imperfect, but the ones twiggy and girl A injected seemed closer to bringer's. twiggy did retain her consciousness and thoughts even after getting turned into an ethereal, we see that at the very end of the fight when she's talking to anby and soldier 11 with dying words

dina and the heretic jester seem to be sacrifices that act more like traditional ethereals that run rampant without any thought. but twiggy and bringer seem closer to perfect/true sacrifices, human turned ethereals who still retain their consciousness and are able to speak

 

[Random-Helper323]

When applying accepted CRT's to a profile, link the thread in the edit's summary. That way we know the stat change is approved and not vandalism. Also, where did the 96 ton lifting strength come from?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

When are we gonna have 1-B zzz?

 

[Pyro9278]

When applying accepted CRT's to a profile, link the thread in the edit's summary. That way we know the stat change is approved and not vandalism. Also, where did the 96 ton lifting strength come from?

I think the LS was established when profiles were created, if you ask in any thread. In any case, here's the accepted calculation for the LS.

 

[Random-Helper323]

I think the LS was established when profiles were created, if you ask in any thread. In any case, here's the accepted calculation for the LS.

It's resolved. They used short tons instead of metric which is how the result got converted wrong.