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cuz its dragon ball, the staff will guard it with there literal lives
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Characters/verses you hated to debate the most?
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The dragonball standards are odd yeah. I don't think immeasurable was changed because of DB? But the whole Beerus and champa 2-C feat is really strange and convoluted. I probably would've just said place them at "At most 2-C" and call it a day. And by extension Dragonball would then have the weakest 2-C characetrs lol
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Haruhi Suzumiya, 10-B physically, 2-C with powers, human level speed and doesnt know about her own powers
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Wow, that's a fat LHaruhi Suzumiya, 10-B physically, 2-C with powers, human level speed and doesnt know about her own powers
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Any JRPG that’s not Pokemon, any visual novel, and any tabletop, especially those with lore books.
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To play devil's advocate there was a time where many DB supporters across the Vs community refused to accept any verse being more powerful than theirs, would intentionally spite/mock/downplay other verses just to make DB "look" better and were generally impossible to debate with thanks to mass argument from ignorance.
Things have overall calmed down somewhat in the Vs community when it comes to DB but those dark days still happened, so while I don't agree with some of the stances/standards this Wiki takes, I can completely understand why the staff would give extra strict scrutiny to popular verses like DB (considering how bad it can get) but by the same measure I also can feel the frustration of DB supporters whenever they try to upgrade/revise the verse (since it kinda feels like there's a stigma attached to you). Overall we all get caught up in the subjective nature of Vs debating with fictional characters I suppose.
Also my apologies if I contributed to the derail in anyway.
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They even tried to change Abstract Existence standards
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Guys stop, I honestly know what it feels like when the Wiki seems to move the goalposts (trust me I have ranted about it myself) but repeatedly ripping on it and making it seem like there's some big vendetta against DB is a sure fire way of getting you into hot water and getting this thread closed.
Let's just drop the subject, ok?
Let's just drop the subject, ok?
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I mean we could've dropped if the standards for immeasurable speed changed twice, standard for NPI changed, and they were about to change the AE standards again IN THE SAME TIME WHEN THERE WAS A DBZ THREAD ABOUT IT-
But I guess it's just a coincidence
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Now that you say it, i remember there was a debator in reddit called mystery 50 or something like that. I was trying to convince him that no, , dbs goku does not stomp sailor moon and i got sailor moon fanboy-zoned wtf?
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If we want to talk about something like that then make a thread for it. I partially started the derailing so my bad there but yeah the entire thread is literally about Dragon Ball and how it's viewed on the wiki, now.
Also yeah I remember the dark ages. I was around when debating communities on Google+ were a popular thing (even talked with SethTheProgrammar when he was still very small in the versus community and only had 2k subs, as well as SSJRyu who I was surprised to see on the wiki one day).
Also yeah I remember the dark ages. I was around when debating communities on Google+ were a popular thing (even talked with SethTheProgrammar when he was still very small in the versus community and only had 2k subs, as well as SSJRyu who I was surprised to see on the wiki one day).
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Yes, Dragon Ball does. But that's not the point.
Dragon Ball has its own power system, its own cosmology, just like other verses. So if we're gonna say that Bleach's hax aren't going to work on Dragon Ball because they're unique to the Bleach power system, we can easily say the same for Dragon Ball.
For example, if soul manipulation of Bleach won't work on Dragon Ball characters, because their souls are treated differently, then we also have no reason to say Hakai would work on Bleach characters, because souls in both verses are treated differently.
See how completely braindead that logic is? That's the point.
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TBH this wiki treats Dragon Ball way better than other sites.
Outside this wiki, Dragon Ball is treated as either infinity x infinity above Boundless, or people debate whether or not the verse is even FTL.
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Debating fictional characters on reddit is just asking for trouble tbh.
Plus that example you brought up is why I sometimes dislike debating characters from really popular verses, since through no fault of your own some folks are liable to straw-man you or outright call you a "fanboy/girl" for daring to argue against them or simply saying you "disagree".
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To be fair, the Hakai also erases matter and energy.
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I once tried debating on reddit. Place is hell. Not quite on the level of Quora in terms of being a joke, but I've seen some pretty ridiculous stuff on there. Mostly people downplaying characters that are weak for the standards of their own series even though they'd seem much stronger in another show (Meruem beating Yamcha, for example).
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okay, but you tell me, is there a logic in all for one absorbing goku's ki manipulation and super saiyan transformations?
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Matter is one thing that's universal, but other verses have different energy system too so it shouldn't work according to the non verse equalizing logic DB fans use.
No, but I fail to see how this is relevant in this conversation. What are you even trying to say?
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Maybe not even it
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Saying that matter isn't the same in Dragon Ball compared to other verses is definitely something reddit DB fans would say, just to give Dragon Ball characters the win lol
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I am saying that verses that explicitly shows verse specific stuff should not affect other verses.
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Depend if it is too different, like, Souls in TenSura are a whole different breed than normal souls
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Yes? No?
What you probably meant to say is "powers with verse-specific limitations". Otherwise, nobody affects each other because almost every superpowered verses have verse-specific stuff. Versus Battles is no more!
But nobody in this thread is denying that.
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It feels kind of weird that this referring to db fans when this affect all fans as a whole
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''Your soul hax doesnt works in my verse because u have no proof that my verse has souls, since nobody mentioned it
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ah yes, that
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If we're talking about this community the biggest headaches among versus debates for me were Puella Magi for higher tiers.
And for lower tiers I'd go with One Piece.
Why? Because both of the verse's fans are incredibly stubborn and would shift the goal posts constantly when arguing; not even making sense a lot of the time.
If this was like 2018, it might've been Bleach. But nowadays bleach guys are more akin to Dragon Ball fans, in that they're more annoying in CRTs than they are in a versus battle.
And for lower tiers I'd go with One Piece.
Why? Because both of the verse's fans are incredibly stubborn and would shift the goal posts constantly when arguing; not even making sense a lot of the time.
If this was like 2018, it might've been Bleach. But nowadays bleach guys are more akin to Dragon Ball fans, in that they're more annoying in CRTs than they are in a versus battle.
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Oh ye, Bleach CRTs are the best ones, it is respectful and chill
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can't really think of one but i were to say anything. i really don't like debating against SCP verse no matter how deep their lore is
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For One Piece, in my experience, there's only really been one thing that annoyed me about debating the verse. It's how OP fans used to wank Logia intangibility. Like, Akainu no-selling Saitama's punches and the like.
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My negative experience of OP fans was on YT (and on smaller Vs communities) who all believed Luffy stomps Thor after the Goffu Vs SuperThor animation from Cartoon Hooligans moreover they NLF his durability to essentially being invulnerable to ALL of Thors powers because Luffy already fought as well as defeated a "thunder god'.
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Quora is such a ******* joke lmao.
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Quora is such a ******* joke lmao.
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What says you can’t?
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What says so? The rules of this website, the website that still has marvel and dc heralds at Solar System and is about to have Tier 6 Mario?
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Make a CRT smh
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Holy shit I found even worse.
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Quora is on the drugs today
Holy shit I found even worse.
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