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Since his Abstract Existence is called "Likely" as well, that does sound reasonable.I think he should get "Likely Immortality ( Type 1 and 8, as he is the literal embodiment of death he should exist as long as life/death exists. ) "
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Since his Abstract Existence is called "Likely" as well, that does sound reasonable.I think he should get "Likely Immortality ( Type 1 and 8, as he is the literal embodiment of death he should exist as long as life/death exists. ) "
How do you know that being unable to die via age is a by-product of his nature? Once again, this is an assumption lmfaoThat isn't an assumption, it is a byproduct of his nature. To deny that is to deny him being death, which you can't because he is and we already know that. This is a silly argument.
His nature also means he's existed however long life has existed in the overall Shrek universe.
The thing I don't get is that you're acting as if he isn't what he is. He is quite literally the embodiment of the concept of death. That, by default, makes him immortal at least in the sense of eternal life. You're treating him as a purely physical living being just named Death and not literally the idea of death made manifest, which he is.
AE2 already gives those to him by default.I think he should get "Likely Immortality ( Type 1 and 8, as he is the literal embodiment of death he should exist as long as life/death exists. ) "
Everyone agrees that AE1 is bullshit LMFAOI am here only to say that his AE1 is bullshit. Nowhere in the movie he's portrayed as an untouchable thing, despite being physically Death, he is still, well, physical. AE1 is waaaaay too much of a reach, and should be AE2 at best, unless Puss has a busted NPI out of nowhere.
Because the manifestation of the Death phenomenon dying of old age makes no sense. Because that would mean at some point Death wouldn't exist which means everyone becomes immortal, which is way more nonsensicalHow do you know that being unable to die via age is a by-product of his nature? Once again, this is an assumption lmfao
Is this your interpretation, or it is stated in the verse?I think he should get "Likely Immortality ( Type 1 and 8, as he is the literal embodiment of death he should exist as long as life/death exists. ) "
Death stated in verse that he's the death phenomenon in physical form, so him being the embodiment of death is stated in canon yesIs this your interpretation, or it is stated in the verse?
Because existing as the manifestation of an eternal concept is grounds for never being able to die of natural causes. You'd literally, unironically be saying that the concept of death can die from old age. On the contrary, you would need to provide evidence for this audacious claim (evidence that he doesn't quite literally represent death I mean), the burden of proof does not apply to me in this instance.How do you know that being unable to die via age is a by-product of his nature? Once again, this is an assumption lmfao
The concept of Death would exist with or without the wolf, he ain't AE1, he's AE2, which basically means that while he is tied to the concept, the concept does not require him to exist.Because the manifestation of the Death phenomenon dying of old age makes no sense. Because that would mean at some point Death wouldn't exist which means everyone becomes immortal, which is way more nonsensical
Same thing unironically applies to youBecause existing as the manifestation of an eternal concept is grounds for never being able to die of natural causes. You'd literally, unironically be saying that the concept of death can die from old age. On the contrary, you would need to provide evidence for this audacious claim (evidence that he doesn't quite literally represent death I mean), the burden of proof does not apply to me in this instance.
The concept of Death would exist with or without the wolf, he ain't AE1, he's AE2, which basically means that while he is tied to the concept, the concept does not require him to exist.
That doesn't mean it shouldn't be added, that's just supporting our argument.Guys, do you realize that Immortality 1 is completely redundant as it's already included in AE2 yes?
I see. In that case, having life existing without death meaning immortality, which is nonsensical as all living things are mortal (at least in this universe)This was not my question.
he should exist as long as life/death exists. ) "
How exactly? He's literally the concept in physical form. He wasn't stated to be some avatar of something incorporealThe concept of Death would exist with or without the wolf
"Type 2: Embodies an abstraction, and can be resurrected or regenerate indefinitely thanks to it. Destroying the abstraction is required to permanently kill those characters, but they can still be affected without directly altering it."Same thing unironically applies to you
No, he is the embodiment of the concept of death. He is not “death” as pure abstraction himself.How exactly? He's literally the concept in physical form. He wasn't stated to be some avatar of something incorporeal
What's the difference between the two? He is literally the concept itself in physical form. He even says so himselfNo, he is the embodiment of the concept of death. He is not “death” as pure abstraction himself.
One embodies and others being the “abstraction itself” in pure level.What's the difference between the two? He is literally the concept itself in physical form. He even says so himself
ImmortalDread explained it better then I could.How exactly? He's literally the concept in physical form. He wasn't stated to be some avatar of something incorporeal
And none of the description grants type 1 immortality, that's moreso type 8. And it's redundant."Type 2: Embodies an abstraction, and can be resurrected or regenerate indefinitely thanks to it. Destroying the abstraction is required to permanently kill those characters, but they can still be affected without directly altering it."
Unless death is destroyed, Death can't die of normal means. Type 2 definition literally supports this.
It is not even redundant, it is a random assumption that has no grounds or sources.And none of the description grants type 1 immortality, that's moreso type 8. And it's redundant.
The entire point is that if the concept exists, Death will exist. But yes sounds like an assumption that the literal concept of death won't get senile and die in his 100,000's from old age. Anyways gotta go to workImmortalDread explained it better then I could.
But the difference is that when the physical form goes down the overall concept wouldn't be effected all that much.
And none of the description grants type 1 immortality, that's moreso type 8. And it's redundant.
It would not because he states that he isnt death in any metaphorical sense, he is just death straight up. That is immortality unless you attempt some mental gymnastics to refute itThe concept of Death would exist with or without the wolf, he ain't AE1, he's AE2, which basically means that while he is tied to the concept, the concept does not require him to exist.
Okay. Evidence for the contrary?Guys, stop creating assumptions and theories. I still need evidence of this:
This is clearly a personal interpretation for sure, there is no evidence for this.
Where's the assumption?Guys, stop creating assumptions and theories. I still need evidence of this:
This is clearly a personal interpretation for sure, there is no evidence for this.
AE2 already covers it lmfao.It would not because he states that he isnt death in any metaphorical sense, he is just death straight up. That is immortality unless you attempt some mental gymnastics to refute it
Him LITERALLY being death IS the evidence. "I am death" means things. It means he's literally the concept of Death, and he would get the immortalities and such that being a concept gives.Guys, stop creating assumptions and theories. I still need evidence of this:
This is clearly a personal interpretation for sure, there is no evidence for this.
If so, then that's fine.AE2 already covers it lmfao.
Where is the evidence of the quoted statement in my post?Where's the assumption?
You stated it is a personal interpretation; it is not, as death himself states this. It would be a personal interpretation had he not went into detail about how he is actually death in physical form, leaving room for people to theorize, but that simply isn't the case here.Where is the evidence of the quoted statement in my post?
Evidence of this....?...concepts don't age.
He said "as long as my concept of death exists, I won't die?"You stated it is a personal interpretation; it is not, as death himself states this. It would be a personal interpretation had he not went into detail about how he is actually death in physical form, leaving room for people to theorize, but that simply isn't the case here.
He is death.He said "as long as my concept of death exists, I won't die?"
No he is not AE type 1. He is death but still in physical form which gives him AE type 2.He is death.
You would need to get rid of Death for him to die.
Death is a concept
This is a very simple logic to follow.