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There is a big reason why we removed type 3 AE because there are characters who identified themselves as a concept/abstraction without even regeneration/immortality benefit.
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Death Revisions (Puss In Boots: The Last Wish)
- Thread starter Jackythejack
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From which evidence?
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I think type 2 AE is fine
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...you're asking for proof that a concept can't age? That's not something I need to prove. That's something you'd need to disprove.
DaMonkeMan
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What, do you think Death can die? Lmao.
You think he'll just stop existing without death it self just not being a concept anymore?
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True, kindred in league of legends is literally "death" and got one spotted by a a random Rammus in lore. Oh ya, death can die indeed
@TheMonkeMan
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Oh wow, a verse did something illogical. We should apply what this one specific verse did to literally all verses.
DaMonkeMan
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I'm sure this should be discussed in another CRT. This one should be closed, as everyone has already agreed to the removal.
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You mean a fiction that is always illogical did something in its nature.
No we should not apply it to every verse but we are not required to do assumptions because it is not logical for you personally.
The immortality type 8 and 1 should be removed.
CodeCCLL
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Agree with OP.
For Abstract Existence :
Death said it was his concept of death. This is definitely a Abstract Existence. Death never showed feats such as resurrection/regeneration required to have Type 2 in the movie. Likely "Wolf" is the physical avatar of the concept of Death . Physical appearance in the movie can be explained in this way. Likely Abstract Existence Type 1 is fine.
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Type 1: Exists purely as an abstraction. These characters lack a true physical form, and affecting them requires the ability to affect directly the abstraction itself, because eventual physical manifestations are merely avatars.
For Abstract Existence :
Death said it was his concept of death. This is definitely a Abstract Existence. Death never showed feats such as resurrection/regeneration required to have Type 2 in the movie. Likely "Wolf" is the physical avatar of the concept of Death . Physical appearance in the movie can be explained in this way. Likely Abstract Existence Type 1 is fine.
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Type 1: Exists purely as an abstraction. These characters lack a true physical form, and affecting them requires the ability to affect directly the abstraction itself, because eventual physical manifestations are merely avatars.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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This is irrelevant because this is NOT league of legends. And the mere idea of Death dying by old age or being hit too hard is beyond illogical
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Went ahead and just removed SI, Perception Manipulation, and Fear Manipulation as per the OP.
I think Immortality is fine because concepts don’t age. Though Type 1 AE is complete bullshit, Death is clearly a physical entity.
I think Immortality is fine because concepts don’t age. Though Type 1 AE is complete bullshit, Death is clearly a physical entity.
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I am still waiting for a damn evidence for immortality type 1.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Type 2 however works based on what Death is though
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Is the majority of my hijacking good to apply, BTW?
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Type 1 and physical????? Dude wtf
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Am I stupid or I don't see a single evidence for type 1 immortality?
Gilad_Hyperstar
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He's literally Death itself. That's why Immortality type 1
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The sandbox looks good to go
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This is not clarification. This is insufficient. You are required to give an evidence for his immortality and not his damn nature or physiology
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Immortality comes from the very nature of death. Death is an eternal concept and is just the end of life. He is literally the embodiment of the concept of death. Assuming Death will age and die (permanently) is beyond illogical because this isn't something logical. You can't kill the phenomenon itself (unless you delete the very concept of death), and no amount of mental gymnastics will change that
If you really think that at some point, Death will die and as such everyone living will become literally immortal makes any sense to you then I got nothing to say to you
It's not my fault you don't understand that
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I still need to add shit to it, mostly what I clarified, and there are actual good shit on the page, so if I do get around to it, I'm going through and applying shit sparingly lol
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Why would a physical entity that embodies death won't die? He is still physical regardless of his embodiment.
This is not a reason to give him immortality type 1. Also, this comes from your own personal interpretation where a verse itself never imply it or even state it. This needs to be removed.
This is not a reason to give him immortality type 1. Also, this comes from your own personal interpretation where a verse itself never imply it or even state it. This needs to be removed.
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No, I mean a fictional verse that did something illogical.
But it's just straight up not logical. It's not just me.
Well, if this is the caliber of arguments we're making now, here's my rebuttal:
No.
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Physical Embodiment of a CONCEPT.
It is. Verse says something which this logically leads to. And no, it doesn't.
CodeCCLL
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Wolf is just an avatar. So Wolf can make physical contacts. When he says that he is death, he actually talks about the concept of real death.
I'm saying is just my opinion. There is insufficient context for in the both types here...
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Because Death dying is completely illogical for reason I stated many times before???
And? How is that relevant? Doesn't matter physical or not, he's literally the concept of Death, and concepts don't age or die
1) He literally states in verse to be Death. As in the phenomenon itself, straight up
2) No??? It's literally logic. Death dying makes no logical sense
Sure. When 1+1=3 will be true it'll happen
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Every fiction is illogical if it has supernatural abilities. What is this argument right now
Oh ya, applying what is logical and illogical is not a discussion here. We are discussing if there is a statement or evidence which is not available here.
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Should the problems with the 8-C calc the verse scales to be brought up here or in its own thread?
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Own thread
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Preferably a new thread.
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None cares if it is logical or not. Oh ya, I wonder why he could not kill cat immediately in matter of seconds if he is real death.
Dont talk about logic when we are debating on an illogical fictional work.
Because he has a body that can die from aging. You need to give evidence that he is independent of the body itself. And I need evidence, not your interpretation
He is not AE type 1, so none cares what he said.
Death and has a body, oh ya. Talking about logic here.
We are going in circles, send an evidence for immortality type 1 or remove it.
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How to tell someone you didn't watch the movie without telling them you didn't watch the movie:
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There's logic to supernatural things... Unrealistic doesn't equal illogical. This is a stupid argument.
It is very much so a discussion, and your side is the illogical side (as decided by the people saying you're illogical in the thread). The statement saying he is literal death is evidence in of itself. He is a concept, and concepts have inherent things to them.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Because he didn't want to do it immediately. He wanted Puss to experience fear and extend the chase before finally killing him. He even said "why did I played with my food"
I have nothing more to say to you
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All this circular arguments and yet no one brought a single evidence that wolf who is a psychical entity that embodies a concept being immortal that can't age or does not die as long as a concept of death exists.
Like not a single evidence as far. All this arguments about logic and common sense that has no grounds.
"A concept can't die" - oh ya, mind quoting which standards from vsbw states this?
Like not a single evidence as far. All this arguments about logic and common sense that has no grounds.
"A concept can't die" - oh ya, mind quoting which standards from vsbw states this?
DaMonkeMan
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Lemme shut the shit down real quick.
First of all, Death fearlessly and effortlessly walked through a magic barrier which was about to murder/erase Baby Bear and DID erase Jack's henchman. He is thus resistant to Death Manip ( or possibly EE but I'm not sure if the barrier erases people once the person is fully consumed by it so... ). Stop saying he can die, that is an asinine not-even-headcanon lie contradicted by the movie.
And yeah, Death was just playing with Puss because he's sadistic against arrogant fools like Puss. He even says:
¿Por qué diablos fui a jugar con mi comida?
= Why the hell did I play with my food?
Please, ******* stop with all the strawman arguments and blatant lies, just try to find a way to watch the movie if you're so committed to opposing our CRTs.
First of all, Death fearlessly and effortlessly walked through a magic barrier which was about to murder/erase Baby Bear and DID erase Jack's henchman. He is thus resistant to Death Manip ( or possibly EE but I'm not sure if the barrier erases people once the person is fully consumed by it so... ). Stop saying he can die, that is an asinine not-even-headcanon lie contradicted by the movie.
And yeah, Death was just playing with Puss because he's sadistic against arrogant fools like Puss. He even says:
¿Por qué diablos fui a jugar con mi comida?
= Why the hell did I play with my food?
Please, ******* stop with all the strawman arguments and blatant lies, just try to find a way to watch the movie if you're so committed to opposing our CRTs.
