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?By the way, is there no problem adding standard tactics and Notable Attacks/Techniques to Neron's profile without a CRT?
All the scans are already in the profile, i just want simply to explain it better
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?By the way, is there no problem adding standard tactics and Notable Attacks/Techniques to Neron's profile without a CRT?
All the scans are already in the profile, i just want simply to explain it better
Should High 1-B even be on the page, or is it just something the staff neglected to remove? The justifications seem quite suspect:who scale to the H1B? No one??
You scale Base Flash (with no speed) to street to wall lvl?I'm probably gonna make them all like, 9-C to 9-B later on.
Pre Crisis Barry does have actual scaling to 2-C, but the profiles don't mention for some reason. And the two profiles should honestly be the same but thats for another time when I get to handling rescaling
Huh, yes she is remarkable, but if i remember correct only with the Seventh dark force is the only thing I could consider controversial (I don't read much about her)
So should be fine
You do it for Cheetah vs. Gorr?
Is Ok, I would also add in the negation immortality part the type 9, since the gods of SoG manifest as avatars 99% of the timeWeeklyBattles/sanbox173
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Not finished yet but almost
I mean he doesn't have that much impressive physical feats without his speed. And it's not a solid rating yetYou scale Base Flash (with no speed) to street to wall lvl?
Thoughts?By the way, is there no problem adding standard tactics and Notable Attacks/Techniques to Neron's profile without a CRT?
All the scans are already in the profile, i just want simply to explain it better
SureBy the way, is there no problem adding standard tactics and Notable Attacks/Techniques to Neron's profile without a CRT?
All the scans are already in the profile, i just want simply to explain it better
Bump.Should High 1-B even be on the page, or is it just something the staff neglected to remove? The justifications seem quite suspect:
On top of that, Pralaya and the Divine Presence, which transcend heaven with qualitative superiority, only reach into 1-C and High 1-C, which is nonsensical if heaven is High 1-B.
- There are as many realms in Heaven as there are souls in Creation.[108] (This scan is clearly saying that each individual person's heaven is tailored to their belief system, which isn't evidence for some of them transcending the others, only that heaven gives each soul a different realm)
- There are different planes of Heaven.[106] (This scan only states that there are different heavens for souls with different learning needs before reincarnation and implies no infinite hierarchy, and the word "beyond" is used too vaguely here to glean any information from it about qualitative superiority)
No. We just downgraded it. It being considered a higher infinity to the Orrery is itself fairly generous. If you're planning to try and apply some weird platonism stuff for a higher tier, please don't, I can almost guarantee it will not be acceptedJust to be clear, no one here has intentions to upgrade the Sphere right now?
Why?No one respects Wonder Woman and her stuff
I think we missed it, that was discussed in the revision thread and decided against, at least for the time being.Should High 1-B even be on the page, or is it just something the staff neglected to remove?
Whatever happened to Hypertime? I thought that was pretty blatant evidence of R>F. Was it rejected? And if so, why?No. We just downgraded it. It being considered a higher infinity to the Orrery is itself fairly generous. If you're planning to try and apply some weird platonism stuff for a higher tier, please don't, I can almost guarantee it will not be accepted
Grant Morrison has used Hypertime numerous times to define the full nature of the Multiverse. Cubetime is described as a geometrically higher perspective that looks down on comic books (other spacetimes) as fictions.I don't remember Hypertime ever being treated as R>F, but regardless, World Forger created Hypertime and doesn't have an R>F relationship with the Orrery or the Sphere.
Yes. By the fact that the World Forger created Hypertime and blatantly doesn't have an R>F relationship with the Orrery or the Sphere.Has this been debunked somewhere?
Then how should we revise the page?I think we missed it, that was discussed in the revision thread and decided against, at least for the time being.
Ill mention it to Ant and we will fix it.Then how should we revise the page?
Not only is the Presence not even 1-A anymore, but those occurrences occur in different cosmologies, so this rule's existence is suspect now.
- Do not attempt to upgrade The Presence/Yahweh from DC Comics to tier 0, simply because he is stated to be omnipotent and is the verse's depiction of the monotheistic god. This topic has been discussed extensively in the past, and it has been concluded that the Presence has shown far too many limitations (Such as equals or near equals in power in Elaine Belloc and The Great Darkness, stating that he was created by human imagination, being mere fiction to Monitor-Mind The Overvoid, being severely damaged by Gabriel Hornblower, and being healed by Michael Demiurgos) to be ranked as anything beyond his 1-A rating. Also keep in mind that statements of omnipotence are never accepted as proof.
The Sphere of the Gods isn't even qualitatively superior to the Orrery anymore, so this rule should probably be revised to account for that.
- Please don't attempt to upgrade the Sphere of Gods to tier Low 1-A or 1-A. It has been discussed numerous times and firmly rejected, as it is very inconsistent and contradictory. However, if new information regarding the Sphere of Gods is canonically published by DC Comics, the discussion can be resumed.
What's the context behind this rule?
- Please refrain from creating content revisions or assumptions regarding Mandrakk's plot manipulation abilities based on vague references or lack of evidence. There is no indication in the comics that Mandrakk can alter the details of an existing narrative, change the past, or make decisions for characters in the story. All references to the story are metaphorical and made by beings who are trying to destroy the multiverse, and should be considered within their context. The Gentry/Empty Hand do not see the multiverse as fictional or have the ability to edit the story like an author. Therefore, any discussion about Mandrakk's plot manipulation abilities should be based on evidence from the comics and should avoid assumptions or unsupported claims.
The Sphere is still being treated as superior to the Orrery.The Sphere of the Gods isn't even qualitatively superior to the Orrery anymore, so this rule should probably be revised to account for that.
I said qualitatively superior. The Sphere resides beyond the Orrery but not to the scale of a tier 1 transcendence.The Sphere is still being treated as superior to the Orrery.
If a realm is considered a higher infinity over another verse, it is qualitatively superior. A 5-D multiverse is qualitatively superior to a 4-D multiverse. At this time, the Sphere is considered a higher infinity.I said qualitatively superior. The Sphere resides beyond the Orrery but not to the scale of a tier 1 transcendence.
That's not what it says in the cosmology page.If a realm is considered a higher infinity over another verse, it is qualitatively superior. A 5-D multiverse is qualitatively superior to a 4-D multiverse. At this time, the Sphere is considered a higher infinity.
Tiering: As seen above, the Sphere of the Gods and the Collective Unconscious exist on a higher plane of existence than the Orrery of Worlds but are not qualitatively superior for having an infinity higher than the multiverse, which means that both realms are At least 2-C structures. Characters that scale to the Sphere of the Gods and the Collective Unconscious like Darkseid and Hecate are also At least 2-C.
I don't entirely understand the question. Can you be more specific?by the way, the abilities are affected by the cosmology split, for example if a mystical being explains that a simple spell (Like Hellfire) is based on affecting the Soul and mind of the target, it could be escalated to others that can use hellfire but within another cosmology?
Well yeah these guys were reborn within the Material worlds when The Presence renewed everything.Yes. By the fact that the World Forger created Hypertime and blatantly doesn't have an R>F relationship with the Orrery or the Sphere.
I mean again, Hypertime only affects the Orrery level guys. We already accept qualitative superiority with our Low 1-C structures presumably starting from the Monitor Sphere.The Sixth Dimension is the highest realm in DC's multiverse, and in the Snyder/Morrison cosmology, there's no way to interpret any layers within the multiverse as R>F given the fact that even Perpetua does not see any of it as fictional.
I speak about whether some powers that are based on the system of cosmology such as the way operation of magic or the Physiology of a mystical raceI don't entirely understand the question. Can you be more specific?
They are currently the same cosmology.I have no idea how applicable it is with Snyders verse though
Sure, but not R>F.I mean again, Hypertime only affects the Orrery level guys. We already accept qualitative superiority with our Low 1-C structures presumably starting from the Monitor Sphere.
Outside of a single comic from Grant which isn't even incorporated in the main cosmology, Hypertime has been historically indistinguishable from a fancy name for normal timelines. We won't wank it three additional layers of infinity just because Grant called it cube time once in the 90s.Im actually very shocked the Hypertime stuff wasn't taken seriously. Its like the most straight forward Low 1-C (6-D) thing in the cosmology
Neither of them should have H1-A.Marvel will get High 1-A while DC become 1-C
Thats simple sad and stupid lol