Oni God Ram vs Demon Slayer Yoriichi

[SatellaTheWoE]

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[SatellaTheWoE]

It's rengoku

https://imgur.io/a/DGYdJ08

I'm on my phone so copying the link is all I can do atm

Sensing an attack with no intent is completely different from being able to dodge layered invisible attacks. Thats a strawman arguement, also Ram can still just trap him with the invisible air blades

 

[Passersby]

Sensing an attack with no intent is completely different from being able to dodge layered invisible attacks. Thats a strawman arguement, also Ram can still just trap him with the invisible air blades

Sensing them while in state of deep sleep where he normally can't move isn't because he quite literally can't see in that state so visibility is a non factor

And I have replied to that

And I don't see him standing still and letting that happen nor seeing how ram would have the liberty to do that while he is constantly after her neck

he scales way above giyuu who managed to counter 100 invisible attacks that were surrounding him and striking from everywhere at the same time and that with an AP disatvantage, it's the opposite here

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Sensing them while in state of deep sleep where he normally can't move isn't because he quite literally can't see in that state so visibility is a non factor

Again, its layered so its above all of the feats you have shown and thats a feat for instinctive reaction not an invisibility feat. You are strawmanning again

 

[Passersby]

Again, its layered so its above all of the feats you have shown and thats a feat for instinctive reaction not an invisibility feat. You are strawmanning again

...yeah that's like expecting invisible attacks to be effective on someone who fights while blind

Why are invisible attacks incredible?
Because they can't be seen

What if a character doesn't need to see to sens attacks and can sens them even when there is no intent behind them?

Then invisible attacks are useless against him because the very property that's making the attacks special which is invisibility is useless against him

That's not really a straw man, I'm not dodging your argument, you are


Why should invisible attacks work on someone who can react to attacks with zero intent behind them without relying on sight and while being in a state of deep sleep?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

...yeah that's like expecting invisible attacks to be effective on someone who fights while blind

Why are invisible attacks incredible?
Because they can't be seen

What if a character doesn't need to see to sens attacks and can sens them even when there is no intent behind them?

Then invisible attacks are useless against him because the very property that's making the attacks special which is invisibility is useless against him

That's not really a straw man, I'm not dodging your argument, you are


Why should invisible attacks work on someone who can react to attacks with zero intent behind them without relying on sight and while being in a state of deep sleep?

Because Ley Batenkaitos doesnt need to rely on sight to sense an invisible attack either, you know the whole point of an attack being invisible is that it cant be seen? Yeah he can sense those attacks too. However he cant sense Rams attacks which means they cant be sensed by a character who doesn't rely on sight in a battle which means even with that feat Yoriichi would be unable to sense it.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Haste -> she can accelerate and slow down her movements without moving her body -> she use sharp invisible attacks -> she manipulates wind and use sharp wind blades

And that would instantaneous even without her talking mind You

And i bleive I already addressed how good his information analysis adaptibilty and talents are at this point

She is getting nowhere with this

And where do i even begin with the sheer amount of whats wrong here.
1. This arguement is stupid, saying the word "haste" doesnt reveal any info about a persons ability. If he does that dumb shit Ram will just manipulate him to think of her ability as even greater, worse or even something entirely else due to her being comically smarter than Yoriichi.
2. That sentence has nothing to do with her power, she simply said she will defeat him fast and will most likely continue berating him especially if he gets trapped in her air jail and gets sliced to pieces

 

[Passersby]

Because Ley Batenkaitos doesnt need to rely on sight to sense an invisible attack either, you know the whole point of an attack being invisible is that it cant be seen? Yeah he can sense those attacks too. However he cant sense Rams attacks which means they cant be sensed by a character who doesn't rely on sight in a battle which means even with that feat Yoriichi would be unable to sense it.

so it's an attack invisible to someone's senses?

Then how about the fact that he is able to react to attacks while under a spell that puts him in a deep sleep and said attack itself has no intent behind it?
Yoriichi's sense are also significantly better and sharper than Rengoku's ever was

How strong are ley's sens then?
Does he have any feats above or on the level of this one?

And where do i even begin with the sheer amount of whats wrong here.
1. This arguement is stupid, saying the word "haste" doesnt reveal any info about a persons ability. If he does that dumb shit Ram will just manipulate him to think of her ability as even greater, worse or even something entirely else due to her being comically smarter than Yoriichi.
2. That sentence has nothing to do with her power, she simply said she will defeat him fast and will most likely continue berating him especially if he gets trapped in her air jail and gets sliced to pieces

Haste is a word that implies speed which will remind him of ram's weird acceleration and Deacceleration which occur suddenly mid battle then her weird "invisible" attacks which will thus imply she is manipulating wind, I'm not yoriichi, I'm a dumbass but he isn't

He will instantly deduce ram's abilities and might i remind you tanjiro deduced akaza's BDA and the fact that the STW exists using the words "your fighting spirit is polished" and " Supreme territory"

And I'm very curious to see which feats you will use to prove ram somehow has better battle intelligence than yoriichi lmao, you'll are underestimating the guy's battle intelligence and intelligence all the way down to hell

Yoriichi made a power system that gave impetus to human evolution as soon as he started fighting, he made a sword style no one could even learn even with him there actively teaching them how to learn it and kokushibo, the seocnd most talented in the series took longer to learn an inferior version of what he is capable of which is the moon breathing and even that was the same as since nobody was able to learn that Breathing Style either , He is the best swordsman that the Demon Slayer Corps had in a 1000 years history with him being far above said Kokushibo even after he trained for 500 years as a demon who doesn't sleep and is obsessed with surpassing him,

his talent is considered to be downright divine by the characters who know him and kokushibo is no exeption as he described as the sun to which every human would want to touch but could only writh on the ground and turn to dust in despair because they never and never will, himself included even when he himself is a genius whose sword style could never be passed down for the same reason as yoriichi's sword style, no matter how much battle experience ley absorbed and the techniques he merged, i don't know where he scales in terms of info analysis adaptibilty and talent compared to yoriichi

merging techniques?

even tanjiro is able to merge the hinokami kagura dance with the water breathing to create an entire new fighting style to deal with the situation he was in and he was proficient in neither, let alone yoriichi who not only made all the breathing styles, he is more than likely proficient in all of them and he scales way above tanjiro in basically everything

he is also way abobe tanjiro who can spontaneously create modified versions of his Forms to adapt to a situation or opponent and he does this himself against muzan where despite only seeing him once, and despite said opponent's physic being unique and one of it's kind, having no set form and being constantly changing in unpredictable patterns, he was able to create an entire new technique dedicated to slashing all the weaknesses despite their appearent chaotic behavior then master it and use it on the spot, , i don't see why he can't do the same against ram especially with his stat amplifications as he was able to blitz muzan

So far, the only "variable" is the invisible attacks and even that is questionable as yoriichi's and even Rengoku's sense seems superior via better feats

Yoriichi is way smarter way more skilled has way better AP has way better speed via speed amps has way better information analysis and adaptibilty way better accelerated development way superior stamina and he doesn't stand still and let's his opponents do whatever they want like everyone here assumes he does and always goes for the neck

This is a stomp

 

[Zabazab]

I really just think she sees through his moves with Clairvoyance & puts him into the baby jail (invisible blender).

I don't get the argument that "he wouldn't let her" because that says nothing. He'd just run at her, get a cut, try to retreat and get cut, realize he's trapped by invisible blades, and get slashed to death in a bath of wind magic. It doesn't have anything like start-up or a notable tell.

Also interestingly, Ram herself couldn't sense where the same fixed wind blades set by Ley were without looking through his eyes.

How strong are ley's sens then?
Does he have any feats above or on the level of this one?

He can near-instantly brush off having all 5 senses sealed, and is several leagues above combatants that can accurately hit a target's vitals at a distance while their sight and hearing are completely sealed. He can instantly react to invisible sniping sneak attacks from an invisible opponent, and he can react to attacks from his blind spot without looking. He is confirmed to have the 5th greatest eyesight in the world, just below Shaula who can accurately snipe and headshot targets that are several kilometres away.

And I'm very curious to see which feats you will use to prove ram somehow has better battle intelligence than yoriichi lmao, you'll are underestimating the guy's battle intelligence and intelligence all the way down to hell

Ram is normally incapable of showing off her combat skill as her disability results in her body being unable to keep up, but even while nerfed to a normal human level she could predict attacks from a supersonic Garfiel and avoid them that way.

The only person who has ever been directly compared to her unshackled self was Reinhard, which while likely not as skilled as he is due to how ridiculous his skills are, being compared is still an insane boon.

Additionally Ley's many mastered skills are stated to be something only Reinhard would be capable of, which is true as Ley achieved his skill by eating the lives of people and stealing those abilities, allowing a young boy to have the wisdom, genius, and intellect to grasp everything that exists.

Yoriichi is way smarter way more skilled has way better AP has way better speed via speed amps has way better information analysis and adaptibilty way better accelerated development way superior stamina and he doesn't stand still and let's his opponents do whatever they want like everyone here assumes he does and always goes for the neck

First is debatable, second is debatable, if third is attack potency then yes but if it's analytical prediction then no, fourth isn't really due to Ram's own speed varying with wind magic use, fifth is likely true, sixth is obvious, seventh is mostly true, and eighth why would anyone assume he stands still or go for the kill?

For analytical prediction I'm not sure why you think Yoriichi's is better- he can counter attacks as soon as you think to use them, but Ram's allows her to read future moves with greater ease than reading the thoughts. That's pretty clearly a win for Ram's prediction.

The stamina thing depends. It's absolutely significantly lower by a very wide margin, but the 10 minute limit comes from using her 1st Shackle with no assistence. She is using her 3rd Shackle via Synesthesia with Rem, and can thus fight for longer as her burden is transferred.

Lastly, Ram's wind magic isn't something so sluggish that you'd have to "let her do whatever she wants" for her to do something like create a cage of fixed wind blades, she can do so rapidly and even from a significant distance.

This is a stomp

Even if everything you said was true, this wouldn't be a stomp as both have win conditions.

 

[Passersby]

I really just think she sees through his moves with Clairvoyance & puts him into the baby jail (invisible blender).

Which can't happen

sharing his point of view wouldn't do much consiering all she would be seeing is this (replace koku with ram)

https://img.spoilerhat.com/img/?url=https://zjcdn.********.me/store/manga/19287/173.0/compressed/c006.jpg

yoriichi's analytical prediction works in a way where he doesn't focus anywhere, he analyzes his oponent's movements and adjusts his attacks and next moves based on the infomration he preceived, any move ram makes yoriichi will adapt to and make countermeasure against so there is no way for her to even do anything, she does not resist his AP nor precognition and even if she see him focus his power somewhere she doesn't know where he is going to attack, and even then he scales way above tanjiro who was able to change the Form he was using in the middle of his sword swing on two occasions in his first key so he can change the swing any time he wants and decpaitate her

He can near-instantly brush off having all 5 senses sealed, and is several leagues above combatants that can accurately hit a target's vitals at a distance while their sight and hearing are completely sealed. He can instantly react to invisible sniping sneak attacks from an invisible opponent, and he can react to attacks from his blind spot without looking. He is confirmed to have the 5th greatest eyesight in the world, just below Shaula who can accurately snipe and headshot targets that are several kilometres away.

A point is they were all conscious, rengoku was able to react to an attack with zero intent behind it and he was in a state of deep sleep and even dreaming, this is far superior to everything you provided


In terms of eyesight (Although I wasn’t really talking about the regular 5 senses) kokushibo’s eyesight and info analysis is so good he is able to read someone's genome and accurately determine their ancestry in seconds and yoriichi is called the unequaled sun in the verse so saying his senses are far superior is still an understatement

So, yoriichi still possesses far superior senses

Ram is normally incapable of showing off her combat skill as her disability results in her body being unable to keep up, but even while nerfed to a normal human level she could predict attacks from a supersonic Garfiel and avoid them that way.

The only person who has ever been directly compared to her unshackled self was Reinhard, which while likely not as skilled as he is due to how ridiculous his skills are, being compared is still an insane boon.

Additionally Ley's many mastered skills are stated to be something only Reinhard would be capable of, which is true as Ley achieved his skill by eating the lives of people and stealing those abilities, allowing a young boy to have the wisdom, genius, and intellect to grasp everything that exists.

You really need more feats... there is none here exept the first one

The pillars can dodge attacks too fast for them to see using their instincts alone, same drill, yoriichi is far better than they are, and ley would still be a jack of l trades and a master of none from what you described

Yoriichi simply has way better feats

First is debatable, second is debatable, if third is attack potency then yes but if it's analytical prediction then no, fourth isn't really due to Ram's own speed varying with wind magic use, fifth is likely true, sixth is obvious, seventh is mostly true, and eighth why would anyone assume he stands still or go for the kill?

Ram never singlehandedly caused an organization to go Trought its golden age just by casually showing up there teaching them, yoriichi did

It's simply a case of yoriichi having way better feats, same for the second one, his scaling chain statements and feats puts him above her third is indeed attack potency but his analytical prediction and skill set plus the way he attacks makes her AP pretty much ineffective as explained above fourth his speed amps is so huge he can slash an opponent he deemed frighteningly fast 12 times without him being able to see it

For analytical prediction I'm not sure why you think Yoriichi's is better- he can counter attacks as soon as you think to use them, but Ram's allows her to read future moves with greater ease than reading the thoughts. That's pretty clearly a win for Ram's prediction.

Not better, usually hers would absolutely be superior in this case not really since yoriichi is an opponent who makes his next move only after knowing what his opponent's next move is and will adapt to any of her movements as soon as she makes them


Well I already explained it above

sharing his point of view wouldn't do much consiering all she would be seeing is this (replace koku with ram)

https://img.spoilerhat.com/img/?url=https://zjcdn.********.me/store/manga/19287/173.0/compressed/c006.jpg

yoriichi's analytical prediction works in a way where he doesn't focus anywhere, he analyzes his oponent's movements and adjusts his attacks and next moves based on the infomration he preceived, any move ram makes yoriichi will adapt to and make countermeasure against so there is no way for her to even do anything, she does not resist his AP nor precognition and even if she see him focus his power somewhere she doesn't know where he is going to attack, and even then he scales way above tanjiro who was able to change the Form he was using in the middle of his sword swing on two occasions in his first key so he can change the swing any time he wants and decpaitate her

For the stamina, well fair enough

Lastly, Ram's wind magic isn't something so sluggish that you'd have to "let her do whatever she wants" for her to do something like create a cage of fixed wind blades, she can do so rapidly and even from a significant distance.

Even on an opponent who is constantly moving around?


Altough we're kinda going in circles at this point lmao

 

[VortechsTG]

and is several leagues above combatants that can accurately hit a target's vitals at a distance while their sight and hearing are completely sealed.

Should mention that the character doing this is not only waaaaaaaaaay below his level but also literally weak to these kinds of debuffs.

 

[Zabazab]

Which can't happen

If Yoriichi is truly exclusively reactive then he'd just stand still if his opponent does. What you've described is just his analytical prediction, him having analytical prediction doesn't nullify Ram's superior analytical prediction. If he just stands still (which you said he doesn't) then she just cages him in wind.

Not only that, he can't sense mana, and therefore can't sense magic. Especially with Ram who's magic is undetectable even to those who can detect invisible magic attacks such as Ley. Yoriichi's ESP is limited to sensing presences, hostility, telling demons from humans- while Ram's magic can't be detected by Ley who can sense mana, invisible magic attacks, hostility, bloodlust, aura, fighting spirit, etc.

Although I wasn’t really talking about the regular 5 senses

I've shown his superior ESP above, then.

You really need more feats... there is none here exept the first one

Ok then

ESP
Less skilled people can: sense the intent to kill; easily deal with unseen attacks via superhuman senses; detect a person who was invisible after merging with the wind itself; sense auras; react to unseen attacks: sense hostility; and sense presences.

Precog
She can plunder her foe's field of vision, by and by synthesizing eye focus, intent, where power is being poured, can read their aim with greater ease than if she was literally reading their mind directly.
Less skilled people can: dodge a rain of projectiles faster than their eyes can track via reading the shooters intent; become completely unable to be hit by an attack after seeing it once, even if it's used thousands of times at once; counter said precog with skill to land attacks; can predict layered invisible attacks by reading eye movement, breathing, and feeling hostility.

IA
Less skilled people can: react on instinct despite being a talentless 2nd rate warrior; move purely by instinct; react faster than their mind can think; dodge and parry fatal blows on pure instinct; act with zero delay between decision making and action; attack an opponent on instinct; unconsciously react to and deflect attacks on instinct; instinctively dodge dozens of invisible attacks simply by watching their effect as they destroy dust in the air; react to invisible sniping attacks from an invisible foe by reflex.

There's context for these feats and more feats listed here.

Ram never singlehandedly caused an organization to go Trought its golden age just by casually showing up there teaching them, yoriichi did

In the context of her verse, Ram as a child was stated to be omnipotent. She could easily have taken over the world if she wished, and would have ushered in a great age for the Oni clan which had declined. And then she lost her horn, and battle became a strain on her due to her disability.

She was a divine being, the reincarnation of the Oni God which could easily defeat the Beast of the End which could destroy the world, the Witch of Sloth which can even stall Satella or pummel the Divine Dragon, and the Sin Archbishop of Greed who is completely invincible and unable to be harmed even by Reinhard with his Authority.

Ram can instantly reproduce any technique she has heard of with perfect accuracy, even if she had never seen it, and can even reproduce the effect of an Authority by feeling it once. Realistically she can copy Yoriichi's breathing techniques and maybe even STW.

Even on an opponent who is constantly moving around?

Ley is an extreme acrobat who can literally teleport

Should mention that the character doing this is not only waaaaaaaaaay below his level but also literally weak to these kinds of debuffs.

True, true.

 

[Fezzih_007]

This is getting repetitive, i gonna join in.

If he just stands still (which you said he doesn't) then she just cages him in wind.

Can you send me the chapter for the wind cage? Because I would say Yoriichi can just destroy the wind cage, but i think he probally can't, If i remember the quote correctly.

Even then, the wind cage not gonna enough to be able to finish him before he recovers and Go to attack , because of the AP.

In the context of her verse, Ram as a child was stated to be omnipotent.

Pretty sure that's hyperbole.

She could easily have taken over the world if she wished,

Reinhard, so no.

She was a divine being, the reincarnation of the Oni God which could easily defeat the Beast of the End which could destroy the world, the Witch of Sloth which can even stall Satella or pummel the Divine Dragon, and the Sin Archbishop of Greed who is completely invincible and unable to be harmed even by Reinhard with his Authority.

While that's somehow true, that only applies to Full Power Ram, not the Ram se using.

And this only says about her attack potency, not her full skill, so Passersby point still stand that Yoriichi have shown better feats than Ram in skill

Ram can instantly reproduce any technique she has heard of with perfect accuracy, even if she had never seen it, and can even reproduce the effect of an Authority by feeling it once. Realistically she can copy Yoriichi's breathing techniques and maybe even STW.

Nah, even If she could, is NFL to say she could copy the Full extend of his ability, power
mimicry just go so far.

It would be a No Limits Fallacy to assume someone with this ability can copy anything used against them; even if they can copy the functions of the ability, they may not be able to copy its full destructive power.

 

[Passersby]

If Yoriichi is truly exclusively reactive then he'd just stand still if his opponent does. What you've described is just his analytical prediction, him having analytical prediction doesn't nullify Ram's superior analytical prediction. If he just stands still (which you said he doesn't) then she just cages him in wind.

sharing his point of view wouldn't do much consiering all she would be seeing is this (replace koku with ram)

https://img.spoilerhat.com/img/?url=https://zjcdn.********.me/store/manga/19287/173.0/compressed/c006.jpg

yoriichi's analytical prediction works in a way where he doesn't focus anywhere, he analyzes his oponent's movements and adjusts his attacks and next moves based on the infomration he preceived, any move ram makes yoriichi will adapt to and make countermeasure against so there is no way for her to even do anything, she does not resist his AP nor precognition and even if she see him focus his power somewhere she doesn't know where he is going to attack, and even then he scales way above tanjiro who was able to change the Form he was using in the middle of his sword swing on two occasions in his first key so he can change the swing any time he wants and decpaitate her

he also scales way abobe kokushibo who is able to halt attacks the second someone even thinks about them

the transparent world's preception boost is so good tanjiro was able to preceive akaza, who is way faster than him in slow motion and with equalized speed this advantage is even bigger in yoriichi's favor

he is also way abobe tanjiro who can spontaneously create modified versions of his Forms to adapt to a situation or opponent and he does this himself against muzan where despite only seeing him once, and despite said opponent's physic being unique and one of it's kind, having no set form and being constantly changing in unpredictable patterns, he was able to create an entire new technique dedicated to slashing all the weaknesses despite their appearent chaotic behavior then master it and use it on the spot, , i don't see why he can't do the same against ram especially with his stat amplifications as he was able to blitz muzan despite him describing the guy as "fast"

which part of this implies he is standing around?

i meant he runs, analyzes his opponent's movements then attacks accordingly with the best methode of attacking possible and will adjust his attacks based on his opponent's movements as he is constantly analyzing them 24/7

what i described is how ram's analytical prediction is simply not effective on a opponent such as him and the reasons are all above

Not only that, he can't sense mana, and therefore can't sense magic. Especially with Ram who's magic is undetectable even to those who can detect invisible magic attacks such as Ley. Yoriichi's ESP is limited to sensing presences, hostility, telling demons from humans- while Ram's magic can't be detected by Ley who can sense mana, invisible magic attacks, hostility, bloodlust, aura, fighting spirit, etc.

mana = blood demon art, not applying verse equalization is a low blow if i say so myself

just because the slayers don't have a blood demon doesn't mean they can't sens it, akaza's was a prime example


and you kind of dodged the part where his senses are far superior, "invisible" attacks are deemed as such because a person's senses can't pick up on them as they're not strong enough, so it's not like that's a threat to a guy who scales massivley above a character whose senses are so good he react to attacks with no intent behind them even in a state of deep sleep

and you just added the last part for no reason as everyone can sens those

Less skilled people can: sense the intent to kill; easily deal with unseen attacks via superhuman senses; detect a person who was invisible after merging with the wind itself; sense auras; react to unseen attacks: sense hostility; and sense presences.

so season 1 tanjiro level

She can plunder her foe's field of vision, by and by synthesizing eye focus, intent, where power is being poured, can read their aim with greater ease than if she was literally reading their mind directly.

• yoriichi's analytical prediction works in a way where he doesn't focus anywhere, he analyzes his oponent's movements and adjusts his attacks and next moves based on the infomration he preceived, any move ram makes yoriichi will adapt to and make countermeasures against so there is no way for her to even do anything
• even if she see him focus his power somewhere she doesn't know where he is going to attack and what sword form he will use, and even then he scales way above tanjiro who was able to change the Form he was using in the middle of his sword swing on two occasions in his first key so he can change the swing any time he wants and decpaitate her
• the STW works even if you're blind
• he can manipulate his blood flow and instantly make a technnique tailor made to counter an opponent after just seeing them once
• tell how strong an opponent is at first glance

scales way above tanjrio who could

• adapt to fighting in a room where the orientation of gravity was constantly rotating while having broken ribs and a broken leg that weren't fully healed
• continuously dodge a total of six balls that were controlled by someone with Vector Manipulation that made them constantly follow him
• managed to defeat Yoriichi Type Zero with its six arms and swords and 108 techniques in the swordsmith village arc, that's a doll as well so zero intent behind each attack
• was able to create Waltz Flash to boost his speed based on a memory of Zenitsu explaining his Breath of Thunder while chasing uppermoon 4 despite this being a difficult thing to do.
• can spontaneously create modified versions of his Forms to adapt to a situation or opponent.
• can merge two fighting styles while being proficient in neither

scales above kokushibo who can reads someone's genome in seconds and accurately determine their ancestry

yoriichi's AP relies on his information analysis abilities, which are broken, and paired with his extreme fighting talent adaptibility as well as the ability to instantly modify make and merge techniques depending on the situation and his opponent then isntantly use them, no matter what ram does he will instantly make countermeasures agaisnt it and even make a style dedicated to finishing her off

that's why her AP is ineffective agaisnt him as his attacks are always based on the information he constantly analyze from his opponents which renders any attempt at reading him useless as his future attacks strategies and even techniques will constantly and instantly change depending on the flow of battle and how his opponent moves and attacks

that's why i said this

ram is is up against a genius with skill talent and battle intelligence on a much higher level than hers

no one in re:zero so far has shown this level of talent as far as i've seen

Less skilled people can: dodge a rain of projectiles faster than their eyes can track via reading the shooters intent; become completely unable to be hit by an attack after seeing it once, even if it's used thousands of times at once; counter said precog with skill to land attacks; can predict layered invisible attacks by reading eye movement, breathing, and feeling hostility.

and demon hunters can counter attacks with no intent behind while in a state of deep sleep keep on fighting while unconscious, dodge attacks too fast for them to see by instinct


and assuming they can be immune to any and all attacks/techniques they encounter after only seeing them once is a NLF, yoriichi isn't a nobody and neither are his techniques

Less skilled people can: react on instinct despite being a talentless 2nd rate warrior; move purely by instinct; react faster than their mind can think; dodge and parry fatal blows on pure instinct; act with zero delay between decision making and action; attack an opponent on instinct; unconsciously react to and deflect attacks on instinct; instinctively dodge dozens of invisible attacks simply by watching their effect as they destroy dust in the air; react to invisible sniping attacks from an invisible foe by reflex.

so season 1 tanjiro level, exept worse skill and adaptibility feats as well as worse information analysis feats but better IR

There's context for these feats and more feats listed here.

i skimmed trough it, and i don't want to read the details either

i still want to read the novel

In the context of her verse, Ram as a child was stated to be omnipotent. She could easily have taken over the world if she wished, and would have ushered in a great age for the Oni clan which had declined. And then she lost her horn, and battle became a strain on her due to her disability.

She was a divine being, the reincarnation of the Oni God which could easily defeat the Beast of the End which could destroy the world, the Witch of Sloth which can even stall Satella or pummel the Divine Dragon, and the Sin Archbishop of Greed who is completely invincible and unable to be harmed even by Reinhard with his Authority.

in terms of what?

this just seems like her being able to take over the lands and giving the Oni clan more ressources and land to thrive, none of which is intelligence based

Ram can instantly reproduce any technique she has heard of with perfect accuracy, even if she had never seen it, and can even reproduce the effect of an Authority by feeling it once. Realistically she can copy Yoriichi's breathing techniques and maybe even STW.

and a NLF again, and even if she somehow does, it's just a death to use it agaisnt him imo

plus the STW only offers the bility to see trough beings in her case, which is usless unless your inof analysis abilities are broken

Ley is an extreme acrobat who can literally teleport

yoriichi is also an acrobat, but looking at the little dipshit dude looks both hideous and as annoying as a fly so i highly doubt yoriichi is as good as he is, altough he can be if given some time to adapt

anyways, point still stands her attacks will still be useless

he scales way above giyuu who managed to counter 100 invisible attacks that were surrounding him and striking from everywhere at the same time and that with an AP disatvantage, it's the opposite here

 

[Zabazab]

Can you send me the chapter for the wind cage? Because I would say Yoriichi can just destroy the wind cage, but i think he probally can't, If i remember the quote correctly.

Even then, the wind cage not gonna enough to be able to finish him before he recovers and Go to attack , because of the AP.

Arc 6 Chapter 86. It's also stated moving them is impossible due to them being fixed in space.

As if to intercept Ram, Batenkaitos swung both of his feet around whilst midair.

The following instant, the created distortion of space came in contact with Ram’s shoulder, and slashed her clothes, skin and flesh albeit shallowly―― A leftover souvenir of a blade invisible in the air, an impudent trap brought forth by wind magic.

Ram: “Something of this level――”

Ley: “You’re saying that you will blast it away with wind? Won’t do won’t do, useless useless! As it’s something that’s been fixed in space, you seeee! Even nee-sama wouldn’t be able to kick it away, how unfortunate, too baaad!”

Seeing through her plan beforehand, Batenkaitos, with a bloodstained smile, kicked the air.

Though he was not truly kicking the air, but was using the blades which had slashed Ram as a foothold, walking in midair―― using those whose positions were known only by him as footing, he freely flew about the spiral staircase, which heavily made use of the Tower.

The issue was the presence of a blade here, which Batenkaitos did not remember placing behind.

Ley: “It can’t be…”

Avoiding the blade that had slightly cut his finger, Batenkaitos attempted to advance his feet further towards the interior―― his tiptoes were blown off, and he inclined backwards whilst shrieking with an “Ahii”.

And, with the inclining back of his head also being shaved off slightly, he rigidified his face and stood still.

――He was enclosed, by invisible blades.

Ley: “…Haha, seriously?”

He had shown it to her, merely once.

Once, in the midst of battle; being an invisible technique as well, so she must not have seen it either.

Moreover, she had not ever practically even stepped foot in this place. Yet regardless, she had seized his escape route, and had stationed invisible blades in advance.

Ley: “――――”

Batenkaitos put his hand, not on his left eye which had been slashed by the blade of wind and ceased functioning, but on his right eye which was narrowly in good health―― Through Clairvoyance, Ram was jointly sharing this eye.


She had not allowed Batenkaitos to escape. Overlapping with this eye, she would not let him escape.

Ley: “Hihah.”

Batenkaitos laughed. No longer could he do anything, but laugh.

He had loved. For the first time, he had mightily, powerfully yearned for something. He was charmed, by that unordinary essence.

Pretty sure that's hyperbole.

"Omnipotence" is entirely context-based. In the context of the present age of the world in Re:Zero, Ram was omnipotent.

Reinhard, so no.

That applies to everyone. Like, Puck can easily destroy the world, but Reinhard would stop anyone who tries.

While that's somehow true, that only applies to Full Power Ram, not the Ram se using.

And this only says about her attack potency, not her full skill, so Passersby point still stand that Yoriichi have shown better feats than Ram in skill

I was talking about being prodigeous, not about being more skilled. I spoke of the skill stuff in a different section.

Nah, even If she could, is NFL to say she could copy the Full extend of his ability, power
mimicry just go so far.

Honestly it's incredibly silly to call this a NLF. It would be an NLF to suggest she can copy telekinesis, or reality warping, or teleportation, or mind manipulation, etc. Ram's power mimicry is shown to be able to copy martial techniques- which is what Yoriichi uses. She has lungs, and a circulatory system, and can copy techniques. How on earth is that a NLF?

 

[VortechsTG]

no one in re:zero so far has shown this level of talent as far as i've seen

Lol. Lmao even.

 

[Passersby]

Lol. Lmao even.

alright, i am wrong

ignore that one and replace it with "ram did not show this level of talent"


kinda sad i'm the only one here arguing for the demon slayer side

 

[VortechsTG]

alright, i am wrong

ignore that one and replace it with "ram did not show this level of talent"

She was one of the strongest beings in the world by the time she was 8 and this is a world with omnipresent beings that command fate. She could arguably kill at least one of them lol

 

[Passersby]

She was one of the strongest beings in the world by the time she was 8 and this is a world with omnipresent beings that command fate. She could arguably kill at least one of them lol

....i am still right?

yoriichi still has way better feats for fighting battle intelligence adaptibility information analysis and better accelerated development

that's what we're talking about here

 

[VortechsTG]

yoriichi still has way better feats for fighting battle intelligence adaptibility information analysis and better accelerated development

How? Especially accelerated development lol. How do you even get much better than instantly copying techniques that some of the strongest fighters in the world take years to master just from seeing it once and then doing it better than them.

that's what we're talking about here

You keep talking about his prodigal status and him being better than everyone else.

 

[Zabazab]

what i described is how ram's analytical prediction is simply not effective on a opponent such as him and the reasons are all above

Please tell me why you think analyzing every part of an opponent would make them immune to Clairvoyance. Yoriichi still needs to put strength into whatever parts of his body that he's using and look at Ram. Additionally there is no way to know that Clairvoyance even exists. His aim will be read.

Knowing what your opponent will do before they do > Knowing what your opponent will do as soon as they do. Ram seeing that Yoriichi can see her biology would in fact be an advantage, since she'd now know one of his abilities.

mana = blood demon art, not applying verse equalization is a low blow if i say so myself

just because the slayers don't have a blood demon doesn't mean they can't sens it, akaza's was a prime example

Why would BDE be comparable enough to mana to have equivalent levels of ESP?

Mana is an invisible, intangible, universal energy that is the foundation of reality, and not even most ESP users can sense it. I'd like to know why they're comparable enough that sensing a BDE should be equivalent.

so season 1 tanjiro level

Either KnY has really really bad profiles or this isn't true.

You listed lots of AD and ESP feats but none actually address the issue that you haven't proved he can deal with Clairvoyance.

Your argument for her AP not working against him still doesn't work. First, all AP is reliant on Info Analysis by nature.

Second, suggesting that he can come up with a style to immediately counter an opponent unlike any other he has met is far more ridiculous than suggesting she can copy him. Yoriichi's AP is objectively not as good as Ram's based on your evidence.

Countering as soon as your opponent acts is not as impressive as countering before your opponent thinks to act. Ram will always be a step ahead because of this, you just haven't shown that he can trump AP that is superior to mind reading.

and demon hunters can counter attacks with no intent behind while in a state of deep sleep keep on fighting while unconscious, dodge attacks too fast for them to see by instinct

This is just IA that isn't as impressive as the IA shown in RZ.

and assuming they can be immune to any and all attacks/techniques they encounter after only seeing them once is a NLF, yoriichi isn't a nobody and neither are his techniques

It's not, the text literally showcases and states through both Elsa and Ley that a repeated attack will be countered/dodged, as Beatrice's Minya spam and Emilia's Ice Brand Arts were countered by them and said that they couldn't reach after 1000 times, plus it can be countered by having the skill to trick this adaptive AP, it's not flawless.

so season 1 tanjiro level, exept worse skill and adaptibility feats as well as worse information analysis feats but better IR

I didn't describe any information analysis or adaptability, it's just Instinctive Action. And worse skill is just, lol.

and you kind of dodged the part where his senses are far superior, "invisible" attacks are deemed as such because a person's senses can't pick up on them as they're not strong enough, so it's not like that's a threat to a guy who scales massivley above a character whose senses are so good he react to attacks with no intent behind them even in a state of deep sleep

No matter how superior your senses are said to be, nor how highly scale from an ESP feat, it will not lead to having another layer of ESP. And reacting while sleeping is just enhanced senses.

and a NLF again, and even if she somehow does, it's just a death to use it agaisnt him imo

plus the STW only offers the bility to see trough beings in her case, which is usless unless your inof analysis abilities are broken

I've addressed wht it's not.

TCB would be a boon still.

yoriichi is also an acrobat, but looking at the little dipshit dude looks both hideous and as annoying as a fly so i highly doubt yoriichi is as good as he is, altough he can be if given some time to adapt

anyways, point still stands her attacks will still be useless

Again, it's a layer. He isn't gaining a layer to his hax through AD.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Arc 6 Chapter 86. It's also stated moving them is impossible due to them being fixed in space.

Ah, so Yoriichi can just destroy them, yeah.

"Omnipotence" is entirely context-based. In the context of the present age of the world in Re:Zero, Ram was omnipotent.

So what's the context on Ram being Omnipotent then?

That applies to everyone. Like, Puck can easily destroy the world, but Reinhard would stop anyone who tries.

Pretty sure others characters could stop Puck If comes down to It, but okay.

I think i gonna ask the other question then, do you mean she can conquer the world by sheer strenght or by being inteligent?

I was talking about being prodigeous, not about being more skilled. I spoke of the skill stuff in a different section.

Really? Because I not sure how what you saying make Ram seems super smart, and not superpowerfull or super skilled.

Can you explain how that means she is prodigious?

Honestly it's incredibly silly to call this a NLF. It would be an NLF to suggest she can copy telekinesis, or reality warping, or teleportation, or mind manipulation, etc. Ram's power mimicry is shown to be able to copy martial techniques- which is what Yoriichi uses. She has lungs, and a circulatory system, and can copy techniques. How on earth is that a NLF?

You said she can copy breathing techniques... without a sword.

Is NFL saiying she can copy Hinokami Kagura without using a sword, or she can use fully use total concentration without blowing her lungs.

Breathing techniques put a huge strain on your body without training, specially Hinokami Kagura.

If she tries, that's not gonna leave a opening to give Yoriichi a attack.

kinda sad i'm the only one here arguing for the demon slayer side

I help, so dab me up.

You all going in circles.

She was one of the strongest beings in the world by the time she was 8 and this is a world with omnipresent beings that command fate. She could arguably kill at least one of them lol

What you talking about? That's doesnt mean much anyway.

 

[Passersby]

Ah, so Yoriichi can just destroy them, yeah.



So what's the context on Ram being Omnipotent then?

Pretty sure others characters could stop Puck If comes down to It, but okay.

I think i gonna ask the other question then, do you mean she can conquer the world by sheer strenght or by being inteligent?

Really? Because I not sure how what you saying make Ram seems super smart, and not superpowerfull or super skilled.

Can you explain how that means she is prodigious?

You said she can copy breathing techniques... without a sword.

Is NFL saiying she can copy Hinokami Kagura without using a sword, or she can use fully use total concentration without blowing her lungs.

Breathing techniques put a huge strain on your body without training, specially Hinokami Kagura.

If she tries, that's not gonna leave a opening to give Yoriichi a attack.

I help, so dab me up.

You all going in circles.

What you talking about? That's doesnt mean much anyway.

thanks man, i apprecieate the help

 

[Zabazab]

Ah, so Yoriichi can just destroy them, yeah.

What? The whole point of the passage is that you can't. Avoiding them is the only option due to their intangibility and nature of being fixed in space.

Can you explain how that means she is prodigious?

Possessing exceptional quality or abilities.

Being a prodigy says nothing about actual ability so talking about it is a bit pointless, but Ram is indeed a superior prodigy.

You said she can copy breathing techniques... without a sword.

Be fr do you actually think you need to be holding a sword to copy someone's breathing.

Breathing techniques put a huge strain on your body without training, specially Hinokami Kagura.

If she tries, that's not gonna leave a opening to give Yoriichi a attack.

Having a strain on her body is literally Ram's whole thing. Her disability that causes chronic pain and lethargy is a huge part of her character. Besides, negative burdens are flowing into Rem at the moment, via Synesthesia.

 

[Fezzih_007]

What? The whole point of the passage is that you can't. Avoiding them is the only option due to their intangibility and nature of being fixed in space.

Now that i think about, that's make zero sense, why being fixed place means you can't destroy them? I hope in the anime makes sense.

Typo, i meant that he can't. The wind cage is not gonna be super effective anyway, due to the AP.

Possessing exceptional quality or abilities.

You statement don't really imply that trought, but okay.

Being a prodigy says nothing about actual ability so talking about it is a bit pointless, but Ram is indeed a superior prodigy.

It does trought, but sure okay.

Be fr do you actually think you need to be holding a sword to copy someone's breathing.

Well, you say she can copy Breathing Thechniques, where they can create fire and stuff, if you meant total concentration, well...

Having a strain on her body is literally Ram's whole thing.

Ok, so you want to say she can put even MORE strain without declining her combat ability? Like, when Tanjiro tries using total concentration:

He said he felt he gonna almost die, Ram is already running in fuels, if she puts even more pressure on her body, she not gonna last long.

You need strong lungs to do constant breathing, like, strong enough to destroy jars with your breath:

Even if she copy, she won't be able to fully use the constant breathing, before her lungs collapses.
This helps yorichii more actually.

Besides, negative burdens are flowing into Rem at the moment, via Synesthesia.

Ok, so Rem dies because of her lungs collapsing, and Ram loses the ability to share her burden, cool.

Better to forget of her copying constant breathing, is just gonna be a disvantage to her at this point.

Anyway, where is Rem exactly?

 

[Fezzih_007]

How? Especially accelerated development lol.

Considering that she don't have accelerated development in her page-

How do you even get much better than instantly copying techniques that some of the strongest fighters in the world take years to master just from seeing it once and then doing it better than them.

And what you saiyinh is power mimicry, Saying he have better AD is correct, yeah.

• Accelerated Development (Casually defeated an experienced swordsman after his first time holding a sword, and was considered the most talented swordsman despite putting no effort and disliking swords)

You keep talking about his prodigal status and him being better than everyone else.

Specifically Ram, true.

 

[SeijiSetto]

I know next to nothing about Re:Zero, I'm just kinda watching from the sidelines.

The wind cage is not gonna be super effective anyway, due to the AP.

Slashing damage, so it'll be slight limited dura negation.

Well, you say she can copy Breathing Thechniques, where they can create fire and stuff, if you meant total concentration, well...

Breathing techniques don't create anything. It's all just visualisation, I believe.

Ram has resistance to Analytical Prediction on her profile, as well as Damage Reduction/Attack Reflection via dancing in concert with her opponent's attacks or deflecting them away - isn't that a pretty big factor here when dealing with someone stronger than her?

 

[Passersby]

How? Especially accelerated development lol. How do you even get much better than instantly copying techniques that some of the strongest fighters in the world take years to master just from seeing it once and then doing it better than them.

Yoriichi's very first fight was as a 7 year old without prior training with a sword instructor who was simply humoring him and only taught him how to properly hold a sword and he still won that fight almost instantly. Yoriichi also didn't receive buffs since they were present from the very moment he was born since he already had the Demon Slayer Mark and Transparent World as a newborn baby and kokushibo took longer to learn an inferior version of what he is capable of and kokushibo was the same as since nobody was able to learn his Breathing Style either , He is the best swordsman that the Demon Slayer Corps had in a 1000 years history with him being far above said Kokushibo even after he trained for 500 years as a demon who doesn't sleep and is obsessed with surpassing him, Yoriichi's talent is considered to be downright divine by the characters who know him and kokushibo is no exeption as he described as the sun to which every human would want to touch but could only writh on the ground and turn to dust in despair because they never and never will, himself included

he also made the The Breathing Styles during his time in the Demon Slayer Corps which are Flame Breathing, Water Breathing, Lightning Breathing, Wind Breathing and Stone Breathing. he is the person responsible for what is considered the golden age of demon hunters with his generation of demon hunters being unmatched despite 500 years having passed since then until the main cast came to be. This is the impact he had on an organization that already existed for 500 years before he came along and he was only part of the organization for less than 7 years

he is way above tanjiro who can spontaneously create modified versions of his Forms to adapt to a situation or opponent and he does this himself against muzan where despite only seeing him once, and despite said opponent's physic being unique and one of it's kind, having no set form and being constantly changing in unpredictable patterns, he was able to create an entire new technique dedicated to slashing all the weaknesses despite their appearent chaotic behavior then master it and use it on the spot

he is the progenitor of all the Breathing Styles which became the primary fighting styles used by the Demon Slayer Corps which means that he is the progenitor of not just a fighting style but the progenitor of an entire branch of fighting styles with each having their own strenghts and weaknesses, each focusing on either speed flexibility defense offense etc

Yoriichi made a power system that gave impetus to human evolution as soon as he started fighting, he made a sword style no one could even learn even with him there actively teaching them how to learn it and kokushibo, the seocnd most talented in the series took longer to learn an inferior version of what he is capable of which is the moon breathing and even that was the same as since nobody was able to learn that Breathing Style either , He is the best swordsman that the Demon Slayer Corps had in a 1000 years history with him being far above said Kokushibo even after he trained for 500 years as a demon who doesn't sleep and is obsessed with surpassing him,

his talent is considered to be downright divine by the characters who know him and kokushibo is no exeption as he described as the sun to which every human would want to touch but could only writh on the ground and turn to dust in despair because they never and never will, himself included even when he himself is a genius whose sword style could never be passed down for the same reason as yoriichi's sword style, no matter how much battle experience ley absorbed and the techniques he merged, i don't know where he scales in terms of info analysis adaptibilty and talent compared to yoriichi

merging techniques?

even tanjiro is able to merge the hinokami kagura dance with the water breathing to create an entire new fighting style to deal with the situation he was in and he was proficient in neither, let alone yoriichi who not only made all the breathing styles, he is more than likely proficient in all of them and he scales way above tanjiro in basically everything

• yoriichi's analytical prediction works in a way where he doesn't focus anywhere, he analyzes his oponent's movements and adjusts his attacks and next moves based on the infomration he preceived, any move ram makes yoriichi will adapt to and make countermeasures against so there is no way for her to even do anything
• even if she see him focus his power somewhere she doesn't know where he is going to attack and what sword form he will use, and even then he scales way above tanjiro who was able to change the Form he was using in the middle of his sword swing on two occasions in his first key so he can change the swing any time he wants and decpaitate her
• the STW works even if you're blind
• he can manipulate his blood flow and instantly make a technnique tailor made to counter an opponent after just seeing them once
• tell how strong an opponent is at first glance

scales way above tanjrio who could

• adapt to fighting in a room where the orientation of gravity was constantly rotating while having broken ribs and a broken leg that weren't fully healed
• continuously dodge a total of six balls that were controlled by someone with Vector Manipulation that made them constantly follow him
• managed to defeat Yoriichi Type Zero with its six arms and swords and 108 techniques in the swordsmith village arc, that's a doll as well so zero intent behind each attack
• was able to create Waltz Flash to boost his speed based on a memory of Zenitsu explaining his Breath of Thunder while chasing uppermoon 4 despite this being a difficult thing to do.
• can spontaneously create modified versions of his Forms to adapt to a situation or opponent.
• can merge two fighting styles while being proficient in neither

scales above kokushibo who can reads someone's genome in seconds and accurately determine their ancestry

i made quite a bit of arguments for that really, instead of copying a technique he will make one that counters it, which is a hell lot more effective

and as far as it's concerned, no re:zero character has informaion analysis on this level

scales above kokushibo who can reads someone's genome in seconds and accurately determine their ancestry

You keep talking about his prodigal status and him being better than everyone else.

because with his feats, he is, unless i'm missing something

Please tell me why you think analyzing every part of an opponent would make them immune to Clairvoyance. Yoriichi still needs to put strength into whatever parts of his body that he's using and look at Ram. Additionally there is no way to know that Clairvoyance even exists. His aim will be read.

immune to ram's claircoyance, according to your description

a technique that lets her share her opponent's field of view- this lets her predict moves based on where they are focussed, where they look,

these are pretty much nullified

allowing her to feel where they are pouring their power, to read them easier than if she was reading their mind.

and i already addressed this

he analyzes his oponent's movements and adjusts his attacks and next moves based on the infomration he preceived, any move ram makes yoriichi will adapt to and make countermeasure against so there is no way for her to even do anything, she does not resist his AP nor precognition and even if she see him focus his power somewhere she doesn't know where he is going to attack, and even then he scales way above tanjiro who was able to change the Form he was using in the middle of his sword swing on two occasions in his first key so he can change the swing any time he wants and decpaitate her

deducing that she is reading his movements is child play and he will act accordingly, like putting more force into a different part of his body, acting as if he is using a form then immediately using another one, manipulating his bloodflow and muscles contractions to confuse her etc, he isn't relying on instincts here either

Knowing what your opponent will do before they do > Knowing what your opponent will do as soon as they do. Ram seeing that Yoriichi can see her biology would in fact be an advantage, since she'd now know one of his abilities.

...and do what?


kokushibo also knows what his opponents will do before they do it, he does so as soon as they think about it, and yoriichi scales far above him, i sound like a broken record at this point

already explained how yoriichi adapts instantly adapts to situations instantly make techniques to counter opponents instantly make new techniques to adapt to situations instantly merge sword styles and he can instantly change his attack midway, she can't

Why would BDE be comparable enough to mana to have equivalent levels of ESP?

Mana is an invisible, intangible, universal energy that is the foundation of reality, and not even most ESP users can sense it. I'd like to know why they're comparable enough that sensing a BDE should be equivalent.

verse equalization rules

Verse equalization: Similar supernatural aspects of verses get equalized in a reasonable fashion. So a supernatural energy that almost everyone in a Verse has, which is necessary to fight the characters of said Verse, will be assumed to be the equivalent energy that the opponents use in their techniques so that a proper fight can happen.

if you want to argue "ram has mana which doesn't exist in DS so he can't sense it therefore there is nothing yoriichi can do so she wins GG" i will just leave

You listed lots of AD and ESP feats but none actually address the issue that you haven't proved he can deal with Clairvoyance.

i did, like multiple times

you have yet to say why they're wrong as well

Your argument for her AP not working against him still doesn't work. First, all AP is reliant on Info Analysis by nature.

Second, suggesting that he can come up with a style to immediately counter an opponent unlike any other he has met is far more ridiculous than suggesting she can copy him. Yoriichi's AP is objectively not as good as Ram's based on your evidence.

that's exactly what he will do, given he already did something way more complex and has the feats to do it

he is way above tanjiro who can spontaneously create modified versions of his Forms to adapt to a situation or opponent and he does this himself against muzan where despite only seeing him once, and despite said opponent's physic being unique and one of it's kind, having no set form and being constantly changing in unpredictable patterns, he was able to create an entire new technique dedicated to slashing all the weaknesses despite their appearent chaotic behavior then master it and use it on the spot

and i wonder if you forgot he scales way above a guy who can casually read someone's genome and accurately detremine his ancestry in seconds

that's the level of info analysis ram has to deal with

sure, she has better AP, but her opponent has

• way better adaptibility
• way better accelerated development
• way better information analysis
• way better skills
• way better battle intelligence

which renders her AP pretty much useless, since his fighting styles hard counters it and he has way too many ways to bypass it, and you still have yet to describe how she can deal with what i said he will do, you can't just say "nah uh, it won't work"

yoriichi's AP relies on his information analysis abilities, which are broken, and paired with his extreme fighting talent adaptibility as well as the ability to instantly modify make and merge techniques depending on the situation and his opponent then isntantly use them, no matter what ram does he will instantly make countermeasures agaisnt it and even make a style dedicated to finishing her off

that's why her AP is ineffective agaisnt him as his attacks are always based on the information he constantly analyze from his opponents which renders any attempt at reading him useless as his future attacks strategies and even techniques will constantly and instantly change depending on the flow of battle and how his opponent moves and attacks

how will she deal with an opponent who always changes his fighting styles and attacks can instantly adapt to any situation can instantly merge techniques can instantly analyze an opponent on his first glance has way better information analysis way better battle intelligence has an entire branch of fighting styles on his arsenal is way more talented....i really am a broken record

Countering as soon as your opponent acts is not as impressive as countering before your opponent thinks to act. Ram will always be a step ahead because of this, you just haven't shown that he can trump AP that is superior to mind reading.

i kind of already did, multiple times really, he also scales higher than the guy i told you halts his opponents's attacks the second the think about them, not as soon as they start, he halts them before they do, and for three opponents at that

it would have been way easier and smoother had he been fighting a single opponent

This is just IA that isn't as impressive as the IA shown in RZ.

you showed nothing on the level of fighting way more skilled opponents while unconscious?

aren't you just assuming things at this point

It's not, the text literally showcases and states through both Elsa and Ley that a repeated attack will be countered/dodged, as Beatrice's Minya spam and Emilia's Ice Brand Arts were countered by them and said that they couldn't reach after 1000 times, plus it can be countered by having the skill to trick this adaptive AP, it's not flawless.

that still does not showcase the ability to instantly adapt to a technique from an opponent way more skilled than they are and making it ineffective

No matter how superior your senses are said to be, nor how highly scale from an ESP feat, it will not lead to having another layer of ESP. And reacting while sleeping is just enhanced senses.

you kinda said it yourself

reacting while sleeping is just enhanced senses.

it's a pretty simple explanation

1 invisible attacks are as such because they can't be sensed
2 a character who can sens invisible attacks normally couldn't sens another one
3 the character senses aren't strong enough to sens this invisible attack



yoriichi has far better senses, so he can most likely sens or "see" the attack, that simple

unless there is somehow a loop or a fallacy in this logic, this stands correct

Ram's power mimicry is shown to be able to copy martial techniques- which is what Yoriichi uses. She has lungs, and a circulatory system, and can copy techniques. How on earth is that a NLF?

because for one this is a technique said to be impossible to learn by anyone and two her body sucks and her lungs will collapse as soon as she tries to and three she is a demon and this is a breathing style/a power system used for humans

Again, it's a layer. He isn't gaining a layer to his hax through AD.

if by "layer" you mean better senses, he absolutely will

Ram is indeed a superior prodigy.

said no one ever, there is no feats proving that and significantly more feats proving yoriichi is way better

Breathing techniques don't create anything. It's all just visualisation, I believe.

Ram has resistance to Analytical Prediction on her profile, as well as Damage Reduction/Attack Reflection via dancing in concert with her opponent's attacks or deflecting them away - isn't that a pretty big factor here when dealing with someone stronger than her?

not really when agaisnt someone way superior in terms of skills and with a huge AP advantage he can one shot you with



i am kinda tired of this tbh

 

[VortechsTG]

You need strong lungs to do constant breathing, like, strong enough to destroy jars with your breath:

You are one of the most unserious people I have ever met, honestly.

 

[Passersby]

You are one of the most unserious people I have ever met, honestly.

yeah but being serious sucks tho

he cool

 

[Zabazab]

Ram has resistance to Analytical Prediction on her profile

I think the outright resistance is currently being brought into question due to resistances being meant to be non active/skill based(?), but she absolutely has still has several ways to counter analytical prediction, such as this, and this, and this:

Declaring with apparent disgust, Ram twisted her frame as her elbow rebuff drilled into the air.

Slashed upon touch, broke bones upon striking, a fearsome technique which pierced even into the insides, this was being performed lacking all frugality, as she fired a chain of strikes utilizing all of her limbs.

These were not moves governed by simply physical ability or technique.

Had it been brought forth by pure finesse, then Batenkaitos, who reconstructed all kinds of techniques of the past and the present, of east and west, relying on the Memories of eaten opponents, could have surely dealt with it.

However, Ram’s battle techniques marked a concise difference from that.

Ram: “――――”

Stepping in, the elbow and knee strikes which Ram fired changed their velocity midway through. That was because Ram clad herself in wind magic which she specialized in, and wove truth and myth together in the midst of the battle.

Accelerating or decelerating speed with wind, she derailed Batenkaitos’s cognizance as he counterattacked. In the end, Ram utilized wind and scattered her presence in all directions, and whilst slipping into the opponent’s blind spot with nimble carriage of her body, struck countless fatal blows.

 

[SeijiSetto]

if by "layer" you mean better senses, he absolutely will

A layer does not mean better. A layer would be sensing something specifically designed or otherwise stated to be un-sense-able by someone who already has the ability. Having better senses than Kokushibo =/= having more layers.

i kind of already did, multiple times really, he also scales higher than the guy i told you halts his opponents's attacks the second the think about them, not as soon as they start, he halts them before they do, and for three opponents at that

Stopping an attack before they start < Stopping an attack before they think about it, assuming what was said is true.

Anyway uh-

Ram has resistance to Analytical Prediction on her profile

Unless Yoriichi's A-precog is layered (i.e he predicted something that already had an established resistance to prediction), this completely nullifies STW.

 

[Passersby]

A layer does not mean better. A layer would be sensing something specifically designed or otherwise stated to be un-sense-able by someone who already has the ability. Having better senses than Kokushibo =/= having more layers.

so it implies it bypasses the senses of someone who can normally sens such attacks, meaning his senses are lacking the means to sens this attack, exactly what i said


why is someone with significantly better senses affected by this again?

Stopping an attack before they start < Stopping an attack before they think about it, assuming what was said is true.

never denied that

Anyway uh-

Unless Yoriichi's A-precog is layered (i.e he predicted something that already had an established resistance to prediction), this completely nullifies STW.

she does not resist his kind of AP in any way shape or form


may or may not stop arguing for a while

 

[Fezzih_007]

Slashing damage, so it'll be slight limited dura negation.

Hm, din't exactly trought about that, true.

Breathing techniques don't create anything. It's all just visualisation, I believe.

I know, i said that with "quotation marks" there, saying creating.
They just make you think that is fire or water there. Which is kinda stupid but okay

Ram has resistance to Analytical Prediction on her profile,

The problem she don't resist Yori-San type of Analytical prediction.

as well as Damage Reduction/Attack Reflection via dancing in concert with her opponent's attacks or deflecting them away - isn't that a pretty big factor here when dealing with someone stronger than her?

Would help if she not dealing with someone using a Katana.

You are one of the most unserious people I have ever met, honestly.

Is that a compliment? You flatter me

 

[Fezzih_007]

may or may not stop arguing for a while

i am kinda tired of this tbh

I bet, this seems to going in circles.

 

[Passersby]

I bet, this seems to going in circles.

it kind of is

anyways, i'll be sleeping now


good night pal

 

[Fezzih_007]

Good night

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

First of all BDA works completely differently when compared to mana and secondly you need multiple layers of ESP to be able to sense it while BDAs are just simple attacks. I dont think verse equalization covers that

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Also i was thinking about it and I think Ram will be able to copy sun breathing and even Total concentration breathing becuz firstly the strain she is in under just by existing is far far worse and in this key that burden has been removed from her. She could probably figure out some way to keep her lungs from exploding while doing so with wind magic and. Remember this is the same girl that straight up copied an authority... an ability supposed to be breaking the rules of the world, just by sensing it


She will probably get amps becuz of that in this fight

 

[Fezzih_007]

Also i was thinking about it and I think Ram will be able to copy sun breathing

Without a sword, she won't.

and even Total concentration breathing becuz firstly the strain she is in under just by existing is far far worse

The point is, she gonna be having more burden on her If she try to copy this techiniques.

Her own burden+The strain that the breathing techniques is gonna wear her down even more.

and in this key that burden has been removed from her.

Not really, she transfering her pain to Rem, If Rem does because of her lungs collapsing, Ram won't be able to fight anymore.

The above won't happen If Ram lungs collapses First trought.

She could probably figure out some way to keep her lungs from exploding while doing so with wind magic

Against a opponent that is stronger than her, and can blitz her at any moment, and trying to not die, that seems like a disvantage at this point.

And saying "She could probally do something using her Wind magic" Is not really a good enough argument, what exactly she could do with her Wind magic to stop her lungs from exploding from the strain of the Breathing techniques?

And remember this is the same girl that straight up copied an authority... an ability supposed to be breaking the rules of the world, just by sensing it

Synthesia is already a ability that is kinda similar to Cor Leonis, and Ram modify that ability to fuction the same, which is impressive.

But that don't mean she could replicate Constant breathing, because this ability are not the same in anyway.

She will probably get amps becuz of that in this fight

She will probally die before that, because Yoriichi just gonna blitz her using a breathing technique.