Ram can fight out of sync with her gaze and breathing, while adding feints, and her rapid changes in speed via coating herself in wind combined with her Clairvoyance allows her to nullify the skill gap between herself and Ley Batenkaitos, who is ridiculously more skilled, as he has the martial prowess of tens of thousands of geniuses in every possible style and every possible technique, and thus his predictive skills are off the charts.
fighting out of sync with her gaze and breathing doesn't do much agaisnt a guy whose analytical prediction comes from analyzing your insides, and as stated above he scales way higher than kokushibo who halts attacks the second someone thinks about them and i already explained why her clairvoyance is basically ineffective here as well
yoriichi's analytical prediction works in a way where he doesn't focus anywhere, he analyzes his oponent's movements and adjusts his attacks and next moves based on the infomration he preceived, any move ram makes yoriichi will adapt to and make countermeasure against so there is no way for her to even do anything, she does not resist his AP nor precognition and even if she see him focus his power somewhere she doesn't know where he is going to attack, and even then he scales way above tanjiro who was able to change the Form he was using in the middle of his sword swing on two occasions in his first key so he can change the swing any time he wants and decpaitate her
not to mention his godly accelerated development extreme adaptibilty and information analysis abilities as well the talent to keep up with all of them
he is also way above tanjiro who can spontaneously create modified versions of his Forms to adapt to a situation or opponent and he does this himself against muzan where despite only seeing him once, and despite said opponent's physic being unique and one of it's kind, having no set form and being constantly changing in unpredictable patterns, he was able to create an entire new technique dedicated to slashing all the weaknesses despite their appearent chaotic behavior then master it and use it on the spot
no matter how many geniuses ley absorbed, qualitively none of them are even close to yoriichi's skill and talent level based on the arguments i provided and no matter how many styles he uses, it doesn't matter if he is not as skilled as yoriichi using any of them
i also stated this
he also made the The Breathing Styles during his time in the Demon Slayer Corps which are
Flame Breathing,
Water Breathing,
Lightning Breathing,
Wind Breathing and
Stone Breathing. he is the person responsible for what is considered the golden age of demon hunters with his generation of demon hunters being unmatched despite 500 years having passed since then until the main cast came to be. This is the impact he had on an organization that already existed for 500 years before he came along and he was only part of the organization for less than 7 years
indicating he is the progenitor of all the Breathing Styles which became the primary fighting styles used by the Demon Slayer Corps which means that he is the progenitor of not just a fighting style but the progenitor of an entire branch of fighting styles with each having their own strenghts and weaknesses, each focusing on either speed flexibility defense offense etc
no matter how many fighting styles ley has in his arsenal yoriichi at the very least has some basic knowledge on each of them and with his adaptibilty feats i highly doubt he wouldn't find a way to counter them like he did with muzan's phisyc
and describing yoriichi as just a "genius" is insulting him really
but i derailed from the topic, point is unless you give actual skill feats for the guy, he is still less skilled
Why not? Her own analytical prediction is outright superior to literally reading the mind,
...your reasoning for this is what lost me
because a fighter like Ram is on the level where thinking and action must either be simultaneous, or action must come before thought, otherwise that fraction of delay will be instantly exploited, potentially lethally.
everyone of the pillars is on that level
kokushibo is able to accurately deduce the opponent's next move via analyzing the blood flow in said blood vessels and for three opponents like it's nothing and even analyzing the battlefield and his opponents while he is at it and calmly unleashing the best countermeasure for each technique or move they're trying to use at the same time
gyomei was dodging kokushibo's attacks while simultaneously anlyzing hos he is able to predict them and thinking/ looking for countermeasures, sanemi is literally able to keep on fighting and unleashing techniques while unconscious, in fact tanjiro has been fighting while simultaneously analyzing them ever since season 1!
he wasn't even close to being close to pillar level in terms of skills at that time and that was something like second nature to him
that's really nothing much
Why would wind magic be useless if he can't see the invisible winds and can't sense the mana that forms them? His ESP is stated to be for sensing presences/hostility/demons etc, not seeing invisible objects.
i bleive i stated why above
invisible attacks don't mean much and i already addressed why, if anything, akaza has demonstrated invisible shockwave attacks that Rengoku, Giyu and Tanjiro were perfectly capable of fighting back against with rengoku being quickly able to understand them despite having no prior knowledge. There is also the fact that Akaza cannot defeat Kokushibo despite his skill and capabilities and Yoriichi would scale way above Kokushibo, Rengoku, Giyu and Tanjiro, her wind magic is basically useless here
There is a
demon in Kimetsu no Yaiba with similar attacks that cannot be detected via ordinary senses and Tanjiro with his Extrasensory Perception couldn't perceive them either until he received assistence regarding that. That demon is still considered weak by the standards of the Twelve Demon Moons and the Pillars so i don't see how yoriichi would struggle with invisible attacks
and it's not like ram somehow also has the selfless state as well, he may not have any intent to speak of but she does, he can read and sens that from miles away, in fact he scales far above rengoku who can sens and react to attacks with zero intent behind them
Someone like Ley didn't see her wind until it hit him, and he's above the level of say Julius, who instinctively react to invisible attacks.
yoriichi is way superior to sanemi who can fight opponents like kokushibo while he is unconscious, i bleive i already told you he scales way above all the characters who can easily counter and analyze invisible attacks with no prior knowledge about them so i still can't see how invisible attacks will work here
She can also create walls of stationary wind blades which are stated to be immovably fixed in space, so just trapping him in an invisible blender-envelope is an option.
which will never happen, you're extremely understimating yoriichi's battle intelligence at this point it's not like he will just casually let that happen while standing still
even tanjiro can deduce his opponent's abilities even if they offers no real details on it by picking up subtle phrases and words used throughout their fights to deduce the ability, as well as create new forms and fighting styles to use depending on the opponent and the situation he is in as well constantly adapt to all of them, and yoriichi scales far above anything tanjiro can ever do, ram is is up against a genius with skill talent and battle intelligence on a much higher level than hers to the point it's funny (from the feats shown)
invisible attacks are shown to be nothing much in KNY as a demon with said attacks as a BDA was considered fodder,
and even then, he scales way above giyuu who managed to counter 100 invisible attacks that were surrounding him and striking from everywhere at the same time and that with an AP disatvantage, it's the opposite here
This is a strawman of unfathomable proportions. Please actually think about what I am saying. This makes me really not want to talk to you. Luckily I know you don't seem to normally approach discussing like this.
...i mean
That means different things in different verses. Especially ReZero where skill is talent based. Any strong fighter is literally born with Analytical Prediction. Experience is next to meaningless here.
how am i supposed to interpret this differently?
you said
skill is talent based, experience is next to meaningless here
from what i understood, that means experience isn't a deciding factor for skills and shouldn't be taken to account, which i disagreed with
i can't see how it's a straw man
That is absolutely not what's happening here. I am baffled as to how you could possibly reach that conclusion.
because you said this
That means different things in different verses. Especially ReZero where skill is talent based.
that's why i tought you were focusing on the talent factor and ignoring the experience factor in demon slayer
No, it doesn't. Experience is just a way to gain power and skill. It says absolutely nothing about the actual power and skill they obtain. That varies from verse to verse. Him having more experience does not automatically make him more skilled. That requires actual feats to prove.
having more battle experience means you're more accustomed to battle and thus can deal with attacks and skills you've dealt with before eaiser, but i can see your point
i apologize for the miscomunication, i truly did not mean it
edit: and it's time i sleep, may not be able to respond till tommorow
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