Nonduality or Transduality for The Primordial - God of war

[Georredannea15]

so verse now just need mention light and darkness, no need to elaborate, they get duality???, then predate light and darkness mean you nonduality??, lol

Well, the main argument is that the primordials are outside and independent of them, but also exist before them (existing before them is just an additional supporting element).

 

[Vietthai96]

Are you even understand what i mean in my comment???, you literally implied that a verse only need to have light and darkness thus they have a dual system because it is one of the most cited examples of dualism without the need to elaborate, i'm not talking about GoW

 

[KLOL506]

Non duality ? So it become less strict now ? Light of Alfheim Nonduality too then (stated to be transcend life and death) ? i believe life and death are implied to be dual system in GoW. (souls in GoW has CM type 3 properties btw)

Please don't derail

 

[SYPHe5D]

Since when do you need a hyper specific statement for the said verse treating these as dualities ? Dualities exist naturally in the world though ? That’s like saying 1+1 is not 2 or effect can exist without cause since the verse was never stated to treat them as dualities ( or intertwined)

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

the fact that we need statements at all is concerning. But that's entertainment for me.

 

[KLOL506]

This is why I don't engage in threads concerning duality talk.

 

[FeebasExE]

Since when do you need a hyper specific statement for the said verse treating these as dualities ? Dualities exist naturally in the world though ?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

That’s like saying 1+1 is not 2 or effect can exist without cause since the verse was never stated to treat them as dualities ( or intertwined)

What the verse never did was grant Immunity. You're just assuming things that wasn't implied anywhere.


Has the wiki considered the fact that a verse can introduce dualistic things without any sort of immunity. So why is the default assumption immunity when immunity is the highest form of resistance that can be given to anyone for nothing short of some two beings in a verse who exist as two sides of a coin

The burden of proof is on you.

 

[Georredannea15]

Has the wiki considered the fact that a verse can introduce dualistic things without any sort of immunity. So why is the default assumption immunity when immunity is the highest form of resistance that can be given to anyone for nothing short of some two beings in a verse who exist as two sides of a coin

The burden of proof is on you.

Because it's not some kind of resistance, it's that primordials's nature is outside of it and indepented to it.


Just like water is always immune and unaffected to fire.

In this case, it is up to you to prove the opposite, because here we say "1+1=2", but you say "no, it is not in the verse", then the burden of proof is on you, not us.

 

[SYPHe5D]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.


What the verse never did was grant Immunity. You're just assuming things that wasn't implied anywhere.


Has the wiki considered the fact that a verse can introduce dualistic things without any sort of immunity. So why is the default assumption immunity when immunity is the highest form of resistance that can be given to anyone for nothing short of some two beings in a verse who exist as two sides of a coin

The burden of proof is on you.

1- the Sagan standard will only apply if I’m making an extraordinary claim while im not, I’m basically stating the simplest examples of these dualités and why they already exist naturally, it is not my burden to prove anything in fact it is YOUR burden to prove that the verse doesn’t operate under the said principles.

 

[Georredannea15]

Since when do you need a hyper specific statement for the said verse treating these as dualities ?

Meh... You don't need something like that. Even if you look at dualism, Yin-Yang are fundamental and opposites that permeate throughout reality.

 

[Gasper]

Because it's not some kind of resistance, it's that primordials's nature is outside of it and indepented to it.


Just like water is always immune and unaffected to fire.

In this case, it is up to you to prove the opposite, because here we say "1+1=2", but you say "no, it is not in the verse", then the burden of proof is on you, not us.

No, you need prove that Primordials are outside and independent of dualities/concepts.

 

[Gasper]

Meh... You don't need something like that. Even if you look at dualism, Yin-Yang are fundamental and opposites that permeate throughout reality.

That's why Yin and Yang are not Non Dual. They are just all opposite concepts/dualities, that's it.

 

[SYPHe5D]

No, you need prove that Primordials are outside and independent of dualities/concepts.

So you are arguing the primordials do not exist outside of the dualities cause they themselves are the concept ?

 

[Georredannea15]

No, you need prove that Primordials are outside and independent of dualities/concepts.

Lmao we already did and that's not even the point. But what's wrong with him is he thinks these are not dualities

Here we say "1+1=2" but he says "it is not like that in the verse". Then the burden of proof is on him.

 

[Georredannea15]

That's why Yin and Yang are not Non Dual. They are just all opposite concepts/dualities, that's it.

...So? What you say is irrelevant, no one denies it anyway.

 

[SYPHe5D]

Yeah no the burden is on FEEbas he is basically asserting that the verse doesn’t operate under the assumption of dualistic concepts naturally existing even tho that is an extraordinary claim to make 1+1 will always equate to 2 unless you can prove that the verse is contradicting these rules.

 

[Gasper]

So you are arguing the primordials do not exist outside of the dualities cause they themselves are the concept ?

Yes. And there is nothing to suggest they are outside of it in the first place.

Lmao we already did and that's not even the point. But what's wrong with him is he thinks these are not dualities

Here we say "1+1=2" but he says "it is not like that in the verse". Then the burden of proof is on him.

What is the argument again? I don't remember anything other than "they predate them" and "Morpheus merged two opposing realities together".

...So? What you say is irrelevant, no one denies it anyway.

Then why are you bringing it up?

 

[Andika_CL_atmadja]

Verses like DC are being contested if it actually has Transduality and Characters like Lord Chaos and Master Order don't even have Transduality in their first key even though they created the In-Betweener. And they all have far better arguments for Non dualism than GoW.

Does it have anti-feats tho ? sometimes simplicity are the best way to obtain and maintain feats. (DC is very complicated verse than GoW tbh)

 

[SYPHe5D]

Either way let’s not derail the thread and wait for more staff input.

 

[Vietthai96]

the fact that we need statements at all is concerning. But that's entertainment for me.

i don't think we need hyperspecific or direct statement, but we still need some establishment from the verse itself, or else everyone could get nonduality just by being predate reality

 

[Georredannea15]

i don't think we need hyperspecific or direct statement, but we still need some establishment from the verse itself, or else everyone could get nonduality just by being predate reality

That's not the only thing, it's just a supporting criterion but whatever...

 

[SYPHe5D]

i don't think we need hyperspecific or direct statement, but we still need some establishment from the verse itself, or else everyone could get nonduality just by being predate reality

I’m pretty sure Fixxed is arguing that the primordials will be non dual via pre dating both merpheus’s realm and the mortal realm which was established to be a duality with the whole other side of the same coin analogy.

 

[Andika_CL_atmadja]

Helios (Sun) banishing nyx (night) every night can be argued that light and darkness is dual system in Greek GoW (Someone probably can describe better). Light and darkness are CM type 1 level at this point.

 

[Georredannea15]

Helios banishing nyx every night can be considered that light and darkness is dual system in Greek GoW (Someone probably can describe better). Light and darkness are CM type 1 level at this point.

I don't think it's necessarily at type 1 cm level. But if these are even independent of reality, maybe.

 

[Gasper]

Helios banishing nyx every night can be considered that light and darkness is dual system in Greek GoW (Someone probably can describe better). Light and darkness are CM type 1 level at this point.

No it can't what? Night and day is a duality by necessity but that isn't Non-duality.

 

[Andika_CL_atmadja]

I don't think it's necessarily at type 1 cm level. But if these are even independent of reality, maybe.

how about CM type 2

 

[Georredannea15]

No it can't what? Night and day is a duality by necessity but that isn't Non-duality.

There isn't even a relationship between non-duality and Type 1 CM.... You seem a bit confused.

 

[SYPHe5D]

No it can't what? Night and day is a duality by necessity but that isn't Non-duality.

Uh gasper I’m pretty sure the primordials pre dating that dual system will be non dual for them.

 

[Gasper]

Uh gasper I’m pretty sure the primordials pre dating that dual system will be non dual for them.

That's not how this works.

 

[SYPHe5D]

There isn't even a relationship between non-duality and Type 1 CM.... You seem a bit confused.

No need for an over reaction, im pretty sure gasper is miss understanding something.

 

[SYPHe5D]

That's not how this works.

Is it ? To my knowledge pre dating a dual system will be non dual for them according to the standards.

 

[Gasper]

There isn't even a relationship between non-duality and Type 1 CM.... You seem a bit confused.

What are you even on about, seriously.
Where did i ever imply that? You are the one that seems confused here.

 

[Gasper]

Is it ? To my knowledge pre dating a dual system will be non dual for them according to the standards.

What standards? You mean the ones that don't even specify how you get Non-Dualism?

 

[Georredannea15]

What are you even on about, seriously.
Where did i ever imply that? You are the one that seems confused here.

Bro, he asked whether this would be type 1 CM or not, and you gave an irrelevant answer by saying "no, it is not, day and night are a duality, but it is not a non-duality." I think there is no need to extend and discuss further, it would be better for Planck or KLOL to delete unnecessary comments from this point on

 

[Gasper]

Bro, he asked whether this would be type 1 CM or not, and you gave an irrelevant answer by saying "no, it is not, day and night are a duality, but it is not a non-duality." I think there is no need to extend and discuss further, it would be better for Planck or KLOL to delete unnecessary comments from this point on

"Helios banishing nyx every night can be considered that light and darkness is dual system in Greek GoW" i was responding to that. I think ya'll are confused on what duality is.

 

[KLOL506]

Holy **** what is with the derailing here

 

[SYPHe5D]

Holy **** what is with the derailing here

Don’t know.

 

[KLOL506]

@Ultima_Reality @DontTalkDT Help. Please.

 

[Fixxed]

Well this thread being too long for something not necessary being discuss here

Predate something is mean unbound by that, unless you can prove otherwise. Standard??? Bruh we literally give CM 1 for concept that predating reality, that mean we assume that predating reality will make that concept exist independently from reality

Something that few people forget that, morpheus not only exist independently from duality, but also in the state of oneness because he can merge the duality into one indivisible reality. State of oneness or simultenously A and B is already a nonduality state even before this current standars being apply

 

[Georredannea15]

Actually, this is both A and not A. It does a few truth cases like A and B, but whatever...