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This is primarily a continuation of this thread, where a thread that intended to gain a regeneration factor from Existence Erasure, but ended up being contested based on other words and showings.
It ended up leading to different talks of "is this truly EE", and "I'll make a thread based on it". Instead of that, I'll just tackle it here, in order to organize the arguments on the current side, in hope of fleshing out the ability on the profile.
Moria is able to remove the shadows of people, and that puts the character in a very weird state where they are ignored by light. Light passes through them and doesn't produce a shadow, and it doesn't bounce off of them into mirrors or cameras.
Instead, that shadow is solidified and placed into a different body, and you aren't capable of forming a shadow.
A more harsh phenomenon brought by that is when sunlight hits them. When sunlight hits them, they flat out stop existing.
Usually this was brought up from the mistranslations, but these are the translations done by Stephen Paul, which are usually better than the Viz ones, since he took over Viz.
"One can no longer exist in the world of light."
"I witnessed a man with the same condition vanish underneath the bright sun...!!"
"If I were to leave this sea with you, t'would only be a matter of time before my body disintegrated."
"However, a person who's shadow has been drawn out will be extinguished/vanish if hit by direct sunlight."
"You'll be disintegrated!!!"
"Help me! My hands are vanishing!!"
"Their bodies are disintegrating!!!"
"Aaaahhh!! They're vanishing!!"
"When the sun hit us, we were on the verge of vanishing,"
"I'm just glad nobody vanished on us."
The counters to said thread are things like "even though it says they're erased, they turned to dust, it says things other than erasure like 'disintegration'," yadayadayada
Basically Existence Erasure vs Deconstruction or whatever other method of destruction.
The statements brought up in the previous thread of "melting" and such make no sense, as they were mistranslations AND they clearly weren't melting.
Now, I've scanned the manga, and the 2 statements that speak about existing have been translated by @Arc7Kuroi (thank you Arc), mainly the ones underlined.
"Having one’s “shadow” taken from you means one won’t be able to exist in a world of light."
This notes that they just can't exist in light.
Now normally this could mean "they're weak to light", which is true, but that would just be vague and it would point to things like vampires in light or fish out of water, who clearly don't get erased from existence when they're in those places..
But this next statement contextualizes it much more than the previous one.
"Getting hit by the morning sun had caused its “existence” to start disappearing but by a hair’s breadth, returning to the shadows resuscitated it."
This notes that their existences were actually being erased, as their existences in itself started to disappear.
These would solidify that their existences were being erased.
The sayings of characters disintegrating would mean that they're being broken apart, which, in this scenario, wouldn't really be a counter to existence erasure.
Throughout fiction, characters with statements of erasure show the visual effects of leaving small amounts of dust in the air. Those aren't counters to EE, just an issue with the visual showing.
Just like how Foxy's lasers are beams of photons but they... don't look like them at all. Doesn't really counter it.
Because in that same breath, those characters were stated to be "vanishing". And the definition of vanishing is to disappear suddenly and completely, which fits with being erased.
The only statement we get outside of the manga for this is the one from the magazine's explanation on the devil fruit (much more reliable than some randoms screaming about effects), which says
"However, a person who's shadow has been drawn out will be extinguished/vanish if hit by direct sunlight."
And them vanishing ends up leading towards them disappearing from existence, or EE.
This is supported by the fact that there needs to be a part of the body that still exists in order for them to be resurrected, and if they were turned to dust, that wouldn't be a problem. Them being dust would still give their shadows something to latch back on to, which wouldn't be an issue if their dust was still there for them to connect with.
So on that note, it's confirmed that
A. In the scenarios shown here from Chapter 443, 482, and 483, the characters aren't just being vaporized, they're actually being erased from existence.
B. The statements of them vanishing aid the statements of their existences disappearing.
Now where does that work in the grand scheme of things?
This would solidly be Existence Erasure.
Therefore, the phenomenon where a person without a shadow stands in the path of sunlight, their existence would end up being erased.
This would count at limited EE, as this only happens when the sun is out and requires him to take their shadows and stand in the sun
Agree: KingTempest, Planck69, UchihaSlayer96
Disagree: Crabwhale, Deagonx,
Neutral:
It ended up leading to different talks of "is this truly EE", and "I'll make a thread based on it". Instead of that, I'll just tackle it here, in order to organize the arguments on the current side, in hope of fleshing out the ability on the profile.
Moria is able to remove the shadows of people, and that puts the character in a very weird state where they are ignored by light. Light passes through them and doesn't produce a shadow, and it doesn't bounce off of them into mirrors or cameras.
Instead, that shadow is solidified and placed into a different body, and you aren't capable of forming a shadow.
A more harsh phenomenon brought by that is when sunlight hits them. When sunlight hits them, they flat out stop existing.
Usually this was brought up from the mistranslations, but these are the translations done by Stephen Paul, which are usually better than the Viz ones, since he took over Viz.
"One can no longer exist in the world of light."
"I witnessed a man with the same condition vanish underneath the bright sun...!!"
"If I were to leave this sea with you, t'would only be a matter of time before my body disintegrated."
"However, a person who's shadow has been drawn out will be extinguished/vanish if hit by direct sunlight."
"You'll be disintegrated!!!"
"Help me! My hands are vanishing!!"
"Their bodies are disintegrating!!!"
"Aaaahhh!! They're vanishing!!"
"When the sun hit us, we were on the verge of vanishing,"
"I'm just glad nobody vanished on us."
The counters to said thread are things like "even though it says they're erased, they turned to dust, it says things other than erasure like 'disintegration'," yadayadayada
Basically Existence Erasure vs Deconstruction or whatever other method of destruction.
The statements brought up in the previous thread of "melting" and such make no sense, as they were mistranslations AND they clearly weren't melting.
Now, I've scanned the manga, and the 2 statements that speak about existing have been translated by @Arc7Kuroi (thank you Arc), mainly the ones underlined.
"Having one’s “shadow” taken from you means one won’t be able to exist in a world of light."
This notes that they just can't exist in light.
Now normally this could mean "they're weak to light", which is true, but that would just be vague and it would point to things like vampires in light or fish out of water, who clearly don't get erased from existence when they're in those places..
But this next statement contextualizes it much more than the previous one.
"Getting hit by the morning sun had caused its “existence” to start disappearing but by a hair’s breadth, returning to the shadows resuscitated it."
This notes that their existences were actually being erased, as their existences in itself started to disappear.
These would solidify that their existences were being erased.
The sayings of characters disintegrating would mean that they're being broken apart, which, in this scenario, wouldn't really be a counter to existence erasure.
Throughout fiction, characters with statements of erasure show the visual effects of leaving small amounts of dust in the air. Those aren't counters to EE, just an issue with the visual showing.
Just like how Foxy's lasers are beams of photons but they... don't look like them at all. Doesn't really counter it.
Because in that same breath, those characters were stated to be "vanishing". And the definition of vanishing is to disappear suddenly and completely, which fits with being erased.
The only statement we get outside of the manga for this is the one from the magazine's explanation on the devil fruit (much more reliable than some randoms screaming about effects), which says
"However, a person who's shadow has been drawn out will be extinguished/vanish if hit by direct sunlight."
And them vanishing ends up leading towards them disappearing from existence, or EE.
This is supported by the fact that there needs to be a part of the body that still exists in order for them to be resurrected, and if they were turned to dust, that wouldn't be a problem. Them being dust would still give their shadows something to latch back on to, which wouldn't be an issue if their dust was still there for them to connect with.
So on that note, it's confirmed that
A. In the scenarios shown here from Chapter 443, 482, and 483, the characters aren't just being vaporized, they're actually being erased from existence.
B. The statements of them vanishing aid the statements of their existences disappearing.
Now where does that work in the grand scheme of things?
This would solidly be Existence Erasure.
Therefore, the phenomenon where a person without a shadow stands in the path of sunlight, their existence would end up being erased.
This would count at limited EE, as this only happens when the sun is out and requires him to take their shadows and stand in the sun
Agree: KingTempest, Planck69, UchihaSlayer96
Disagree: Crabwhale, Deagonx,
Neutral:
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