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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Where's the thread for upgrading Frieza?
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The thread for upgrading Frieza's Planet Vegeta calc is here:
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DBS: Destruction of Planet Vegeta, Frieza Upgrade

So this is the currently used calc for Frieza destroying planet Vegeta, it assumes that Vegeta is the size of earth, however this blog has now put forth a baseline for an average Planet in dragon ball using canon information The calculation for planet Vegeta is identical with one except, the...
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There isn't one on his Namek feat yet
 
AwkguyDB said:
wait so what exactly were the disagreements about?
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Super Shenron's summoning is a zoom out that shows the universe's literal appearencence, with said ligh even physically interacting with them as the scene goes on


this woul imply that the universes are not even low 2-C as they physically appear 3-A, this is the implication of such agreement at least, will make a thread about it later
 
omegabronic said:
Super Shenron's summoning is a zoom out that shows the universe's literal appearencence, with said ligh even physically interacting with them as the scene goes on


this woul imply that the universes are not even low 2-C as they physically appear 3-A, this is the implication of such agreement at least, will make a thread about it later
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That's impossible, since a 3-A universe is literally timeless. Visuals aren't to be taken literally unless Goku is now galaxy sized.
 
omegabronic said:
in that case, the infinite universe thread staff agreed that the depiction in the u6 tournament arc was the literal appearence of them
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That's an appeal to authority,first. not everything staff says is true. One of them was also a calc member/content mod or whatever, which has as much value as a blue member, voting wise.
 
Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
That's an appeal to authority,first. not everything staff says is true. One of them was also a calc member/content mod or whatever, which has as much value as a blue member, voting wise.
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Third, most of these depictions show things like 3-C sized universes, the lack of an afterlife, Kai realm etc. which are clearly not consistent with 99% of in-verse information. Fourth,some of them aren't even meant to be taken literally and are just for explanation purposes.
 
Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
That's an appeal to authority,first. not everything staff says is true. One of them was also a calc member/content mod or whatever, which has as much value as a blue member, voting wise.
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my dude what i am saying is, if the wiki accepted that as the literal appearece to say "no" to infinite universe, then they would also need to accept it to say "no" to tier 2 as well, one needs consistency in beliefs
 
Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
Third, most of these depictions show things like 3-C sized universes, the lack of an afterlife, Kai realm etc. which are clearly not consistent with 99% of in-verse information. Fourth,some of them aren't even meant to be taken literally and are just for explanation purposes.
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about this galaxy argument......no? i don't a singular galaxy in the u6 scene

also why break up your points in multiple comments in sequence instead of a singular one? weird
 
omegabronic said:
about this galaxy argument......no? i don't a singular galaxy in the u6 scene

also why break up your points in multiple comments in sequence instead of a singular one? weird
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Yeah, I was mentioning a previous scene.

You're right,I usually don't break down my comments like that. I'm in a hurry, 'cause I gotta catch the bus.
 
 
Ednaxel2 said:
The thread for upgrading Frieza's Planet Vegeta calc is here:
vsbattles.com

DBS: Destruction of Planet Vegeta, Frieza Upgrade

So this is the currently used calc for Frieza destroying planet Vegeta, it assumes that Vegeta is the size of earth, however this blog has now put forth a baseline for an average Planet in dragon ball using canon information The calculation for planet Vegeta is identical with one except, the...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
There isn't one on his Namek feat yet
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Wait, the thread is closed, has it been agreed upon?
 
Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
Third, most of these depictions show things like 3-C sized universes, the lack of an afterlife, Kai realm etc. which are clearly not consistent with 99% of in-verse information. Fourth,some of them aren't even meant to be taken literally and are just for explanation purposes.
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I did mention this in thread. The claim was that these depictions were “abstractions” of the Universe and that it visually would look like as shown in U6vU7, which I attempted to refute by pointing out how in DB:Kai, DBZ (Toei), and DBS (Manga) all treat the Universe’s appearance as literal replications of the Cosmological Map (though obviously not “to scale” visually given Snake Way, the Kaio Planets, etc.)
 
RedReaper said:
I did mention this in thread. The claim was that these depictions were “abstractions” of the Universe and that it visually would look like as shown in U6vU7, which I attempted to refute by pointing out how in DB:Kai, DBZ (Toei), and DBS (Manga) all treat the Universe’s appearance as literal replications of the Cosmological Map (though obviously not “to scale” visually given Snake Way, the Kaio Planets, etc.)
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When is it shown in Kai? I understand Toei and DBS Manga but I don't recall for Kai
 
RedReaper said:
I did mention this in thread. The claim was that these depictions were “abstractions” of the Universe and that it visually would look like as shown in U6vU7, which I attempted to refute by pointing out how in DB:Kai, DBZ (Toei), and DBS (Manga) all treat the Universe’s appearance as literal replications of the Cosmological Map (though obviously not “to scale” visually given Snake Way, the Kaio Planets, etc.)
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that is impossible, you can't say that a major part of appearence(size and location of structures and the dimensions) is not literal while saying that it is the literal representation, that is self contradictory
 
Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
That's an appeal to authority,first. not everything staff says is true. One of them was also a calc member/content mod or whatever, which has as much value as a blue member, voting wise.
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"Appeal to authority" is not a fallacy that works here.

Since the whole vsbattle is about that. Like, everyone calling it DT or Ultima.

The whole vsbattle is about this.
Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
Consistency is not a thing on VBW. You know that,lol. It's all about favoritism, as much as people don't like to hear that.
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Man, that reminds me of a few things...
 
omegabronic said:
that is impossible, you can't say that a major part of appearence(size and location of structures and the dimensions) is not literal while saying that it is the literal representation, that is self contradictory
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Have you seen a model of the Solar System?

You can clearly see the planets, and the Sun.

But it’s obviously not to scale, because the Sun is so much more massive than Earth or the Moon or Mars that it’s not conceivable to make it as much larger than it needs to be over those other celestial objects outside of just being decently larger/the largest sphere.

However, the model is still visually accurate. The planets are still spheres. The Sun is still in the center. The Earth is still made of water and land. So while the SIZES are NOT TO SCALE, it is STILL an ACCURATE and LITERAL VISUAL representation of the Universe’s APPEARANCE.

Which you have ALREADY AGREED TO in your OWN THREAD on this you linked to me prior. Like I said before, what you are mentioning is IRRELEVANT and you are disagreeing to disagree.
 
Yeah I really hate to admit it but if the visuals of u6 and 7 were accepted as being accurate, we need to take the 2c ratings into questioning too.
 
RedReaper said:
Have you seen a model of the Solar System?

You can clearly see the planets, and the Sun.
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But not the countless asteroids, colorful gasses and what not there is, it is just a representation, not what ot actually looks like

RedReaper said:
But it’s obviously not to scale, because the Sun is so much more massive than Earth or the Moon or Mars that it’s not conceivable to make it as much larger than it needs to be over those other celestial objects outside of just being decently larger/the largest sphere.
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Thus why they are not what the solar system look like, just serving to represent them in a simplyfied manner

RedReaper said:
However, the model is still visually accurate.
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it isn't

RedReaper said:
The planets are still spheres. The Sun is still in the center. The Earth is still made of water and land. So while the SIZES are NOT TO SCALE, it is STILL an ACCURATE and LITERAL VISUAL representation of the Universe’s APPEARANCE.
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You can't say that it is a simplyfied representation while saying that it is how it litterally looks like, that is again, self contradicting, your solar system model allegory doesn't have any value herr since it also isn't an literal representation of what the solar system looks like

RedReaper said:
Which you have ALREADY AGREED TO in your OWN THREAD on this you linked to me prior.
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i didn't, i never did, and the recent rejected threads only comfirms what i always said there

RedReaper said:
Like I said before, what you are mentioning is IRRELEVANT and you are disagreeing to disagree.
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No it isn't when it is the basis for the infinite universe thread to have been rejected, trying to dismiss counters to your argument by saying they are "irrelevant" never works, drop it
 
omegabronic said:
But not the countless asteroids, colorful gasses and what not there is, it is just a representation, not what ot actually looks like
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It is what the objects chosen to be depicted look like, which is the point.
omegabronic said:
Thus why they are not what the solar system look like, just serving to represent them in a simplyfied manner
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I don’t think having a visually accurate outside of size model means that the visual accuracy becomes irrelevant, sorry.
omegabronic said:
it isn't
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It very clearly is. In Kai, DBS: Manga, and Toei Anime.
omegabronic said:
You can't say that it is a simplyfied representation while saying that it is how it litterally looks like, that is again, self contradicting, your solar system model allegory doesn't have any value herr since it also isn't an literal representation of what the solar system looks like
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We literally see the Universe straight on twice (Kai and DBS Manga) and it’s visually identical to the model. It’s not an “abstraction.” It’s not “simplified.” It is the literal appearance of the universe in those instances. To deny that is to literally purposely ignore evidence.
omegabronic said:
i didn't, i never did, and the recent rejected threads only comfirms what i always said there
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It’s literally in your OP.

now you may be thinking, "this only applies to the dbs anime, manga stays the same as it uses the macrocosm map", well, that brings me to my second point 2: the map is clearly not in scale, and you can clearly see the map makes the snake way, which is only 1.000.000 km long, is seemingly 2x the universe in height if put in a horizontal position, also king kai's planet, which is extremely small, is via this map only 14.25x smaller than the entire living universe, so even in the manga, it shouldn't be used to calc since it is clearly out of scale in size.
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It is literally an admission of “this is objectively accurate visually in the manga, but it’s not to scale, thus it’s not useable for calculation.”

Which is what I fully agreed to in thread, because I don’t support Infinite Uni.
omegabronic said:
No it isn't when it is the basis for the infinite universe thread to have been rejected, trying to dismiss counters to your argument by saying they are "irrelevant" never works, drop it
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It is entirely irrelevant. We are talking visual accuracy ignoring the clear size inconsistency of the model. What the universe specifically, and ONLY, looks like without size AT ALL in the question. This is SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE we are comparing the U6vU7 Universe appearance (which also can’t really be to scale, as it would make the universes vastly smaller than we know they are, as pointed out), to that of the cosmological model repeatedly used and shown to be literal in other Dragon Ball mediums.
 
Yeah omega in some kinda Crack.
Using the u6vu7 makes 0 sense because it shows the universes with one galaxy, and without other dimensions. And both anime and manga depict the universe as it shown in the map.
Unless you wanna argue that a macrocosm is only 1 galaxy big, and kaioshin realm and the afterlife don't exist. But what do i know eh
 
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