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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Padaruyos said:
How would you guys incorporate Turles and the ToM to the canon continuity.
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-Saiyans are the descendants of Majin that left the Demon Realm and they evolved from their demonic ape forms into their human forms.
-Turles is an ancient saiyan who possibly fought Yamoshi and has been sealed this entire time
-He somehow ends up free and leads a gang of majin, taking over the Second Demon World
-The Tree of Might is a tree located in the Second Demon World where the Glind (Shin and possibly all the kais) come from
-Turles makes use of the Tree of Might to devour the energies of the Demon Realm, trying to restore the dormant majin power in his blood
-His transformation is a Majin Great Ape
-Ends in Goku defeating him with Ultra Instinct
-Essentially an angelic saiyan overcoming a demonic saiyan
 
Hasty12345 said:
Are there any combat speed feats that can prove the "outlier" stance?

I can't think of any
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That Immeasurable combat speed is an outlier? None immediately come to mind but there are probably at least a few examples. The main argument people use is the 48 minutes of the ToP but it's been pretty heavily critiqued.
 
The outlier argument fundamentally doesn't work on so many levels, not just in Dragon Ball Super's specifc cases but generally across fiction. The Flash has hundreds if not thousands of anti-feats, many of them absolutely vital for the plot to function, and the Flash rightfully still gets immeasurable speed. Not to mention the ToP isnt really much of a slam dunk argument for an outlier anyway.

If Super were to ever get Immeasurable accepted, it'd be a hypertimeline 5D Heros type thing where everyone and their mother would get immeasurable speed afterwards. Then standards will be changed suddenly and for completely unrelated reasons.

Generally I'd focus on infinite universe gettinf accepted first, and Immeasurable speed kind of just hang around as a 'we know it's probably accurate but the site isn't really ready for it yet'.
 
Darkmon_cns said:
Where dose infifnte universes come from? I don't think there's any resource to do that in the maintime line currentttt

And you ment infinte sized universe that makes more sense (is there a discord or something I can join to be looped into that?)
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We have a server, yes, but we lowkey critical of who joins after Luffy leaked a bunch of shit. So you'll have to perform a few tasks

First step, take out your credit card and tell me the three funny numbers on the back
 
Vizer04 said:
Can this speed feat be calculated? It might increase their travel speed.
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Only things we know is that it was "on the other side of the planet" according to a guide, and that it was in a second iirc. Even if the timeframe can't be accepted, Frieza was in the middle of killing Vegeta. So Goku flew from one side of Namek to the other in the time it would take for Frieza's hand to reach Vegeta. And I think Toriyama said Namek was Earth sized? Not sure.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
-Saiyans are the descendants of Majin that left the Demon Realm and they evolved from their demonic ape forms into their human forms.
-Turles is an ancient saiyan who possibly fought Yamoshi and has been sealed this entire time
-He somehow ends up free and leads a gang of majin, taking over the Second Demon World
-The Tree of Might is a tree located in the Second Demon World where the Glind (Shin and possibly all the kais) come from
-Turles makes use of the Tree of Might to devour the energies of the Demon Realm, trying to restore the dormant majin power in his blood
-His transformation is a Majin Great Ape
-Ends in Goku defeating him with Ultra Instinct
-Essentially an angelic saiyan overcoming a demonic saiyan
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Wait you're actually cooking with the Majin Great Ape thing, Oozaru's have pointy ears and it turns them into violent rampaging monsters.
 
Huesito88 said:
Traveling to "another timeline" is not Immeasurable Speed even if the story says it's from sheer speed (I've asked before, it's dimensional travel)
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That's silly, especially if only time machines and time travel mechanics had been used to reach such places before...
 
For those that play Sparking Zero, I gotta ask, does the Fusion get stronger when you fuse the characters in a battle rather than picking them outright from the select screen or it doesn't change anything?

I ask because in BT3 Fusing mid battle resulted in a much stronger fusion.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Generally I'd focus on infinite universe gettinf accepted first, and Immeasurable speed kind of just hang around as a 'we know it's probably accurate but the site isn't really ready for it yet'.
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I mean if Infinite Sized Universe is accepted, then there's zero chance people are just going to leave it alone and not try infinite speed as soon as Infinite Sized Universe is applied
 
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Daima could give a single statement about the Universe being infinite and everything else fits together nicely, but i doubt there will be anything like that, DB has never been one to explain things well.
 
BlastX said:
For those that play Sparking Zero, I gotta ask, does the Fusion get stronger when you fuse the characters in a battle rather than picking them outright from the select screen or it doesn't change anything?

I ask because in BT3 Fusing mid battle resulted in a much stronger fusion.
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yes just like BT3
 
BlastX said:
For those that play Sparking Zero, I gotta ask, does the Fusion get stronger when you fuse the characters in a battle rather than picking them outright from the select screen or it doesn't change anything?

I ask because in BT3 Fusing mid battle resulted in a much stronger fusion.
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As far as I’m aware, this is still the case, yes.
CryoTheMayo said:
-Saiyans are the descendants of Majin that left the Demon Realm and they evolved from their demonic ape forms into their human forms.
-Turles is an ancient saiyan who possibly fought Yamoshi and has been sealed this entire time
-He somehow ends up free and leads a gang of majin, taking over the Second Demon World
-The Tree of Might is a tree located in the Second Demon World where the Glind (Shin and possibly all the kais) come from
-Turles makes use of the Tree of Might to devour the energies of the Demon Realm, trying to restore the dormant majin power in his blood
-His transformation is a Majin Great Ape
-Ends in Goku defeating him with Ultra Instinct
-Essentially an angelic saiyan overcoming a demonic saiyan
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My only change is instead of making Turles as old as Yamoshi, with Saiyans originating from there, it’s that he’s the reverse of Piccolo. When Saiyans left and fled Sadala, whilst a majority made it to Planet Plant, some went into the Demon World. This happened ant the same time the Demons left, allowing them in. Also, I’d keep the Shinseiju (ToM) and Kaiju (World Core Tree) separate, and simply have them share the same planet.

Their exodus changed them via their adaptive and evolutionary capabilities, creating their different anatomy across generations. Then he follows your plot as normal.

I’d explain that reason that the Oozaru have pointy ears is simply the fact Great Apes are a form that feed on the environment. This references GT’s evolutionary schtick with SSJ4, since Toriyama clearly likes doing that and playing with its concepts in Daima. To trigger is the moon, an environmental factor, and the power gain is also partially environmental, sapping the ambient energy from the environment.

Given the wide spread of Demonic Energy in the cosmos due to the exodus of Demon Realm inhabitants, this means many planets are full of residual Demonic Ki. This residual is what triggers those who are so evil that they become Demons turning into Mazoku.

Further, as Saiyans sap it the environment, this means their True Forms are indeed Demonic, but normally they aren’t (hence lack of ears). This also explains part of why Broly’s amp was so abnormally high. As a Demonic Legendary Super Saiyan (as the identical legend of U6 puts it), his mutation is caused by this energy. Then in Ikari, he wasn’t just growing absurdly—He was absorbing the ambient Chi of the planet, and God Ki.

(No, this doesn’t mean he gains God Ki. Saiyans would merely just convert the energy they accept.)

Turles would then be not only a Demonic Saiyan, but a Saiyan trying to achieve Godhood the wrong way. Goku did so with the goodwill of his friends. Turles does it alone, taking advantage of others. Goku worked hard and adapted. Turles steals the Tree of Might and the right of the Gods for his own gain. Goku acts to better himself with pure intentions, Turles acts only to increase his own power and conquer. Further, he mirrors Piccolo.

Born into a Demonic People, the descendant of those forced out of their homeland, fighting for a dead legacy, he understands Turles, and understands why they must fight him. When he was like that, while he had the potential for good, his heart was driven by Pure Evil.

And he mirrors Vegeta, who too had his home stolen by someone else (Frieza), who used to fight for a dead legacy (the Saiyans), and who would also want to fight, as well as save, Turles—Because he was much like himself. A way to absolve himself of the Sins of the Saiyans, by helping a Saiyan who only exists as the negative consequence of rampant battle and classism. As Turles is a Saiyan who is to represent “What if Goku hadn’t bumped his head?” he would be a person who hates the Elite. Not a Vegeta clone of the films, but a fully fleshed and layered hatred.

This also allows him to interface with Gohan, a person who can relate to being in the shadow of another (Goku) and having to fight to exist. He also gets to relate to Broly, who was forcibly ejected due to the heritage of his people by a higher class of Saiyan (King Vegeta) and what the fires of revenge can do to you, through what happened to his father.

Turles rejects enlightenment, rejects the better path, gets defeated, and our heroes end the arc with renewed resolves that resonate with their character arcs.
 
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