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Introductions
Kaguya's ETSO currently scales as Low 4-C per second up to 4-B overtime, and the Low 4-C bit forms the basis of the tier 4 scaling for the verse atm. The per second value comes from assuming a maximum possible timeframe of 15 years, given that she would need her dimension back before Momoshiki in order to fight him with her full arsenal. This thread's purpose is to upgrade that timeframe based upon a far less absurd rationalization, that's supported by the manga rather than postulated headcanon.
Argument
The issue I take with my original proposed timeframe is the assertion of a timeframe despite no timeframe ever given to us, as well as the narrative dissonance it creates in an attack that would take almost 2 decades to complete. To rectify both issues, I'm going to remain agnostic on the timeframe and propose that the energy per second is downscaled to baseline 4-B, utilizing this scan as support for the interpretation.
Upon witnessing the ETSO form, Team 7 is rather urgent in their desire to finish the fight with Kaguya immediately. Kakashi states that if the technique grows to large they won't be able to return to the dimension, and Naruto deduces based upon that sentiment and observation of the technique that they need to seal Kaguya right now. So, we can conclude that the ETSO would destroy the dimension rather quickly, and this is contextualized by characters who at the barest of minimums can move physically faster than characters stated to be able of moving at the speed of lightning, and have feats or scaling that places them well faster than light. It's utterly illogical and contradictory to the provided scan for the technique to take its time for 15 years in this context. Now let's evaluate what is entailed by downscaling to baseline from the full yield.
The ETSO's 4-B is over 5000x above baseline, and as such downscaling the energy per second would entail a timeframe of less than 2 hours. This is an entirely reasonable lowball entailed timeframe, especially given most fights in this series don't last past a couple dozen minutes, only a few scratch the length of hours. So, with the context of "we have one last chance at this fight with Kaguya to defeat her in the now", a couple hours is well within the consistent range for a time period. Frankly, the time they had is probably far less than even a couple hours, given Kakashi is worried if they take the time to flee and gather their thoughts in a separate dimension, they won't be able to return, as the ETSO will have swallowed the dimension they're currently in. However, I am not going to propose a specific timeframe, as that would require me to fulfill a burden justifying said timeframe. Rather I am proposing a downscale on the basis that the jutsu is going to expand to completion quickly, in the context of a fight.
What further supports the entailed timeframe of a couple hours is how much time we can infer passes across the fight with Kaguya based upon when the sun rises. The 4GNW battles span well into the night, far before Kaguya ever shows up it's well into the night, even by the time IT has been cast the moon is no longer high in the sky, and Kaguya is defeated all before the sun rises. Given night time lasts generally 6-9 hours of dark, and in this case night was by far over half way done (less than 3-4.5 hours left of dark), the entailed timeframe becomes perfectly reasonable and consistent. (Credit to Ghost for bringing the length of dark throughout the night to my attention in support of this argument).
Conclusions
To reiterate, the energy per second value of the ETSO should downscale from the full yield, as the 15 year timeframe is absurdly inconsistent with the stated urgency from Team 7, and the timeframe entailed by downscaling to baseline 4-B is by far more consistent. The consequences of accepting this thread would be the Low 4-C Naruto characters become 4-B instead. Please remain courteous and let the discourse begin.
Agree: Tracer, DueDonk, Nierre, Plack
Neutral:
Disagree:
Kaguya's ETSO currently scales as Low 4-C per second up to 4-B overtime, and the Low 4-C bit forms the basis of the tier 4 scaling for the verse atm. The per second value comes from assuming a maximum possible timeframe of 15 years, given that she would need her dimension back before Momoshiki in order to fight him with her full arsenal. This thread's purpose is to upgrade that timeframe based upon a far less absurd rationalization, that's supported by the manga rather than postulated headcanon.
Argument
The issue I take with my original proposed timeframe is the assertion of a timeframe despite no timeframe ever given to us, as well as the narrative dissonance it creates in an attack that would take almost 2 decades to complete. To rectify both issues, I'm going to remain agnostic on the timeframe and propose that the energy per second is downscaled to baseline 4-B, utilizing this scan as support for the interpretation.
Upon witnessing the ETSO form, Team 7 is rather urgent in their desire to finish the fight with Kaguya immediately. Kakashi states that if the technique grows to large they won't be able to return to the dimension, and Naruto deduces based upon that sentiment and observation of the technique that they need to seal Kaguya right now. So, we can conclude that the ETSO would destroy the dimension rather quickly, and this is contextualized by characters who at the barest of minimums can move physically faster than characters stated to be able of moving at the speed of lightning, and have feats or scaling that places them well faster than light. It's utterly illogical and contradictory to the provided scan for the technique to take its time for 15 years in this context. Now let's evaluate what is entailed by downscaling to baseline from the full yield.
The ETSO's 4-B is over 5000x above baseline, and as such downscaling the energy per second would entail a timeframe of less than 2 hours. This is an entirely reasonable lowball entailed timeframe, especially given most fights in this series don't last past a couple dozen minutes, only a few scratch the length of hours. So, with the context of "we have one last chance at this fight with Kaguya to defeat her in the now", a couple hours is well within the consistent range for a time period. Frankly, the time they had is probably far less than even a couple hours, given Kakashi is worried if they take the time to flee and gather their thoughts in a separate dimension, they won't be able to return, as the ETSO will have swallowed the dimension they're currently in. However, I am not going to propose a specific timeframe, as that would require me to fulfill a burden justifying said timeframe. Rather I am proposing a downscale on the basis that the jutsu is going to expand to completion quickly, in the context of a fight.
What further supports the entailed timeframe of a couple hours is how much time we can infer passes across the fight with Kaguya based upon when the sun rises. The 4GNW battles span well into the night, far before Kaguya ever shows up it's well into the night, even by the time IT has been cast the moon is no longer high in the sky, and Kaguya is defeated all before the sun rises. Given night time lasts generally 6-9 hours of dark, and in this case night was by far over half way done (less than 3-4.5 hours left of dark), the entailed timeframe becomes perfectly reasonable and consistent. (Credit to Ghost for bringing the length of dark throughout the night to my attention in support of this argument).
Conclusions
To reiterate, the energy per second value of the ETSO should downscale from the full yield, as the 15 year timeframe is absurdly inconsistent with the stated urgency from Team 7, and the timeframe entailed by downscaling to baseline 4-B is by far more consistent. The consequences of accepting this thread would be the Low 4-C Naruto characters become 4-B instead. Please remain courteous and let the discourse begin.
Agree: Tracer, DueDonk, Nierre, Plack
Neutral:
Disagree:
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anyway yeah this is an easy agree, good job
