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Sonic the Hedghog(Starfall Supersonic)
Alice(Afterstories)
Distance: 300 meters
Speed Equal
Alice is 1-C
SBA for the rest
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Heroes Across Time and Space (Sonic the Hedgehog vs Alice{I Was Caught up in a Hero Summoning, but That World Is at Peace})
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Sonic the Hedghog(Starfall Supersonic)
Alice(Afterstories)
Distance: 300 meters
Speed Equal
Alice is 1-C
SBA for the rest
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Bump. I decided to try making a Tier 1 matchup.
Noneless21
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Sigh
Either Sonic has some sort of passive that immediately kills Alice, or Alice immediately use her heart tool to RE herself to 6D and ratio Sonic
Take your poison
Either Sonic has some sort of passive that immediately kills Alice, or Alice immediately use her heart tool to RE herself to 6D and ratio Sonic
Take your poison
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What are you talking about? They both start at 1-C here.
Noneless21
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My point still stand as she still use her heart tool and RE herself and left Sonic to oblivion
Unless Sonic has something to counter that then it's a stomp either way
Unless Sonic has something to counter that then it's a stomp either way
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Scratch that, since you said they both start with 1-C, Sonic don't have any 7D stuff (I don't even know if he is 7D or not) while Alice is possibly 7D being so she stomp
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Both have a ton of stuff, should wait to see what the more experienced Sonic supports have to say. Also im pretty sure the 7-D stuff can be restricted as it's only a possibly, making her 6-D just like Sonic
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Alice will need to immediately start with her Heart tool on in that case, and if that's the case then anything Sonic throw at her she'll immediately gain resistance of at the drop of the hat
So unless Sonic has some sort of RE negation Alice will outlast
Also, does Sonic has mid Godly regen negation because Alice's regen is on that level, I didn't see any mid godly regen negation on his profile because of how scuffed it is
So unless Sonic has some sort of RE negation Alice will outlast
Also, does Sonic has mid Godly regen negation because Alice's regen is on that level, I didn't see any mid godly regen negation on his profile because of how scuffed it is
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Isnt this the character from the same verse as Makina? I think she got stomped by Super Sonic's stuff when her 7-D wasn't taken into consideration. Might have to check that thread out again.
Doesn't have Mid-Godly regen negation yet, might get HGRN in the future.
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Bare in mind, RE's only allowed to given resistances within reason based on what it was shown to give in the series. It's not assumed to work for all abilities. Which is important to note because all Chaos Energy related stuff is very abstract in nature.
He doesn't have Mid-Godly Regen negation, but he can erase/destroy concepts (As listed on his profile under the Super Sonic tabber). So negating Mid-Godly isn't an issue whatsoever.
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You mean this? It's forgotten by people, and I 100% sure Makina still out range but I just couldn't have the energy to debate it further
See her resistance tab? Yeah she can gain resistance to all of those due to her RE similar to Makina, and her ability works on God's highest authority, which is a whole lot more
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The resistances she has don't look very troublesome. Sonic's Chaos Energy has 5 or 6 levels of abstraction IIRC. And I see nothing on her page covering anything like that. So anything related to Chaos Energy should bypass her RE (Time Manip, BFR, Reality Warping, Erasure, etc.) He'd prolly just blitz her, and erase any traces of her to make regenerating impossible.
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Cyber Corruption Aura
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I'm pretty sure Sonic has some egregiously disgusting passives that will just annihilate Alice.
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explain what you mean by 5 levels of abstraction
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The Oneiric Concepts of Sonic the Hedgehog
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TBH this should prob be linked there as well: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Metaphysical_Aspects
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i assume this is accepted aightThe Oneiric Concepts of Sonic the Hedgehog
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Yes.
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So i confirmed the existence of 5 layers of abstraction (in a nutshell it's just ability layers as how it was thoroughly explained to LordGriffin and accepted in a CRT).
so I don't think Alice has any RE to evolve to such a number of layers if we restrict 7D for Alice.
otherwise, Alice would take it
though since it is not stated whether it allows possibly or not
SBA assumes at their strongest
so Alice may access 7D and win via RE
so I don't think Alice has any RE to evolve to such a number of layers if we restrict 7D for Alice.
otherwise, Alice would take it
though since it is not stated whether it allows possibly or not
SBA assumes at their strongest
so Alice may access 7D and win via RE
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Nah, it isn't ability layers, it is this https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Metaphysical_Aspects
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levels of abstraction =/= layers. levels of abstraction > layers. Levels of abstraction is just the hierarchy of fundamentality of metaphysical aspects in a setting. Whereas layers are just being able to bypass a resistance. It goes dimensional gaps > levels of abstraction > layers.
Also, SBA does not allow "possibly" things. It only allows "likely" things. Possibly has to be allowed by the poster.
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This is false. It doesn't say that anywhere in SBA or VS thread rules. Possible abilities are allowed by default
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They are? Let me check rq. I could swore it was assumed possibly had to be allowed by the poster.
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Huh, guess it's not. I remember old threads where possibly stuff wasn't allowed unless the OP explicitly allowed it.
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Alice has resistance to all of the Partial Corruption's abilities except for the Corruption. With that said, I figured that Alice's resistance to Status effect Inducement coupled with her Reactive Evolution would have that covered.
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Do not see resistance to Info type 2, which as the basis of how the power works and affects things, is nescesary here
Also Digitization happens at first exposure, which kind of forces a non existant state upon her, what does she do against that?
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Hmm to argue abit for Alice she has one advantage that Sonic usually has in most of his games. Numbers..
Well she should have around 100,000 clones (it should be millions but well we are to lazy to update that). These clones can function on similar levels to her (iirc in the LN which isn't relevent here but it was said that 50 clones merged into one can function on similar levels).
These clones are stationed around the planet.
Even if her main body dies the clones could try to snipe Sonic from afar.
Can Sonic instantly passive the planet ? Not sure if that is entirely in character for him or not.
Well she should have around 100,000 clones (it should be millions but well we are to lazy to update that). These clones can function on similar levels to her (iirc in the LN which isn't relevent here but it was said that 50 clones merged into one can function on similar levels).
These clones are stationed around the planet.
Even if her main body dies the clones could try to snipe Sonic from afar.
Can Sonic instantly passive the planet ? Not sure if that is entirely in character for him or not.
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Actually yeah, he's done that actually, sort of. He expanded his aura as Super Sonic to swallow several duplicates of Perfect Chaos and shattered the alternate worlds of the Phantom Ruby throughout all of the Egg Field. Because of how his aura works as Starfall Super Sonic, it'll have the added effect of his Cyber Corruption passives.
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Hmm thats good to know. Would you say its his first move to aura-flare the planet in this Scenario ? This would lead to my second question.
Does Sonic have a way to know about all the clones on the planet ? The clones look exactly like alice but usually are in disguise or wear wacky costumes or pose as shopkeepers and the likes
Cuz I can see that scenario if he already knows about the clones
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When does Sonic have the advantage of numbers in his games? 99% of Sonic games are him solo'ing armies. Like almost every adventure he has he does by himself.
As McFries noted tho, he can use his abilities on a planetary scale, tho he has to actively decide to do that. In fact, he should be able to expand his range to anything up to 1-C.
Tho I don't think clones are really a problem for Sonic to begin with.
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Alice does have access to the Abyss Tartarus which grants her Information Manipulation(Type 2), so it might be possible for her to also gain resistance to it since she already has Conceptual Manipulation(Type 1) and Information Manipulation(Type 1).
Speaking of which, I checked the Cyber Corruption page and apparently the nature of Cyber Energy only goes as high as 5-D , so it seems like it wouldn't even be able to interact with Alice at all since she and Sonic start the fight already being at 6-D.
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Uhh, 5D hax can affect 6D characters. The only instance it wouldn't be able to is if the characters were higher dimensional existence. But both aren't. They're both 6D AP characters with 3D bodies.
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Um Alice does have higher-dimensional existence. Higher-Dimensional Existence, Immortality (Type 5; All Gods on her level have all transcended time, space, and life<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Alice_(Web_Novel)#cite_note-Chapter_633-55"><span>[</span>55<span>]</span></a>)
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Yeah but, at which dimensionality? By this i mean, Is she 5D, 6D, etc?
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Huh, they make it that easy to get Higher-Dimensional Existence nowadays? Fair enough. But it doesn't specify what dimension their existence is. Unless I also missed that. They could just have 5D existence and that description would remain true.
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Tbh his Aura is also explossive and blows away what tries to catch him, he can also make it a forcefield, so the clones might just be blown away trying to overwelm him like that... unless you meant another thing by "snipping"
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I will add this tho. Cyber Corruption being only 5D, yet able to affect 6D Super Sonic seems kind of contradictory. If it can affect Super Sonic, it should be able to affect other 6D characters, no?
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6-D as it's stated in Alice's profile that her Ultimate Battle Form has the same potency as Makina's True Form. For a more thorough explanation just check out this blog.
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Her profile mentions the potency of the abilities being 6D. Not the existential level of her HDE being 6D. That said, the blog makes it a bit confusing too. Cuz keep in mind, being able to affect 6D beings is different from having 6D potency. You can have Power Null that can negate 6D AP. But that doesn't mean it can affect a being with a 6D body cuz it's only ever shown to work on being with a 3D body (But 6D power). The opposite is also true. You can affect a 6D being, but that doesn't mean you can negate 6D levels of power. Tho tbf, that is kind of hard to distinguish between on profiles. So I can't blame anyone for that.
