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Godkiller battles the Sword Saint (Arthur Leywin vs Reinhard van Astrea)

So...Reinhard can one shot with his normal sword swing and Arthur has a method of killing Reinhard which drives him into madness and requires him to go through extreme pain (which means it probably isnt a first move) and reading from the description it looks like a ranged attack which makes me think that it will simply change direction due to his divine protection which changes the trajectory of ranged attacks....
 
I don't see how Rein one shots, given he's only 2x stronger, unless you're referring to EE/space stuff. Destruction is also Aether, meaning it's a type 2 concept so Reinhard shouldn't be able to redirect it even if it manifests as a projectile.
 
azontr said:
I don't see how Rein one shots, given he's only 2x stronger, unless you're referring to EE/space stuff.
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His normal sword slash has cm type 2 EE which erases soul, mind and body
(Also probably fate but let's not dwell on that)
azontr said:
Destruction is also Aether, meaning it's a type 2 concept so Reinhard shouldn't be able to redirect it even if it manifests as a projectile.
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I see, Aether also has law manipulation so I can see the dp not working

Well Reinhard can also just...dodge (here we go again)
 
I have Arthur winning this fight, with destrucion Arthur could erase the entiere essence of a being (in tbate knowing that they are body, mind, spirit and soul in a being), Destruction use the concept of destruction in the existence branch in tbate who's a type 2 concept. In this case Reinhard cannot resurect so Arthur could one shot him
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
His normal sword slash has cm type 2 EE which erases soul, mind and body
(Also probably fate but let's not dwell on that)
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Noooo he doesn't. It's just EE on his page.
SatellaTheWoE said:
Well Reinhard can also just...dodge (here we go again)
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Probably, I'm not very knowledgeable on TBATE outside of the webcomic, but Arthur can apply destruction to his sword without going insane and can then teleport that inside of Reinhard with Godstep, making it undodgeable. The profile doesn't imply he can't combine different Aether disciplines, but if he can't then a knowledgeable member can correct me freely.
 
azontr said:
Noooo he doesn't. It's just EE on his page.
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The EE is from him Erasing puck and the only way to kill a spirit is by doing that
It literally is on his profile last I checked alongside EE
Even if it isn't puck has that on his page anyway which is linked
azontr said:
Probably, I'm not very knowledgeable on TBATE outside of the webcomic, but Arthur can apply destruction to his sword without going insane and can then teleport that inside of Reinhard with Godstep, making it undodgeable. The profile doesn't imply he can't combine different Aether disciplines, but if he can't then a knowledgeable member can correct me freely.
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Reinhards godly instincts would probably warn him about this, plus lower tier characters can deal with teleporting enemies just fine

He probably just out predicts him here

This is obviously assuming he even does this as a first move otherwise he gets cooked
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
His normal sword slash has cm type 2 EE which erases soul, mind and body
(Also probably fate but let's not dwell on that)

I see, Aether also has law manipulation so I can see the dp not working

Well Reinhard can also just...dodge (here we go again)
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yeah he could dodge but the speed is egalized here and Arthur with aether absorbtion, can incrase his speed. Also Arthur could but destruction on an aether blade and use God step on the blade (so a teleportation). He could also use destruction on a large range (800 meters around him) with that i highly doubt reinhard dodging it with equalized speed.
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
Reinhards godly instincts would probably warn him about this, plus lower tier characters can deal with teleporting enemies just fine
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It's not like he's teleporting next to him it's literally inside of him. It can't be dodged.
SatellaTheWoE said:
The EE is from him Erasing puck and the only way to kill a spirit is by doing that
It literally is on his profile last I checked alongside EE
Even if it isn't puck has that on his page anyway
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It's not on Reinhard's page, or Puck's page, OR on the Spirit Physiology page. What are you talking about?
 
How does reinhard deal with Arthur teleporting his attacks directly into reinhard's body?
Mind you, it's concept type 2 Spatial Manipulation
azontr said:
Probably, I'm not very knowledgeable on TBATE outside of the webcomic, but Arthur can apply destruction to his sword without going insane and can then teleport that inside of Reinhard with Godstep, making it undodgeable
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This is possible, yeah
In fact, it's something he's used before
azontr said:
The profile doesn't imply he can't combine different Aether disciplines, but if he can't then a knowledgeable member can correct me freely.
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He can. He's teleported while with the Destruction blade before
 
Cool. All that really matters is how in-character these moves are for Arthur then, as Reinhard can reasonably cook him before he pulls either off.
 
Testarossa002 said:
How does reinhard deal with Arthur teleporting his attacks directly into reinhard's body?
Mind you, it's concept type 2 Spatial Manipulation

This is possible, yeah
In fact, it's something he's used before

He can. He's teleported while with the Destruction blade before
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also knowing that Arthur god step is conceptual, his TP work on the aether realm so it couldn't be detect in a basic universe
 
I have started reading the number of messages a member has posted to get a general idea of their understanding on vsbw and it seems to be working lmao


Korf3ll said:
yeah he could dodge but the speed is egalized here and Arthur with aether absorbtion, can incrase his speed.
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This is cool, Reinhard has auto dodge hax + gets an undefined speed amp each time his opponent repeats moves + has a godly intuition which will automatically tell him the best move to do in any given situation + a divine protection that tells him how to dodge any attack he sees for the first time even if it's a surprise move + he can amp himself to the point where he is practically frozen which allows him to boost his reaction speed as well

He can also just dodge a lot of attacks which should be faster than him via skill alone
Korf3ll said:
Also Arthur could but destruction on an aether blade and use God step on the blade (so a teleportation).
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Explained above but Reinhard probably dodges it too
Korf3ll said:
He could also use destruction on a large range (800 meters around him) with that i highly doubt reinhard dodging it with equalized speed.
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Reinhard can dodge raindrops in a rain storm, sand in a sandstorm, rain of light, mists of light and characters far inferior to Reinhard to the point where they can spend an eternity training and never reach his level can also dodge a bomb exploding in a small room without exiting the room, invisible bomb going off which they dodge despite them being random and unpredictable, and the least skilled person in the rz fandom could dodge perception blitzing arrows by reading the intent of the enemy
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
Explained above but Reinhard probably dodges it too
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He can't, it's literally not possible, no skillslop would allow him to do it, he cannot phase through solid objects.
SatellaTheWoE said:
have started reading the number of messages a member has posted to get a general idea of their understanding on vsbw and it seems to be working lmao
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Also don't be a dick head.
 
Wide ranged Destruction is a last resort for him
The one where Regis enters his blade is an opening move. That was his first move against the first team of Wraiths
Using Godstep is pretty standard of him
He also has insane speed amps like Burst Step/Strike which allows him to perception blitz comparable characters
Aether condensed in my muscles and joints, and Burst Step, powered by hundreds of precisely timed explosions of aether, carried me back across the room in a near-instant blink. Aether burst along my shoulders, biceps, elbow, forearm, and wrist, and shrouded my fist protectively, delivering an impossibly fast and powerful blow at the end of my step.
The blow landed against Cecilia’s chest even as her eyes remained focused on where I had been a moment before.
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Reinhard gets hit with this and it'll deal considerable damage seeing as it's 5x his durability
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
I have started reading the number of messages a member has posted to get a general idea of their understanding on vsbw and it seems to be working lmao



This is cool, Reinhard has auto dodge hax + gets an undefined speed amp each time his opponent repeats moves + has a godly intuition which will automatically tell him the best move to do in any given situation + a divine protection that tells him how to dodge any attack he sees for the first time even if it's a surprise move + he can amp himself to the point where he is practically frozen which allows him to boost his reaction speed as well

He can also just dodge a lot of attacks which should be faster than him via skill alone

Explained above but Reinhard probably dodges it too

Reinhard can dodge raindrops in a rain storm, sand in a sandstorm, rain of light, mists of light and characters far inferior to Reinhard to the point where they can spend an eternity training and never reach his level can also dodge a bomb exploding in a small room without exiting the room, invisible bomb going off which they dodge despite them being random and unpredictable, and the least skilled person in the rz fandom could dodge perception blitzing arrows by reading the intent of the enemy
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he cannot dodge because : with God step, the blade spawn inside reinhard body with EE, also god step is a conceptual TP who use the concept of space and the TP isn't in the same dimension so Reinhard couldn't percieve the attack.
 
Also, uh, Arthur emits a powerful aura which apart from it's layered fear hax, acts as psuedo-gravity as it induces "weight" on his opponents until they're crushed. His LS is at the peak of Class P btw
Suddenly, the Alacryan soldiers closest to me were stumbling and collapsing to the ground. I took a step toward the retreating force, and more fell to their hands and knees, bodies trembling. One more step, and my intent reached its peak, crushing everyone within a hundred feet of me into the churned soil.
Cries of dread and the sounds of grown men retching and weeping lingered for a long, timeless moment, and then the battlefield went utterly silent, leaving them clawing at their throats or chests as the weight of the aura stole the air from their lungs.
Those still outside the worst of my intent pulled up short, then quickly dissolved into pushing and shoving. Behind them, Regis let out a monstrous roar that shook the ground, and a wall of amethyst fire engulfed a dozen battle groups that were still fighting back.
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Uh, how is Arthur getting past Reinhard's reliant immortality? Because as long as Od Laguna exists, Reinhard will keep getting revived.
 
I would say that being erased by Destruction would make it so that Rein dies permanently.
 
Have Reid or Cecilus' concept manipulation ever killed or interacted with Reinhard's resurrection? Is there an author statement of it? Because Reinhard being able to resurrect from concept erasure/cutting is not mentioned on his profile.
 
azontr said:
Have Reid or Cecilus' concept manipulation ever killed or interacted with Reinhard's resurrection? Is there an author statement of it? Because Reinhard being able to resurrect from concept erasure/cutting is not mentioned on his profile.
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I don't believe the fights are covered in detail. However, Cecilus lost to Reinhard twice, once in the If Wrath and once in the past. In both instances, Cecilus was naturally giving it his all and would be using his conceptual cutting.

As for Reid, I believe Tappei said that Reinhard is stronger.

Neither have been shown to interact with Reinhard's resurrection specifically.
 
LOTM_Historian said:
Why do you say so? Because even characters like Reid and Cecilus who can cut and destroy concepts cant permanently kill Reinhard.
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But Cecilus and Reid never used they conceptual cutting on Reinhard to Kill him.

Nor does Reinhard have shown to be able to comeback for something like that.
 
Well, i know both of those things, as those are on Cecilus' and Reid's profile. But given neither have killed Reinhard with their specific concept moves, then we have no reason to believe Reinhard could resurrect if Cecilus cut his point, or if Reid concept slashed him. Rein is stronger, hence he wins against them and wouldn't be killed anyways.

EDIT: This is a response to @LOTM_Historian
 
LOTM_Historian said:
I don't believe the fights are covered in detail. However, Cecilus lost to Reinhard twice, once in the If Wrath and once in the past. In both instances, Cecilus was naturally giving it his all and would be using his conceptual cutting.

As for Reid, I believe Tappei said that Reinhard is stronger.

Neither have been shown to interact with Reinhard's resurrection specifically.
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How do you know they even tagged bitchboy?
 
LOTM_Historian said:
I guess so, but I guess Arthur doesnt have conceptual manipulation listed on his profile either so. 🤷‍♀️
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Check his Runes tab. He can control Vivum, the conceptual aspect of existence, and use it to erase things. It's also on the Aether page.
 
Fezzih_007 said:
Does Arthur resist EE?
I can't find on his profile If he does.
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He doesn't, but Reinhard also doesn't resist Arthur's EE. Both can instant kill the other at the drop of a hat, but Arthur has a better chance to do so since he can teleport his EE inside of Reinhard with God step.
 
Trxyway said:
Looking at his profile, EE is not needed. Simply cutting his head off would kill him, or i should say anything above Low Mid regen
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Reinhard is only 1.8x stronger than Arthur so he can't just decapitate him without using some kind of dura neg hax.
 
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