Garou vs Uryū ishida (9-5-1)

[Huesito88]

Where is this stated? I am only saying this out curiosity, quinces have survived nukes in bleach.

Curious on the Quincy nukes which character was it?

 

[Specterxxxx]

Did you not read what i sent lmao. Radiation kills him instantly.

I did, nothing shows him dying in the span 150 milli seconds, enough time for damage to be reversed.

Uh, His Parallel Timeline key scales to the end of the fight.

We literally see him grow faster in terms of power, how does it scale

Yes, I don't remember saying that he'll die at light speed lmao.

Then what is your point? Because the speed of the radiation is still irrelevant.

The effect on his body is instant.

Your article again doesn't say, he dies in the span of 150 milli seconds, it only shows seconds to minutes. This isn't a counter.

Oh this is true.

Glad we agree on that.

 

[Specterxxxx]

If the radation does just litteraly insta kill as the fight starts then why are we arguring this? It would just be a mismatch or stomp.

Because they haven't proven it would kill uryu within 150 milli seconds which is more than enough time to use a thought based ability unless that has been properly addressed, this isn't a mismatch.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Curious on the Quincy nukes which character was it?

Soi fon's bankai is a nuke, the robot quincy tanked it with blut albiet damaged and he is massively weaker than uryu.

 

[Huesito88]

Soi fon's bankai is a nuke, the robot quincy tanked it with blut albiet damaged l

I'm not seeing anywhere in Son fon's Bandai being a actual nuke just a large explosion, am I missing it?

 

[Specterxxxx]

I'm not seeing anywhere in Son fon's Bandai being a actual nuke just a large explosion, am I missing it?

It might not be a nuke truth be told but it does induce a large scale explosion like one and can include similar thermal emissions. At the end of the day it might be not be a nuke but this doesn't matter to the argument. Friend.

 

[Kachon123]

but this doesn't matter to the argument

I'm pretty sure it does. Like it's literally the main argument for why Uryu could survive Garou's attacks.

 

[Specterxxxx]

It takes milli seconds to form a simple thought even as a regular human, uryu is a human capable Sub relativistic perceptive skills making his thought process become even faster than that of a regular human. As long as there is no proof of 15000 gy killing someone that fast we can't prove it would stop uryu who can form a thought in milli seconds at most.

After doing a bit of research and Theoretical analysis, i am beginning to see uryu's thought process should scale to his perception speed since he would need to make sense of what he is perceiving as fast if not faster than the rate he is getting data. So uryu should logically think at sub rel speeds more than enough time to see and understand and reverse the effects of garou's aura. I welcome your opinions on the matter.

 

[Kachon123]

After doing a bit of research and Theoretical analysis, i am beginning to see uryu's thought process should scale to his perception speed since he would need to make sense of what he is perceiving as fast if not faster than the rate he is getting data. So uryu should logically think at sub rel speeds more than enough time to see and understand and reverse the effects of garou's aura. I welcome your opinions on the matter.

Radiation is light speed. Also, it would scale to his reaction speed, not perception.

 

[Specterxxxx]

I'm pretty sure it does. Like it's literally the main argument for why Uryu could survive Garou's attacks.

So many things wrong with the argument that I have already addressed that even @Mr tayman616 agrees on.

1. The heat from the attack is instantaneous unlike yama's bankai to induce any serious damage that uryu will most likely reverse.

2. We are not giving a specific temperature degree of the nuclear fist, all we know is the within the tens of millions of degrees (what is linked in his profile) which isn't sufficient enough to kill uryu seeing as uryu is immensely resistant to the continuous exposure of 15 million degree Celsius for a long periods of time and the heat from garou's attack wouldn't last long enough to kill uryu.

As for the radiation effects I have addressed uryu having faster perception and thought speed to reverse it before he dies, if garou were to kill him, he would have to grow in AD to overwhelm uryu for it to work which he can't do at the start of the fight making this not a mismatch.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

That Saitama vs Gerard match has to be redone…

Leave it alone. 30 pages of that yap

 

[Specterxxxx]

Radiation is light speed. Also, it would scale to his reaction speed, not perception.

Radiation is light speed yes but the effects of radiation is not which means uryu might not be fast to evade it initially but he would be fast to reverse the effects of radiation before he dies.

Look at the link I tagged there, it is feat of his perception and thought speed. His physical reaction speed wouldn't scale there if that's what you mean

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Lol Uryu is FTL scaling to TS Ichigo.

 

[Kachon123]

1. The heat from the attack is instantaneous unlike yama's bankai to induce any serious damage that uryu will most likely reverse.

The heat only lasts for an instant according to whom exactly? They last for an extended period of time, more than long enough to char Uryu completely.

2. We are not giving a specific temperature degree of the nuclear fist, all we know is the within the tens of millions of degrees (what is linked in his profile) which isn't sufficient enough to kill uryu seeing as uryu is immensely resistant to the continuous exposure of 15 million degree Celsius for a long periods of time and the heat from garou's attack wouldn't last long enough to kill uryu.

Natural fission is several tens of millions, which means over 30 million degrees, which is over twice Uryu's resistance. Garou's own replicated phenomena far surpass the original, meaning that this is an extremely lowballed estimate. This is without even mentioning Garou's Gamma Ray Burst, which can reach temperatures of 2 billion degrees.

Radiation is light speed yes but the effects of radiation is not which means uryu might not be fast to evade it initially but he would be fast to reverse the effects of radiation before he dies.

You'd have to prove that Uryu would know he's being effected before he dies.

 

[MrTayman616]

I did, nothing shows him dying in the span 150 milli seconds, enough time for damage to be reversed.

Uryu is an archer, he is going to want to keep enough distance if he knows garou's aura is poisonous which he will know in the first few seconds.

He dies before the "first few seconds"

It takes milli seconds to form a simple thought even as a regular human, uryu is a human capable Sub relativistic perceptive skills making his thought process become even faster than that of a regular human.

Wiki has this as perception/reaction. Also weird considering we see him damaged many times :d

Would he even understand the cause is the radiation etc? Or he'd do it before he dies from the radiation?

We literally see him grow faster in terms of power, how does it scale

Parallel Timeline Garou is the key. Doesn't he scale to the end of the fight?

What can he do against Gamma ray burst? Garou uses it in close range + it is almost light speed.

 

[Specterxxxx]

The heat only lasts for an instant according to whom exactly? They last for an extended period of time, more than long enough to char Uryu completely.

Thats how nuke works bro your scan shows the visuals of regular nuke effects, the heat is maintained for an instant which then depletes. It is not enough to turn uryu with blut to char.

Natural fission is several tens of millions, which means over 30 million degrees, which is over twice Uryu's resistance. Garou's own replicated phenomena far surpass the original, meaning that this is an extremely lowballed estimate.

Uryu is resistant to a continuous supply of heat, the temperatures of a nuke are maintained for Seconds before it dies down, and uryu can use hoho to leave the range immediately as he is fast enough to out pace such explosions.

This is without even mentioning Garou's Gamma Ray Burst, which can reach temperatures of 2 billion degrees.

This is a valid win con but can be dodged as it takes time to launch leaving garou a sitting duck position and uryu wouldn't be standing there, he can literally one shot garou as he preps the attack with seele.

You'd have to prove that Uryu would know he's being effected before he dies.

Uryu's has been exposed to potent aura in his own verse( not saying their aura is radiation, but he is aware that aura can cause certain attacks) so he would know garou's aura is doing that, he would also feel symptoms of radiation poisoning before he dies and is smart enough to know he is dying so he reverses the attack. The symptoms come before death which is enough for uryu who is a genius intellectually and from experience can deduce garou is causing it and so would reverse the symptoms before he dies. He might not know it is radiation but he would know it's the aura from garou.

 

[Specterxxxx]

He dies before the "first few seconds"

After doing a bit of research and Theoretical analysis, i am beginning to see uryu's thought process should scale to his perception speed since he would need to make sense of what he is perceiving as fast if not faster than the rate he is getting data. So uryu should logically think at sub rel speeds more than enough time to see and understand and reverse the effects of garou's aura. I welcome your opinions on the matter.

Good thing, uryu sub rel perception and thought speed is enough to deduce and reverse the effects of radiation before even a second

Wiki has this as perception/reaction. Also weird considering we see him damaged many times :d

Okay? My link shows uryu having perception speed and consequently thought speed at Sub rel speeds in FARRR weaker keys and how does him being damaged matter here because this isn't a point.

Would he even understand the cause is the radiation etc? Or he'd do it before he dies from the radiation?

Uryu's has been exposed to potent aura in his own verse so he would know garou's aura is doing that, he would also feel symptoms of radiation poisoning before he dies and is smart enough to know he is dying before reverses the attack. The symptoms come before death which enough for uryu a genius intellectually and experience to deduce garou is causing it and to reverse the symptoms before he dies. He might not it is radiation but he would know it's the aura from garou.

Like I said to taycon, he doesn't need to know garou's aura is radiation. Kindly read this. It's the latter to your question.

Parallel Timeline Garou is the key. Doesn't he scale to the end of the fight?

No he doesn't. His AD made sure of that.

What can he do against Gamma ray burst? Garou uses it in close range + it is almost light speed.

Gamma ray burst is a valid win con but it takes time to prepare, Uryu evades with hieryanku and one shots garou with seele amped with blut arterie in volstanding enough to kill.

 

[MrTayman616]

This is a valid win con but can be dodged as it takes to launch and uryu wouldn't be standing there, he can literally one shot garou as he preps the attack with seele.

It is near light speed + Garou uses it in close distance. It would be successful.

He can't do anything to Garou while he's launching because Garou is inside the center of a black hole there. (Does he have a way of attacking inside a black hole? to the singularity)

Uryu's has been exposed to potent aura in his own verse so he would know garou's aura is doing that, he would also feel symptoms of radiation poisoning before he dies and is smart enough to know he is dying before reverses the attack. The symptoms come before death which enough for uryu a genius intellectually and experience to deduce garou is causing it and to reverse the symptoms before he dies. He might not it is radiation but he would know it's the aura from garou.

I don't think "potent fighting aura" or etc doesn't equal to radiation emission here. It's not simply "Aura", Garou simply emits cosmic radiation. Fighters such as Bang(More skilled than Atomic Samurai, they can see aura, Ki etc.) can't see the radiation etc.

Also Uryu Ishida doesn't just reverse any type of damage instantly, which can be critical here as well.

Gamma ray burst is a valid win con but it takes time to prepare, Uryu evades with hieryanku and one shots garou with seele amped with blut arterie in volstanding enough to kill.

Garou can copy full power Saitama before Saitama can even reach him in close distance, you expect that Uryu will do what Saitama couldn't do, while in equal speed?

Also what is "hieryanku" ?

 

[Specterxxxx]

Since I am the only defending uryu in this thread for now I will list win cons for uryu.

What's stopping uryu from becoming 13 times stronger in vols+ blut using seele schneider (a dura neg attack) to one shot garou if he sees garou get stronger and faster? After he reflected the poisonous aura from the start of the fight?

Continuous symptoms of radiation poisoning will be reversed to garou weakening him, I am not saying garou is not resistant to radiation, he is but this doesn't mean he is resisting the damage of radiation that uryu will have gotten before it kills him? Til garou dies from his internal injuries.

Uryu can also attempt to seal him with gritz or harm himself and swap that fate to garou? Tho that's a bit risky.

 

[Catbowtie]

What's stopping uryu from becoming 13 times stronger in vols+ blut using seele schneider (a dura neg attack) to one shot garou if he sees garou get stronger and faster? After he reflected the poisonous aura from the start of the fight?

Copy + Adapt + Teleportation

Continuous symptoms of radiation poisoning will be reversed to garou weakening him, I am not saying garou is not resistant to radiation, he is but this doesn't mean he is resisting the damage of radiation that uryu will have gotten before it kills him? Til garou dies from his internal injuries.

Body control, RE, and regeneration handles this

Uryu can also attempt to seal him with gritz or harm himself and swap that fate to garou? Tho that's a bit risky.

How does sealing work? Garou has inter dimensional portals

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Garou resists his own Radiation. Is antithesis passive or activated? Is it thought-based or gesture based?

The Anithesis swaps the "state" of something, so Garo would be forced to suffer the same damage the radiation did to Uryu.

However, the Anithesis is not passive, but it is thought-based.

However, I'm not sure if Uryu will be able to use it before Garo's radiation just kills him.

 

[MrTayman616]

What's stopping uryu from becoming 13 times stronger in vols+ blut using seele schneider (a dura neg attack) to one shot garou if he sees garou get stronger and faster? After he reflected the poisonous aura from the start of the fight?

Garou copy + RE. Also Garou resists Seele Schneider, Probably.

Continuous symptoms of radiation poisoning will be reversed to garou weakening him, I am not saying garou is not resistant to radiation, he is but this doesn't mean he is resisting the damage of radiation that uryu will have gotten before it kills him? Til garou dies from his internal injuries.

Willpower system, Regen, RE, Body control.

How does sealing work? Garou has inter dimensional portals

Portals, Black holes or just destroy it as it just puts reishi based barrier as far as i know.

 

[Specterxxxx]

It is near light speed + Garou uses it in close distance. It would be successfu

Speed is equalised here tho? Garou doesn't instantly activates it, he creates a black hole then unleashes the attack. Uryu kills him before that happens

He can't do anything to Garou while he's launching because Garou is inside the center of a black hole there. (Does he have a way of attacking inside a black hole? to the singularity)

Swaps garou with one his arrows then kill garou.

don't think "potent fighting aura" or etc doesn't equal to radiation emission here. It's not simply "Aura", Garou simply emits cosmic radiation. Fighters such as Bang(More skilled than Atomic Samurai, they can see aura, Ki etc.) can't see the radiation etc.

Uryu doesn't need to see it, all he has to know is getting close to garou is dangerous which he would find out and survive with Antithesis as the fight starts and liken the experience to the aura based mechanics of his own verse and finish him quickly.

Also Uryu Ishida doesn't just reverse any type of damage instantly, which can be critical here as well.

He does reverse any type of damage on him, friend.

Garou can copy full power Saitama before Saitama can even reach him in close distance, you expect that Uryu will do what Saitama couldn't do, while in equal speed

Saitama didn't attack garou while garou was in the middle of prepping an attack tho, this is a false equivalence and Hienryanku is an FTE speed boost amp, Uryu can use FTE boost in equal speed garou can't. Note that isn't speed blitz by amp but by technique.

Also what is "hieryanku"

A quincy FTE speed movement, like flash step but lighter and easier to do

 

[Specterxxxx]

Copy + Adapt + Teleportation

Garou isn't going to copy uryu using an FTE speed movement technique and one shotting him.

Body control, RE, and regeneration handles this

Garou can regenerate full body cellular decomposition? RE how? and continous reversal would eventually make body control give out.

How does sealing work? Garou has inter dimensional portals

Its on his profile, every race in bleach has interdimensional travel as well.

 

[Specterxxxx]

The Anithesis swaps the "state" of something, so Garo would be forced to suffer the same damage the radiation did to Uryu.

However, the Anithesis is not passive, but it is thought-based.

However, I'm not sure if Uryu will be able to use it before Garo's radiation just kills him.

I have already addressed the radiation effects isn't fast enough to kill uryu before it gets reversed as uryu has sub rel perception and thought speed and the effects of radiation don't kill people that fast please read the thread. Only way for it to kill him is when garou has become wayy faster and stronger than uryu to the point of overwhelming him which wouldn't give uryu time to reverse but at the time of the fight this isn't the case. Uryu won't die to it.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Garou copy + RE. Also Garou resists Seele Schneider, Probably.

I won't even bother addressing this, you are not even sure of your counter.

Willpower system, Regen, RE, Body control

Garou can regenerate full body cellular decomposition? RE how? and continous reversal would eventually make body control give out.

Address this please.

Portals, Black holes or just destroy it as it just puts reishi based barrier as far as i know.

Portals won't work, it is meant to combat hollows with interdimensional travel. I don't have sufficient knowledge on the technique to address the rest of your argument tho.

 

[MrTayman616]

Speed is equalised here tho? Garou doesn't instantly activates it, he creates a black hole then unleashes the attack. Uryu kills him before that happens

Can he do it while Garou's inside a singularity though? Not that he can kill him lmao.

Swaps garou with one his arrows then kill garou.

Garou copy, Garou portal, Garou martial art. Those arrows aint doing a thing to Garou.

Only way for it to kill him is when garou has become wayy faster and stronger than uryu to the point of overwhelming him which wouldn't give uryu time to reverse but at the time of the fight this isn't the case. Uryu won't die to it.

So it's only milliseconds away from happening... No? A Garou with slower growth can reach blitz and one shot level in milliseconds after all. Not even counting Immortality Type 2 based explosive boost RE.

Uryu doesn't need to see it, all he has to know is getting close to garou is dangerous which he would find out and survive with Antithesis as the fight starts and liken the experience to the aura based mechanics of his own verse and finish him quickly.

The point of seeing it or not is because upon intact, he could get knocked out because of it completely.

Saitama didn't attack garou while garou was in the middle of prepping an attack tho, this is a false equivalence and Hienryanku is an FTE speed boost amp, Uryu can use FTE boost in equal speed garou can't. Note that isn't speed blitz by amp but by technique.

Yeah, Saitama who goes all out against Garou, and Garou who was comparable to a "Casual" Saitama. Garou copies him and attacks him before Saitama even reaches him.

He does reverse any type of damage on him, friend.

I said "instantly". Not that he doesn't reverse anything.

Note that isn't speed blitz by amp but by technique.

It's amp by technique, no?

A quincy FTE speed movement, like flash step but lighter and easier to do

Ok

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Uryu can deadass ball up a paper and swap the balled up state with Garou.

 

[Catbowtie]

Uryu can deadass ball up a paper and swap the balled up state with Garou.

With what ball of paper is he doing this with? The first punch’s shockwave is going to send both of them to space lol

 

[MrTayman616]

I won't even bother addressing this, you are not even sure of your counter.

Not because of Garou, but bleach's system.

Can you explain this ability, as bleach has it's own matter soul relevance etc.

Garou can regenerate full body cellular decomposition? RE how? and continous reversal would eventually make body control give out.

Why would the attack work on Garou, also depending on the type, he resists.

"continous reversal would eventually make body control give out." Why? Bro adapts, has immortality type 2, has regen, has macro-quantum level body control.

Portals won't work, it is meant to combat hollows with interdimensional travel. I don't have sufficient knowledge on the technique to address the rest of your argument tho.

I said the other arguments because they said in an another thread that he could destroy it since there was no statement against it etc.

Black holes, his adaptation etc would do it ig.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

With what ball of paper is he doing this with? The first punch’s shockwave is going to send both of them to space lol

Just an example to describe the scope of his power. Replace paper with anything you like such a piece of rock.

 

[Catbowtie]

Just an example to describe the scope of his power. Replace paper with anything you like such a piece of rock.

Oh lol. Okay.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Oh lol. Okay.

Basically he’s saying this is Garou

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Not because of Garou, but bleach's system.

Can you explain this ability, as bleach has it's own matter soul relevance etc.

Atoms in Bleach have souls (yes, even in the normal matter based worlds, for some reason), so it's soul-based atomic deconstruction, which Garo doesn't resist. Granted, Sklaverei does the same thing, but arguably better.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Can he do it while Garou's inside a singularity though? Not that he can kill him lmao

Removes him out with antithesis?

Garou copy, Garou portal, Garou martial art. Those arrows aint doing a thing to Garou.

You didn't understand what I said did you? He shoots an arrow in the opposite direction and swaps that arrow with garou inside the singularity removing garou from inside the black hole and one shots him.

So it's only milliseconds away from happening... No? A Garou with slower growth can reach blitz and one shot level in milliseconds after all. Not even counting Immortality Type 2 based explosive boost RE.

Garou didn't become blitz level to platinum in milli seconds they had a whole ass fight before he did that. Immortality is useless, quinces have soul erasure, uryu specially.

The point of seeing it or not is because upon intact, he could get knocked out because of it completely.

I have addressed this!!! Stop repeating this when you haven't explain how uryu is going die at speed much slower than his thought speed that can reverse whatever is killing him.

I said "instantly". Not that he doesn't reverse anything

He does it instantly check his profile please in his antithesis link.

It's amp by technique, no?

Yes by manipulating reishi itself, something garou has no understanding of or can even copy.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Uryu can deadass ball up a paper and swap the balled up state with Garou.

Where would he find a paper lol.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Where would he find a paper lol.

Just an example to describe the scope of his power. Replace paper with anything you like such a piece of rock.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Not because of Garou, but bleach's system.

Can you explain this ability, as bleach has it's own matter soul relevance etc.

Elaborate? Look at his profile it's explained there.

Why would the attack work on Garou, also depending on the type, he resists.

Why wouldn't work, the cellular decomposition being done to uryu would be swapped with garou's body. How would he resist this?

continous reversal would eventually make body control give out." Why? Bro adapts, has immortality type 2, has regen, has macro-quantum level body control.

Like we said in gerard vs saitama, limited immortality type 2 can be outlasted and weakened. Macro-quantum body control would do what here to prevent the decomposing cells?

I said the other arguments because they said in an another thread that he could destroy it since there was no statement against it etc.

Black holes, his adaptation etc would do it ig

Fair enough, I will conceede on this win con then but no one has addressed uryu harming himself and transferring it to garou.

 

[MrTayman616]

Atoms in Bleach have souls (yes, even in the normal matter based worlds, for some reason), so it's soul-based atomic deconstruction, which Garo doesn't resist. Granted, Sklaverei does the same thing, but arguably better.

Actually he does. Psykos can do it via willpower(soul part, not atomic) and Garou already has sub atomic to macro quantum level, it was going to be added to willpower iirc. Asking Kachon about it would be better ig.

Removes him out with antithesis?

You didn't understand what I said did you? He shoots an arrow in the opposite direction and swaps that arrow with garou inside the singularity removing garou from inside the black hole and one shots him.

Yet i still don't understand. Because how is he supposed to one shot him at all is what i'm saying. Garou copies, martial arts, RE, portal etc etc.

Btw, is there a limit to his ability, like he needs to see the target etc, or a range limit. (I assume there is as he doesn't need to be in the battlefield etc otherwise :d)

Garou didn't become blitz level to platinum in milli seconds they had a whole ass fight before he did that. Immortality is useless, quinces have soul erasure, uryu specially.

Garou did become blitz level. They were comparable before 0.0013 second. That "whole ass fight" took 0.0013 second.

You misunderstand the immortality type 2. Garou overcomes death and gets explosive growth (blitz + one shot level).

He does it instantly check his profile please in his antithesis link.

Not what i mean. He purposely waited until he was so injured, no? At least that's what i get from the scan there.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Just an example to describe the scope of his power. Replace paper with anything you like such a piece of rock.

Uryu doesn't fight like this for now, let's stick to the win cons we have for him for now please.