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Also with Naruto's regen and stamina l I don't even know how Luffy would get a good decisive blow. The ap to dura difference is low
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Naruto (Part II: War Arc) vs Luffy (Emperor)
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I still can't see it. Especially when you consider that tbb is still a projectile that has to travel to Luffy since he can see into the future and how big of a speed amp Gear 2nd + Soru are individually and even moreso when stacked.
This trick won't really work since, again, Luffy can see several seconds into the future. In Gear 4th he might outright tank it considering he has the durability for it and he's coated in Armament Haki meaning he has the heat resistance an further amped stats to withstand.
I'd honestly say the same for Naruto. Luffy took a repeated beating from Cracker and Katakuri for several dozen hours straight, both of which are 6-B, while Luffy was nowhere close to their level. Naruto doesn't have a way to bypass Luffy's resistance to blows or enhanced durability + resistances with Haki. And it would be even harder to land them due to the speed gap and precog advantage.
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1. That's nowhere near the kms range of bijuu bombs and I'm talking uncharged. At the end of the day Luffy would need the travel speed for . You can see I separated into thousands of kms and just Kms. The thousands is for the range, the kms is for the AOE itself. I don't know how deep into Kms it goes but I know it's pretty decent.
2. I mean the bombs are >>> 200 teratons. Isn't Luffy like 67 or something like that? Even if Luffy can see into the future he still has to be able to travel out of the area of the attack which I really don't see .
3. There's no speed advantage for anyone. Luffy just has the advantage with better precog. Naruto has shunsin and sage mode so he's alright. You're also forgetting Naruto has like a kunai, this is just in case but isn't my main point.
LUffy might have good stamina but Naruto got ridiculous chakra . With kurama chakra hashirama said he almost had as much as him and he could fight for a day straight with madara. Naruto also has both healing and regen. He's going to outlast luffy
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Wait wtf? @Robo432343 they can't start in base. Do that and Naruto blitzes the hell out of Luffy which is wrong coz Luffy is normally fast.
Naruto goes from sub rel to rel from base to kcm1. Stack that with kcm2 and then stack that with stage mode
.yeah nope
Naruto goes from sub rel to rel from base to kcm1. Stack that with kcm2 and then stack that with stage mode
.yeah nope
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Gum Gum Rocket.
Luffy is >>138.03 Teratons. Again, Soru and elasticity.
Soru is a Shunsin equivalent and Gear 2 alone can blitz people with precog who are normally already faster than Luffy's base. Boundman is far faster than that. Snakeman is >>4x faster than this and rapidly accelerates in speed.
Luffy scales above people who can fight for several days and Luffy himself can endure beatings from stronger opponents for just as long, so I don't know how Naruto would outlast Luffy here.
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1. You'd have to explain further than that sorry.
2. None of that really helps him against vaporisation. Naruto is about 1.7 times stronger. That's still gonna damage Luffy repeatedly. And while the rasenshuriken has a smaller radius , a sage mode rasenshuriken is quite large and one hit and it's over for Luffy so there's still that for Naruto..
3. I actually thought for some reason he didn't have snakeman yet. Well this makes things interesting but Naruto actually has the edge in speed in this case.
Naruto gets 5times faster from base to kcm1. So that's already more than snakeman, Soru cancels shunshin but kcm2 is a blitz worthy amp and he then still stacks sage mode. Naruto got the edge there.
4. Those people are fighting people comparable to them. Luffy has to keep taking attacks 1.7 time stronger than himself while Naruto would constantly heal himself from any attacks boundman might land (I think it's also 1.7 times stronger). I don't see Luffy outlasting him. Not to mention Naruto has an attack rasenshuriken that once it lands it's a one shot, which becomes more likely the more the fight drags out considering Naruto got the speed edge and it has a large AOE.
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Also Naruto precog is pretty good too. Like sure Luffy might be better but at the same time Naruto is gonna be hard to hit too
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Luffy can stretch his limbs long distances to pull himself very far very quickly.
Luffy has heat resistance and Haki (which also has heat resistance) that is a massive durability amp. 1.7x isn't that much in the grand scheme of things so I don't doubt Haki could cover the stat gap there. Why would one hit end Luffy?
Well Snakeman's speed boost is >>4x from the already large blitz amp of Gear 2nd so the amp is relative to kcm2 at worst. It accelerates significantly the longer he's in the form to Luffy would be the one with the advantage here if anything.
Not always? Luffy's own feats are against people far stronger than he is with gaps much bigger than 1.7. Matter fact, that gap isn't even a thing when Luffy uses his stronger attacks as he scales over 276.06 Teratons (1.4x Naruto's value), she he could just flatout destroy any rasenshuriken that Naruto throws.
People with Future Sight are able to precog stomp highly trained Kenunshoku Haki users that are able to precog stomp other precog users
Luffy will have no issue whatsoever tagging Naruto
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1. We're talking Kms here? Come onLuffy can stretch his limbs long distances to pull himself very far very quickly.
Luffy has heat resistance and Haki (which also has heat resistance) that is a massive durability amp. 1.7x isn't that much in the grand scheme of things so I don't doubt Haki could cover the stat gap there. Why would one hit end Luffy?
Well Snakeman's speed boost is >>4x from the already large blitz amp of Gear 2nd so the amp is relative to kcm2 at worst. It accelerates significantly the longer he's in the form to Luffy would be the one with the advantage here if anything.
Not always? Luffy's own feats are against people far stronger than he is with gaps much bigger than 1.7. Matter fact, that gap isn't even a thing when Luffy uses his stronger attacks as he scales over 276.06 Teratons (1.4x Naruto's value), she he could just flatout destroy any rasenshuriken that Naruto throws.
People with Future Sight are able to precog stomp highly trained Kenunshoku Haki users that are able to precog stomp other precog users
2. It's not like bijuu bombs are 200tt either. They scale above stuff like odama rasengan and rasenshuriken which are >>> 200Tt. So like it's still the gap is still there. Not saying it would one shot Luffy no put yeah over time he'll be cooked. The one hit is for rasenshuriken, the duraneg factor.
3. Not really. It's >>4× Vs > 5 times. And that's for kcm1 not kcm2. So like it doesn't reach kcm2 level. You still add sage mode on top too.. are you claiming Luffy accelerates indefinitely? What principle?
4. I know this. This example was for the days you mentioned. I don't doubt Luffy going for hours with people stronger than him. I don't really see how destroying the rasenshuriken works. Maybe he could with shockwave but trying to hit it directly would just end up with the needles entering him. Also Naruto could make it explode before hitting him.
5. Well yeah coz they are faster. But in a case where they are not I don't see it. Naruto will be damn near untouchable in sage mode since he'd sense any attack coming ahead of time
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Yeah?
That's over a lot of time considering the amount of punishment Luffy can take. Haki would still protect him because 1.7x still isn't a big gap. Luffy's body is coated in Haki to rasenshuriken's blades attacking the cells of the target's body isn't really relevant here.
It's >>4x Gear 2nd, not his base. Gear 2nd is already a massive speed boost. Which is why it's kcm2. Luffy accelerates as long as he's attacking. Luffy has several tens of kilometers that he can use to accelerate while attacking so yes as good as indefinite in this fight.
I mean the point still remains that it isn't always the case of them fighting people on their level. 1.7x is comparable regardless so this wouldn't matter, especially when both can be stronger than the other.
Luffy's body is coated in Haki so the needles wouldn't enter him.
Again, Luffy would see the rasenshuriken exploding early with Future Sight if Naruto tries that, and he has no reason to do that if Luffy just punches it.
Uh, no, not because they are faster. It's because their precog is just way better. What you just described is the most basic form of Kenbunshoku Haki. Literal babies in One Piece can do this. Luffy has far surpassed that level of hax.
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1. Not sure that's Kms but if it is fine that's just stretching and not him moving. I'm assuming he propells himself through that? It would still be an issue of him not still having the travel speed to evade. You'd have to prove he propells as fast as his combat speed and even then it won't still be enough to dodge AOE of kms.
2. Yeah that's what I'm talking about when I consider outlasting. Either way we argue this battle is gonna be a drawn out fight coz it's pretty close so that is a huge advantage for Naruto. Haki hardens the body. I don't see how it would close up Luffy skin pores. That's very illogical plus rasenshuriken works fine against shinobi constantly coating themselves with chakra.
3. I was more so saying how base to gear 4 covers the 5 times speed boost. Gear 2+ 4 times. Coz there's no real quantifier for gear 2. The acceleration is still gonna cap near his actual speed since it still doesn't have a stated value. You're underestimating the difference between kcm1 and 2. Kcm2 was able to blitz guy and kakashi from across the battle field at least a km wide and intercept bijuu bombs. Said bijuu were relative if not superior to kcm1.
4. See it's a drawn out fight. Ah I means Luffy is accumulating damage while Naruto is healing himself. It's not hard to see who it is in favour of. I didn't say rasenshuriken will surely hit. I said in a drawn out fight the chances of it hitting would increase and if and when it lands it's over. That's what making mean lean towards Naruto coz Luffy is in the exact same spot as Naruto with his strongest attacks being able to do damage but not much. Difference in the 2 is Naruto would heal up while Luffy won't and Naruto actually has a one shot move.
5. I'm looking at profiles and seeing people rated as ftl with future sight when they were rel. That definitely means they are faster
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His Gum Gum Rocket is just as fast as his combat speed.
Haki is an invisible armor that coats the body. Naruto's rasenshuriken needles would be attacking the non-existent cells that make up the Haki defense.
I mean that's fine but Gear 2nd was perception blitzing people who have precog and were faster than his base. It's a very big speed boost. As for Luffy's acceleration, it quite literally doesn't stop until Luffy is unable to attack and it increases at a fast rate. It's pretty reductive to say that it's going to cap when that's the main ability of Gear 4th Snakeman.
Haki attacks have regeneration negation. Naruto is incapable of oneshotting Luffy. In a drawn out fight, Naruto will be worrying about actually landing his attack, not how many it would take to put Luffy down.
What does that have to do with the speed at which they punch or how good precog are? I'm talking about literally step-by-step out-predicting future events. Character A sees 5 events in the future, Character B sees 20 events in the future and stops Character A from doing the first event before they even have the chance to do it.
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when has Luffy ever stretched thousands of kilometers??
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This was over 25 kilometers.
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imgur is broken
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Its accepted as 25km
I don't see how this prevents him from getting hit by an attack that spans thousands of kilometers
I don't see how this prevents him from getting hit by an attack that spans thousands of kilometers
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Naruto does not have a single attack with AOE that spans thousands of kilometers. That's just how far his projectiles can reach prior to detonating.
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the diameter of an imperfect link Naruto explosion is higher than luffy range still
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1. Yeah it's still a problem. If the speed is just relative to it's combat speed then he'd still find it extremely hard with the AOE of Naruto's attacks.
2. No it won't work like that. Haki is still energy at the end of the day. People coat themselves with chakra but rasenshuriken still works on them fine.
3. I'm not arguing where gear second is, it's just not really quantifiable. Naruto has the speed amps to match Luffy speed amps and has a more quantifiable multiplier. It makes sense he comes out faster. I'm not caping the acceleration, it's just to an unknown degree.
4. I didn't really mention regen. Even though it says naturally accelerated but I don't want to argue that. Kurama can just actively heal Naruto. He has healing asides his regen . Luffy ain't busting no organs so the healing would be pretty fine. Naruto bijuu bombs are almost a guaranteed hit. The bijuu bombs themselves expanding km of radius happens nigh instantly in relation to people who have similar combat speed in the first place. Sasuke already tried running away from killer bee bomb and it didn't turn out well. So I don't see Luffy outrunning before the explosion
5. But if character A has superior reaction speed and danger sensing than character B even if character B has seen what he wants to do in the first place and does something to counter or block it, his reaction speed would just kick and help him evade. I mean If I can see a year into the future, when I try punching someone faster than me the person would still just dodge. even if I know where the person is going next and attack there with good enough reaction speed the person can still just dodge no problem.
Isn't that 4km?
Actually Luffy has snake man here a 4times amp so it's cool.
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Actually this is 140km. Yeah Luffy is cooked
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what's stopping Naruto from just
1. Clonespam, all of Naruto's clones are just as strong and nearly as durable and are easily spammable in the thousands, Giant Rasengan Barrage gg
2. Rasenshuriken that can damage on a cellular level, Luffy dodges it with Kenbun and Naruto either uses it in melee or uses clonespam and carpet bombs
3. Substitution Jutsu is busted
4. Temporary Paralysis Technique is busted
5. just touch Luffy and turn him into a frog
Nothing in Luffy's arsenal really helps him against anything, since he can't deflect the projectiles (Rasenshuriken and Tailed Beast Bombs aren't blunt projectiles), his speed amps are countered by Naruto's own (Base to Base are equal, Luffy can go from Gear 2 to Boundman to Snakeman, Naruto can go from Sage Mode to Kurama Mode to combining both, and can stack Substitution Jutsu's speed on top of that), and his Kenbun is soft-countered by Kurama doxxing Luffy at all times
Luffy's Kenbun might keep him in the fight for a while but Naruto is not much weaker, has many more defensive tools, has multiple clones that can deal just as much damage, and honestly has better stamina (Naruto can have thousands of clones active for multiple days straight while also sharing his chakra with the entire Ninja Alliance simultaneously while also fighting people stronger than himself and constantly taking damage, while although Luffy's stamina is also insane and can survive gruesome injuries for several days straight, he's never shared his energy with thousands of others before).
TLDR Naruto can just omega carpet bomb until he wins
voting Naruto
1. Clonespam, all of Naruto's clones are just as strong and nearly as durable and are easily spammable in the thousands, Giant Rasengan Barrage gg
2. Rasenshuriken that can damage on a cellular level, Luffy dodges it with Kenbun and Naruto either uses it in melee or uses clonespam and carpet bombs
3. Substitution Jutsu is busted
4. Temporary Paralysis Technique is busted
5. just touch Luffy and turn him into a frog
Nothing in Luffy's arsenal really helps him against anything, since he can't deflect the projectiles (Rasenshuriken and Tailed Beast Bombs aren't blunt projectiles), his speed amps are countered by Naruto's own (Base to Base are equal, Luffy can go from Gear 2 to Boundman to Snakeman, Naruto can go from Sage Mode to Kurama Mode to combining both, and can stack Substitution Jutsu's speed on top of that), and his Kenbun is soft-countered by Kurama doxxing Luffy at all times
Luffy's Kenbun might keep him in the fight for a while but Naruto is not much weaker, has many more defensive tools, has multiple clones that can deal just as much damage, and honestly has better stamina (Naruto can have thousands of clones active for multiple days straight while also sharing his chakra with the entire Ninja Alliance simultaneously while also fighting people stronger than himself and constantly taking damage, while although Luffy's stamina is also insane and can survive gruesome injuries for several days straight, he's never shared his energy with thousands of others before).
TLDR Naruto can just omega carpet bomb until he wins
voting Naruto
