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Ubel vs Boa 2: Now with more Kachon

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Kachon123 said:
That's where the quote I pulled came from.
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So you just ignored the part that says "An intuitive type who acts according to their own senses, even if there is absolute logic they can overturn it."
Kachon123 said:
Yeah, not when she can sense Hancock's power.
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"Man...by normal standards I absolutely can't cut this. I'll cut it anyway cause skin can be cut"
Kachon123 said:
Not Haki emission.
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Haki emission relies on haki which would get sealed off preventing Hancock from emitting it
 
That_moron2 said:
How is this not a stomp if Ubel can't even cut Boa?
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She 100% can that's the thing. She just visualizes boa as a normal person.

I've already pointed out how she'd just ignore how strong specifically boa is and just focus on what boa is which is skin, flesh, and bone all of which can be cut. This was ignored with the argument "well here it says she has to visualize something being cut to cut it" which doesn't counter the argument since I've given a visualization she'd very easily pick up on.
 
That_moron2 said:
Regardless, Boa SI diffs.
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No

Boas SI at a glance wouldn't work because she's never been shown to effect people as bloodlusted as ubel AT A GLANCE. She has to actively try to si bloodlusted individuals.

She can effect her if she moves BEFORE ubel but she wouldn't because she can't out speed or bypass ubel perception since speed is equalized

Therefore ubel who leads with sorganeil with seal her then dura neg her. Salome could try to intervene however ubel could just kill Salome while maintaining eye contact which would be easy because salome doesn't resist dura neg and would likely just lunge herself at ubel.

At that point ubel cuts boa in half ending the fight
 
No because I was never opposing the idea boa can't petrify inanimate objects or things that actually suppress their emotions.

What I was saying is that boa has never been shown to do this to people who are as bloodlusted as ubel just by looking at her and she'd have to actually move or physically do something to si ubel.
 
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Delusionaltx2 said:
No because I was never opposing the idea boa can't petrify inanimate objects or things that actually suppress their emotions.

What I was saying is that boa has never been shown to do this to people who are as bloodlusted as ubel just by looking at her and she'd have to actually move or physically do something to si ubel.
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It's not about petrification. It's about making them fall in love. When they should have no physical capability to. It's supernatural SI.
 
Delusionaltx2 said:
Why do you think I'm mentioning bloodlust then?

Still needs feats
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"Still needs feats" is so ******* ironic when you're simultaneously wanking Ubel's personality and downplaying Hancock's SI when I've literally given you feats.

Bloodlust means jack shit when it's literally been stated that she can be in the middle of the most active and dangerous warzone in the past several decades and not suffer a single injury because of her beauty. If you think simple bloodlust matters to override her ability, you're sorely mistaken. It never has.
 
Kachon123 said:
"Still needs feats" is so ******* ironic when you're simultaneously wanking Ubel's personality and downplaying Hancock's SI when I've literally given you feats.
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You've yet to actually give feats for boas si working on purely bloodlusted individuals WHILE AT A GLANCE

This is what I've been asking this whole time and your response is giving feats that involve her needing to actually move in order to do this.
Kachon123 said:
"Still needs feats" is so ******* ironic when you're simul
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Kachon123 said:
Bloodlust means jack shit when it's literally been stated that she can be in the middle of the most active and dangerous warzone in the past several decades and not suffer a single injury because of her beauty.
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Do the guys on said warzone even have a reason to be as bloodlusted towards her as they would be towards the enemy?
Kachon123 said:
If you think simple bloodlust matters to override her ability, you're sorely mistaken. It never has.
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Once again I've been asking to prove boa can do this AT A GLANCE to people who are already bloodlusted

Also you're just proving my point if you actually read the entire chapter of chapter 1059 (where this scan is) they turn to stone AFTER boa hits them all with a slave arrow

Boa has to actually move or do something against people who are bloodlusted she can't just do this to them at a glance because logically these guys are more focused on killing her than liking her which would logically negate the effects.

Because of this boa has to actually hit them to work which she doesn't get the chance to do here because again ubel seals her instantly
 
Before the FRA train continues I'll just summarize boas arguments and why they don't work

Nobody is saying boa can't si ubel this isn't the argument and anyone who thinks this is the argument isn't tracking and is just making an fra train for no reason.

The argument is that boa can't si ubel WITH JUST A GLANCE as in ubel won't get turned to stone from just looking at her. We know this because against individuals bloodlusted towards her it's consistently shown that she has to actually hit them with an attack or flaunt her body in some way shape or form for her to turn them to stone. We see this against the pasifista, we see this with momonga and hell we even see this with Blackbeard's crew

Since ubel is going to be bloodlusted here that means boa MUST hit her or physically move to SI her. With this in mind since speed is equalized ubel would seal her long before she gets the chance since sorganeil is a sight based ability which would be faster than physical movement, from there ubel dura negs her and ends the fight
 
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To add to my previous point ubel can visualize stuff even if it ignores absolute truths this is stated on her profile meaning the idea of this not working because ubel is tier 8 and boa is tier 5 and therefore can't visualize boas strength doesn't work because it would just be seen as an absolute truth which is something she can ignore.

Nobody on boas stance has actually proven haki resists conventional sealing the only argument has been "haki can resist devil fruit abilities so surely it resists sealing!" To this I ask, what devil fruit ability seals stuff in a conventional manner. "Sealing" can be done either through physically trapping someone somewhere (look at how in undertalr humans seal monsters in the underground by traping them with a barrier for example) or actually sealing them away with supernatural means (look at Naruto sealing jutsus as an example) sorganeil is the latter so I ask again, what devil fruit ability does this? So far team boa hasn't given a single answer for this either

The "supernatural willpower negates magic so haki users would negate magic" argument is stupid because its completely ignorant of the fact supernatural willpower can produce varying effects from verse to verse sometimes it's just an iron will, other times you can resist mind control and even EE cause f*** it. All this does is prove supernatural willpower in frieren has minor power null which wouldn't apply in boas case cause she isn't a frieren character.

In conclusion ubel has stronger wincons therefore I vote ubel (assuming I didn't make this clear)
 
Arkansalter2 said:
BOA fra lmfao.
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The "For reasons above" doesn't have any weight here

All the reasons above basically ignore the counter arguments

If you think otherwise then please site a single instance of someone arguing for boa doing one of the following

1 showing a scan where boa petrefies a bloodlusted individual with just looks alone

2 mentioning a devil fruit that seals stuff the same way sorganeil does

3 explaining how ubel dura neg ignoring absolute truths wouldn't immediately suggest she would just ignore the difference in ap/durability between her and Hancock

If you can't do even one of these then this is an fra train
 
Catbowtie said:
LOL

Bro's not happy at all.
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Sorry I just don't like it when people ignore stuff

If anyone can list even a single instance where a boa supporter has answered one of these things I won't argue any further IN FACT I'll even vote for boa since that gets rid of ubels one wincon
 
Delusionaltx2 said:
Sorry I just don't like it when people ignore stuff

If anyone can list even a single instance where a boa supporter has answered one of these things I won't argue any further IN FACT I'll even vote for boa since that gets rid of ubels one wincon
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Kachon has BEEN arguing
 
That_moron2 said:
Kachon has BEEN arguing
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Ok bet, list a single instance of kachon answering one of these points with a proper explanation as to how it does

Because everything I've seen either ignores the counter argument or proves my point more

If you want I can even give examples on this like rn
 
Kazuma_kuwabara said:
Maybe for you, for us it has more weight than Laboon
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And I'm asking how? If it has enough weight to where you can compare it to a whale SURELY it answers one of the things above right?

It's okay to admit this is an fra train if that's the case I won't even bother arguing anymore.
 
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