Idk about the rest but Day and Night, Light and Darkness definitely need’s to get removed. iirc nonduality is “Day and Not-Day” rather than Day and Night. Same with Light and Darkness, it needs to be “Light and Not-Light”.
The dualities shown arent considered having their own "non-". Something like yin and yang cant be dualities, only something like yin and non yin / yang and non yang.
Eh I think Both Yin and Yang are deemed as cosmic dualities as seen here (they are opposite cosmic principles], and dualities in the wiki uses binary logical dualities like A and Not A but Not Cosmic dualities, (which is only a specific form of duality) unless the verse treat it such otherwise, like a verse presenting darkness is everything that isn't light, (The absence of light) and Light itself encompasses anything that is light and the absence of darkness. (That's my understanding at least)
My opinion is the same as this, while taiji and wuji could teorically give ND, in this case all seems to rely on a simple name-drop of Taiji and Wuji, which isn’t enough imo. i mean the standards are already strict to the point that Yin and Yang only is valid if they are actual logical dualities (is / is-not) instead of water/fire, life/death, etc. So there is no reason for not having the same level of scrutinity with Wuji and Taiji and only letting it to get accepted if the verse explain it in a way that properly fit the standards
Taiji is literally the symbol of non-duality on the wiki, if that doesn't qualify then it shouldn't even be there.
Yea.
I honestly think we shouldn't push it this hard, even if there exist a duality in the verse that has no logical negation (A and not A example), as long as it makes the user immune to them then it's nonduality yeah
Because it must be clear what “Taiji” and “Wuji” is meant to reference here, since a lot of fictions mischaracterize it.
Standard is cooked, no one even knows how to get Nonduality anymore by this point. Why even accept Nonduality abilities in 205 characters knowing none of them would qualify for the logical negation (A & Not A)
Even stated that duality of existence is just not limited to not existence, but rather void too
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ahh i see it now, make sense then.
I mean, now it depends on how the wiki will qualify what is ND and not lol.
Contrary dualities rather than contradictory unless context suggests they are meant to be negations.
It would qualify but usually that is not the case; it isn't here either.
The best examples I can think of all come from Chinese works:
Yeah, there's no way any popular verse is going to get this ability if we're going off this direction. One quick look in the 205 characters and you'd know atleast 80% of them don't even fit the bill here. Most of verses here don't treat duality as such like that. I assume just make it stricter, make a staff thread about this and nuke them ig?
My example is for comparing why one word needs to be elaborated but the other doesn't, even though both have the same literal meaning, not for arguing whether these should be dualities that wiki qualify or not.
Nonduality is the single most broken ability that isn't tied to a specific tier on this entire wiki, as it grants logical immunity to everything that does not also possess nonduality.
Nah, that's still true.I thought they're still bound by the specific tier of it, meaning as long as there's a smurf hax above the scope of that Nonduality. It would bypass them, no? What'd I even miss.. Like you know, quantitative Nonduality vs qualitative Hax. If this even makes sense since smurf is only reserved for 1-A and aboveAcausality vs HD Causality
Title is self explanatory, this thread serves the purpose of finding out if characters with type 4 Acausality can resist higher dimensional forms of Causality / Fate Manipulation. Example being that character A has type 4 Acausality but their cosmology only extends to 3-D in size and Potency...vsbattles.com
I mean, some characters do qualify for it, and Tier 0s have it by default, but I do agree that current standards are obtusely hard to meet.Standard is cooked, no one even knows how to get Nonduality anymore by this point. Why even accept Nonduality abilities in 205 characters knowing none of them would qualify for the logical negation (A & Not A)
Even stated that duality of existence is just not limited to not existence, but rather void too
Nondual Characters
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I have no clue, ask @DontTalkDT
Since smurf hax is reserved for 1-A and above I guess
There would need to be evidence that both of them are a logical dichotomy, since logical negations are basically splitting everything into two mutually exclusive, exhaustive categories.
I mean, no?
since infinite super ultra tung tung sahur qualities and other made up qualities start swarming wiki
Because darkness is just the absence of Light, of course, you could use different way to wording the absence of Light as Not Light, but that is just playing with words, just using different wording but still have the same meaning. Currently nonduality standard follow truth value and valued logic, which is truth and false, is and is not, for example A is truth then not/non-A is false.
There is no need to rush, changes can be applied at any time.
If an agreement is reached, supporters can go ahead create their own CRT to gain back nonduality. It's not necessary to delay threads over inconclusive progress.
If you don’t know, GOH CRT usually takes about a MONTH to reach a conclusion, so it’ll be a pain in the ass for GOH supporters to make a CRT just to gain ND back. That’s why i think waiting until the conclusion of the new ND standard would be better for GOH supporters, and it saves them from wasting time on something that can be avoided.
Same. (I'm so freaking tired of waiting month for GOH CRT to reach a conclusion
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I DM him about this about 2 days ago but he hasn't replied yet
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