Garou vs Reinhard (15-5-1)

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Garou FRA.

 

[Ebihara]

Dont really wanna vote. I feel like both sides are putting there fingers in there ears. Put me down for incon

 

[RM97]

Garou FRA

 

[Catbowtie]

An Administrator voted for Garou. Unfortunately a guaranteed loss for Reinhard's side. Admin votes usurp blue name votes.

Even though my vote doesn't really matter, voting Garou because of Phoenk's reasonings

 

[Epiccheev]

An Administrator voted for Garou. Unfortunately a guaranteed loss for Reinhard's side. Admin votes usurp blue name votes.

... This is a vs match, not a CRT. Admin votes count as much as Blue name votes here.

 

[Gamecooob]

An Administrator voted for Garou.

phoenks is not an admin here

or u may just be talm bout someone else idk i didnt read every single msg

 

[Zabazab]

It was already established that Garou does not have a way to defeat Reinhard on account of Divine Protections to counter death and KO, the skill debate is just for funsies.

 

[Phoenks]

It was already established that Garou does not have a way to defeat Reinhard on account of Divine Protections to counter death and KO, the skill debate is just for funsies.

Stamina. Without limitless stamina Reinhard eventually loses.

Thing is that Garou can likely continue indefinitely because he can simultaneously rest while fighting unconsciously. He has done this in OPM before lol.

 

[MrTayman616]

It was already established that Garou does not have a way to defeat Reinhard on account of Divine Protections to counter death and KO, the skill debate is just for funsies.

I'm not sure if there are stated divine protections like that. (At least i don't remember any divine protection like that)

I always thought it was that he can regenerate and resurrect over and over that he can go on fighting endlessly rather than having infinite stamina.

Also is there any divine protection against him getting knocked out or against internal damage that won't kill him but incapacitate him?

 

[Crimsonobu]

I am not that interested in reading 8 pages so what's both characters wincon.

 

[Crimsonobu]

Stamina. Without limitless stamina Reinhard eventually loses.

Thing is that Garou can likely continue indefinitely because he can simultaneously rest while fighting unconsciously. He has done this in OPM before lol.

I dont see this on his profile. Where exactly is it?

 

[Zabazab]

Stamina. Without limitless stamina Reinhard eventually loses.

I posted this twice: "And now, this big bang ceased not with just that one collision; it continued, and continued, and continued. Over and over, again and again, without end, without cease, knowing no end; as if to birth heat, as if to birth light, as if to birth color, as if to birth sound, as if to birth the world anew, as if to cleanly divide the world that was from the world that would be, they collided. ―A battle that could never reach its terminus, between one who would never cease, and one who would never perish."

Is there any divine protection against him getting knocked out or against internal damage that won't kill him but incapacitate him?

Not named, just described on his birthday. I'd presume it's Initiative(?) And he also has the lesser spirits for such things.

 

[Phoenks]

I posted this twice: "And now, this big bang ceased not with just that one collision; it continued, and continued, and continued.
https://i.gyazo.com/26feb478564e038b4e3e256ccb508840.jpg
Over and over, again and again, without end, without cease, knowing no end; as if to birth heat, as if to birth light, as if to birth color, as if to birth sound, as if to birth the world anew, as if to cleanly divide the world that was from the world that would be, they collided. ―A battle that could never reach its terminus, between one who would never cease, and one who would never perish."

Tappei directly contradicts limitless stamina by saying Reinhard can only last a week before having to sleep.

 

[MrTayman616]

Over and over, again and again, without end, without cease, knowing no end; as if to birth heat, as if to birth light, as if to birth color, as if to birth sound, as if to birth the world anew, as if to cleanly divide the world that was from the world that would be, they collided. ―A battle that could never reach its terminus, between one who would never cease, and one who would never perish."

Both are immortal. Reinhard has high-low regen and he can continously resurrect. That's why he can continue endlessly.

Not enough for "endless stamina". Also considering his other situations d:

Not named, just described on his birthday

Then can you send the author's comment please

And he also has the lesser spirits for such things.

High-Low regen is nowhere enough.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

We are all ******* idiots....

This can't actually be added if we restrict the Dragon Slayer Sword, due to it being Standard Equipment and not optional....

Verses Thread rule page

• It is not fine to restrict abilities in a versus matchup, implicitly or expressly. Matches that are arranged this way should not be added to the character profiles, as they don't involve their full potential, and are only intended for casual entertainment.
  • An exception would be if the restricted ability/technique has a separate tier from the main one, and is one the character can consciously restrict themselves from using. In this case, the match can be added.
  • The match can also be added if Optional Equipment such as optional power-ups and items are restricted, or if the ability being restricted is indexed after a "Likely" or "Possibly" conditional.

Bolded the important part.


Standard Equipment page,

• Equipment listed as standard should be equipment the character has access to in a majority of their canon appearances. This is not to be confused with Optional Equipment, which can encompass anything that the character has owned or made use of for an extended period of time, regardless of whether or not it's usually on their person.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

We are all ******* idiots....

This can't actually be added if we restrict the Dragon Slayer Sword, due to it being Standard Equipment and not optional....

Verses Thread rule page

Bolded the important part.


Standard Equipment page,

I thought you could restrict stuff if its in a higher tier?

 

[MrTayman616]

We are all ******* idiots....

This can't actually be added if we restrict the Dragon Slayer Sword, due to it being Standard Equipment and not optional....

Verses Thread rule page

Bolded the important part.


Standard Equipment page,

• An exception would be if the restricted ability/technique has a separate tier from the main one, and is one the character can consciously restrict themselves from using. In this case, the match can be added.

 

[Robo432343]

I thought you could restrict stuff if its in a higher tier?

you can

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I thought you could restrict stuff if its in a higher tier?

Not if we're gonna add it to the page. (Meaning we can't pick and choose what to allow)

 

[Trxyway]

We are all ******* idiots....

This can't actually be added if we restrict the Dragon Slayer Sword, due to it being Standard Equipment and not optional....

Verses Thread rule page

Bolded the important part.


Standard Equipment page,

Hm

 

[Robo432343]

???

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Not if we're gonna add it to the page. (Meaning we can't pick and choose what to allow)

What? But people restrict stuff of higher tiers on other characters all the time and still get them added.

 

[Epiccheev]

Tappei directly contradicts limitless stamina by saying Reinhard can only last a week before having to sleep.

Jevil battle in Deltarune be like:

 

[Catbowtie]

No, restricting higher tiers is allowed and can be added to profiles.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Snip

Ngl, I find it wacky still though, how they separate them, I think it might be a good idea to bring in someone knowledgeable, or?

 

[Phoenks]

I dont see this on his profile. Where exactly is it?

Garou was once knocked out by Orochi, but continued to act autonomously (even fighting autonomously. Managed to nearly kill Pri-Pri Prisoner as well) all the way until he was woken up by Darkshine a couple hours later.

 

[Crimsonobu]

Tappei directly contradicts limitless stamina by saying Reinhard can only last a week before having to sleep.

Spoiler: Arc 9 chapter 23

Flow method restores physical stamina

and Reinhard in a constant state of using flow mmethod so he would be restoring his stamina when fighting. I agree the QNA disagrees with the notion Reinhard is restoring his stamina constantly but that QNA was years ago (and Tappei is knowing for going back on and things) and we know he's using flow method 24/7.

 

[Zabazab]

Tappei directly contradicts limitless stamina by saying Reinhard can only last a week before having to sleep.

And yet he can keep fighting due to his Divine Protections. If he had none he'd be done after a week. This doesn't contradict Tappei's statement, especially when Tappei also stated Satella vs Reinhard is an endless fight years before we were told so in the story. Even if it was a contradiction, the story would take priority over word of god, otherwise Reinhard would be like tier 2 or smthn, which would be silly.

Q: Even without the Dragon Sword Reid, can Reinhard defeat Satella and Reid?

A: Due to a problem of compatibility, his fight with Satella wouldn't end. Taking on Reid would be difficult, indeed. Since there's a high chance that the Dragon Sword Reid can't be drawn against Reid.

You also have not proven Garou rests while sleeping, or that his regeneration resupplies his stamina as well as healing injuries as standard. Otherwise Reinhard's High-Low simply does the same for him.

Then can you send the author's comment please

This one(?)

High-Low regen is nowhere enough.

It absolutely is. There's no non-fatal wound that High-Low can't recover.

 

[Crimsonobu]

Tappei directly contradicts limitless stamina by saying Reinhard can only last a week before having to sleep.

Spoiler: Arc 9 chapter 23

Flow method restores physical stamina

and Reinhard in a constant state of using flow mmethod so he would be restoring his stamina when fighting. I agree the QNA disagrees with the notion Reinhard is restoring his stamina constantly but that QNA was years ago (and Tappei is knowing for going back on and things) and we know he's using flow method 24/7.

 

[Zabazab]

We

We?

 

[Phoenks]

You also have not proven Garou rests while sleeping

Are you serious?

 

[Catbowtie]

Hey Phoenix, for 100k dollars every 10 seconds, how long could you endure in a fight against blood-lusted Cosmic Garou? You can’t die and you’re indestructible but you still feel pain and you can’t go unconscious from pain.

 

[Crimsonobu]

LAG, thats embarrassing

 

[MrTayman616]

It absolutely is. There's no non-fatal wound that High-Low can't recover.

...literally any high internal damage.

 

[Epiccheev]

If 2 QnA contradict eachother the most recent one should be given the priority.

 

[Gamecooob]

ou also have not proven Garou rests while sleeping

what do you do while sleeping? You, the guy behind the screen?

 

[Crimsonobu]

If 2 QnA contradict eachother the most recent one should be given the priority.

Furthermore if the story more recently says flow method restores stamina then I also think its something to factor for the guy who uses flow method 24/7.

 

[Epiccheev]

...literally any high internal damage.

Garou hitting him with that Hepatic Esteatosis Fist and some Chronic lower back pain and Insulin resistance increasing kicks.

 

[MrTayman616]

what do you do while sleeping? You, the guy behind the screen?

I spin on the bed. Then wake up as i dream of falling.

Tired and screaming while in sweat

 

[Crimsonobu]

Garou was once knocked out by Orochi, but continued to act autonomously (even fighting autonomously. Managed to nearly kill Pri-Pri Prisoner as well) all the way until he was woken up by Darkshine a couple hours later.

Thanks but I meant is it enough to warrant indefinitely like you said. The very thing that leads into God amping him is becoming exhausted in garygole form to the point of huffiing and puffing and struggling to stand, and then being punched into the atmosphere and unconsciousness.