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Infinite Zamasu: A dreadful upgrade

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Although I am familiar with Dragon Ball & Super, I am not experienced with higher dimensional stuff, & this seems like an intense topic.
Also, I am quite sleepy at this time.
Apologies.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
If I understand Qaw correctly his stance was that Infinite Zamasu began as 2-C but by the time he reached Goku's timeline he had become Low 1-C. So ToP god tiers onwards would be outright Low 1-C via scaling above IZ's energy.
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What is the difference between "eventually" and "up to"?
CryoTheMayo said:
So ToP god tiers onwards would be outright Low 1-C via scaling above IZ's energy.
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I had this on the back of my mind reading this thread but my brain literally refused the idea so hard the actual line of thought was erased
Also, as I saw, OP is using narrative here, are we sure that the narrative (T.O.P specifically) support the idea of multiple l1cs?
Best as I see it, this is IZ and IZ alone, if zeno cant stopped it in time, everyone's cooked.
Also, funny as it is, the "it was proven in other thread thingy already happened" it would be so much easier to just say MZ is getting stronger to where he is IZ, chalk it up by concept manip or sum
 
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LegendariumOfLies said:
1-C Yamcha when? My GOAT needs his respect
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eibwen said:
What is the difference between "eventually" and "up to"?
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I suppose 'eventually' would imply he didn't actually reach Low 1-C but could have. Whereas 'up to' means he did achieve Low 1-C status but it wasn't immediate.
eibwen said:
I had this on the back of my mind reading this thread but my brain literally refused the idea so hard the actual line of thought was erased
Also, as I saw, OP is using narrative here, are we sure that the narrative (T.O.P specifically) support the idea of multiple l1cs?
Best as I see it, this is IZ and IZ alone, if zeno cant stopped it in time, everyone's cooked.
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Nothing in the narrative contradicts the notion.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
If I understand Qaw correctly his stance was that Infinite Zamasu began as 2-C but by the time he reached Goku's timeline he had become Low 1-C. So ToP god tiers onwards would be outright Low 1-C via scaling above IZ's energy.
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Assuming the logic behind them being beyond IZ's energy holds up. Just being stronger than IZ at some point isn't the same as being stronger than him after breaching the current timeline's time stream.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Assuming the logic behind them being beyond IZ's energy holds up. Just being stronger than IZ at some point isn't the same as being stronger than him after breaching the current timeline's time stream.
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Yeah, Jiren is the strongest. It's stated by multiple characters that Jiren is indeed the mightiest enemy they have ever gone up against in terms of power. Even Beerus, the same person who sensed Zamasu's energy and deduced that he was messing with time was absolutely shook by Jiren's energy. Way more than he ever was with Zamasu. Jiren scaling above is just thrown in our faces to be honest.
 
Vietthai96 said:
i'm going to make one and only reply to you, if a character fused with the entirety of the structure, they get both HDE and AP if the structure was tiered, so what you mentioned was a completely wrong presentation of the standard. HDE =/= AP only applicable in case the HDE themselves possesses non-significant dimensions, if the dimensions are significant and can be tiered, HDE = AP, now i hope this answer your question and please, don't derail the thread anymore
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Chariot190 said:
why is this AP anyway instead of ED or just HDE.
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Very tempted to argue that stance ngl.
Kind of need to show it's not simply a state of existence and they can output said degree of power as well.
 
Maybe I'm missing something but the feat reads more as "2-C, would eventually become Low 1-C" than what's currently being suggested.

Additionally scaling everyone to IZ's energy makes sense for the 2-C scaling, but not Low 1-C if he never achieved it.
 
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Something worth noting is that all the staff who have "agreed" with the proposal did so with this intent
SomebodyData said:
Maybe I'm missing something but the feat reads more as "2-C, would eventually become Low 1-C" than what's currently being suggested.

Additionally scaling everyone to IZ's energy makes sense for the 2-C scaling, but not Low 1-C if he never achieved it.
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Meaning, we currently have 0 staff accepting anyone scaling from it, and 4 staff who think "He would eventually be Low 1C.

So yeah, the vote tally looks a bit deceiving, but not intentional or rule-breaking (Malicious).
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
Something worth noting is that all the staff who have "agreed" with the proposal did so with this intent

Meaning, we currently have 0 staff accepting anyone scaling from it, and 4 staff who think "He would eventually be Low 1C.

So yeah, the vote tally looks a bit deceiving, but not intentional or rule-breaking (Malicious).
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What are you on about? Where In the vote tally op mentioned that the scaling is accepted the original purpose of this thread was to make zamasu low 1c which is what staff accepted atleast qaw and vieth accepted with the upto low 1c rating and DDM agreed with qaw given qaw never changed his stance and just explained it to vieth further.

Scaling is something that was brought up on the thread because of the new rule which is currently an ongoing discussion
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
Something worth noting is that all the staff who have "agreed" with the proposal did so with this intent

Meaning, we currently have 0 staff accepting anyone scaling from it, and 4 staff who think "He would eventually be Low 1C.

So yeah, the vote tally looks a bit deceiving, but not intentional or rule-breaking (Malicious).
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???

Qaw himself said "up to" rating is better and he is just waiting for Low 1-C scaling argument.

Saying  all staff did with "eventually" rating is quite literally wrong. Also you speak as if OP is making a crime for... idk, just putting the staff vote tally? Don't you agree?
 
Killerdrone123 said:
What are you on about? Where In the vote tally op mentioned that the scaling is accepted the original purpose of this thread was to make zamasu low 1c which is what staff accepted atleast qaw and vieth accepted with the upto low 1c rating and DDM agreed with qaw given qaw never changed his stance and just explained it to vieth further.

Scaling is something that was brought up on the thread because of the new rule which is currently an ongoing discussion
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"2-C, up to Low 1-C" (Which is what the OP is suggesting as of the last edit) is very different from "2-C, would eventually become Low 1-C", especially in the context of knowing there was an intended scaling thread in the future.
 
SomebodyData said:
"2-C, up to Low 1-C" (Which is what the OP is suggesting as of the last edit) is very different from "2-C, would eventually become Low 1-C", especially in the context of knowing there was an intended scaling thread in the future.
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Please read the message pointed by Ronin thank you qaw himself said upto low 1c is better than eventually
 
Killerdrone123 said:
Please read the message pointed by Ronin thank you qaw himself said upto low 1c is better than eventually
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I'm explaining why counting all staff votes as a yes wasn't entirely accurate.

Qaw did sure, but they aren't DDM or the other staff.
 
What? It's not almost Low 1C, it's up to Low 1C. And what arguments did they make that you agree with?

For all the accusations of this being a steath upgrade, I'm seeing a lot of stealth disagrees where nobody has actually constructed an argument for why they disagree so the people who want to disagree can only vaguely gesture to others they think are disagreeing.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I was doing it under the assumption that the AP upgrade happened semk-quickly. If Chariot is right then it would just be my original proposal of "Eventually Low 1-C" that no one scales to.
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Qaw, I honestly don't understand what is going on here. Why are you deferring to Chariot when Vietthai already pointed out what was wrong with the argument? And I already proved Zamasu's energy was effecting time itself as per the statements, even disregarding his literal energy transcending the boundaries of the timeline, and merging with it entirely. Whis literally says it's an energy along with Beerus. It's AP. That's what the big bolded paragraph I wrote mentions and clarifies. You yourself already agreed with the notion of Zamasu becoming Low 1-C when he reached the present timeline. You said that to Vietthai. So again, by your own admission, It's still just Low 1-C and the following characters we stated still scale. We agreed that "up to Low 1-C" seems the most appropriate. There is no "eventually" anymore.

And it is in fact Zamasu's energy that's doing all this. This is common knowledge. It shot out from his literal body and merged with the fabric of time. As Vietthai explained already. It would be HDE (Which Zamasu already has) and the actual rating to go along with it, which was the point of the thread. I mean come on, Zamasu already had 2-C and the justification was him merging with spacetime. There are literally zero problems here. The conclusions we came to are quite literally the most solid we could have right now.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
What? It's not almost Low 1C, it's up to Low 1C. And what arguments did they make that you agree with?

For all the accusations of this being a steath upgrade, I'm seeing a lot of stealth disagrees where nobody has actually constructed an argument for why they disagree so the people who want to disagree can only vaguely gesture to others they think are disagreeing.
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I was making a reference in that jokepost, not an actual argument lol. There was no malice intended.

And like I said, I think their points make sense. You implying that I'm "stealth disagreeing" is straight nonsense. I simply want to see where others agree and disagree and come to my own conclusions afterwards. In other words, I am currently neutral.
 
Wonder_of_Fantasy said:
I was making a reference in that jokepost, not an actual argument lol. There was no malice intended.

And like I said, I think their points make sense. You implying that I'm "stealth disagreeing" is straight nonsense. I simply want to see where others agree and disagree and come to my own conclusions afterwards. In other words, I am currently neutral.
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It's hard to see it as nonsense when you still haven’t been specific with which points of theirs you agree with. You said their points make sense. What points?
 
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