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The Mah-vel Unfawking Thread Step Three: I Came Back with Milk

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Isn't Dr. Strange at his lowest High 8-C or smth lol.

EDIT: Also the scan seems to imply that it's beyond his usual output at that level, so y'know. Suspect.
 
God the scan they use for 5-A is so ******* jank why the hell does that scale to physical tiers lmao, and it especially shouldn't mean every attack ever by Strange is 5-A. Ig another revision down the line, ugh.

Anyways from the looks of things I don't think anyone really scales to Strange, except Doom, so. And even beyond that you can infer that since Strange is variable we can say we don't know what level corresponds to what and scale characters off that.
 
The_Impress said:
God the scan they use for 5-A is so ******* jank why the hell does that scale to physical tiers lmao, and it especially shouldn't mean every attack ever by Strange is 5-A. Ig another revision down the line, ugh.

Anyways from the looks of things I don't think anyone really scales to Strange, except Doom, so.
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Doom's profile mentions he can trade blows with Thing. eh?
 
Rex_Eckles said:
Doom's profile mentions he can trade blows with Thing. eh?
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Doom is a different tier that Strange.

And again the Variable thing. It's not like we have power levels to work off of, narration implies the moon feat is beyond Strange's expected output in that state.

Framing would be, for it to work as a low-end, is "Ugh I can't defeat Mephisto, I've used literally everything I can and can't do no more, all I can do right now is blow up a moon" something to that effect.

Like conceptually he can't be any weaker, that's what we need, not him pulling up aces from his sleeve.
 
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Normal Strange, not quite 48-hour fatigued, nearly insane, shouldn't have energy left Strange, right?
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Yeah and according to the narration he does something he shouldn't have had the ability to do in that state, so it means he wasn't in that state. It's a stamina feat, not a low-end feat lol
 
The_Impress said:
I mean... that's the ************* Dark Phoenix. That's not really Ben's usual wheelhouse.

Even beyond that, that's a weirdly small moon.
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That was a robot copying Dark Phoenix's powers to the limited degree that was displayed here, not the real deal.

However, the Impossible Man created a replica of the Marvel Comics Earth and its Moon, so I think that the artist not displaying the Moon at its proper size visually should just be considered as artistic license.

If we get it calculated, it seems like a good feat to scale Thing level characters from combined with that the Thing withstood a blast from Galactus that could split a planet in half. 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
That is a robot copying Dark Phoenix's powers to the limited degree was displayed here, not the real deal.

However, the Impossible Man created a replica of the Marvel Comics Earth and its Moon, so I think that the artist not displaying the Moon at its proper size visually should just be considered as artistic license.

It seems like a good feat to scale Thing level characters from combined with that the Thing withstood a blast from Galactus that could split a planet in half. 🙏
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That has actually been calculated here. Just needs an evaluation.

On that note, I found this respect thread for Magneto that might have some potentially calculable feats (regardless of tier):
1. Magneto pulls a giant bullet to Earth at near light-speed (likely peak feat, but it can be debated and regardless is still worth considering)
2. Quickly pulls this thing into space.
3. Could make a world-wide EMP and disrupted the Earth's M-field.
 
Rex_Eckles said:
That has actually been calculated here. Just needs an evaluation.

On that note, I found this respect thread for Magneto that might have some potentially calculable feats (regardless of tier):
1. Magneto pulls a giant bullet to Earth at near light-speed (likely peak feat, but it can be debated and regardless is still worth considering)
2. Quickly pulls this thing into space.
3. Could make a world-wide EMP and disrupted the Earth's M-field.
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Thank you very much for the information and for helping out. 🙏❤️
 
Antvasima said:
That was a robot copying Dark Phoenix's powers to the limited degree that was displayed here, not the real deal.

However, the Impossible Man created a replica of the Marvel Comics Earth and its Moon, so I think that the artist not displaying the Moon at its proper size visually should just be considered as artistic license.
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If it's Impossible Man that's an even more suspect feat considering that is a gag character.
Antvasima said:
If we get it calculated, it seems like a good feat to scale Thing level characters from combined with that the Thing withstood a blast from Galactus that could split a planet in half. 🙏
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We already rejected the Planetary Split, no?
Suigetsuhyugs said:
The same 3-C Sue Storm?
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up to Galaxy level with Forcefields (Blocked attacks from the Impossible Man and Gladiator)[63][64]
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The very.
Rex_Eckles said:
That has actually been calculated here. Just needs an evaluation.

On that note, I found this respect thread for Magneto that might have some potentially calculable feats (regardless of tier):
1. Magneto pulls a giant bullet to Earth at near light-speed (likely peak feat, but it can be debated and regardless is still worth considering)
2. Quickly pulls this thing into space.
3. Could make a world-wide EMP and disrupted the Earth's M-field.
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Magneto's weird to scale to.
 
The_Impress said:
If it's Impossible Man that's an even more suspect feat considering that is a gag character.
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A very powerful gag character who has a history of creating a planet populated by insane power-replicating copies of the Marvel Comics characters during the old Chris Claremont/Alan Davis Excalibur comicbook run.
The_Impress said:
We already rejected the Planetary Split, no?
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Okay. I forgot about that. 🙏
 
The_Impress said:
Like that's a 150 characters there, you're not starved for characters, this isn't even Spider-Man tier where there is really only one S-Lister.

If you can't come up with more than 8 feats for whatever tier you're suggesting without ******* over someone else's actual researched scaling, I think it should dawn on you already what the entire problem is.

Nova got researched that's why he's the tiers he is, Iron Man armors got researched that's why they're the tiers they are.

I literally made an entire thread for removing Champion of the Universe from the scaling for THIS EXACT reason

I'm sorry I sound heated but this is the fact of the matter, we literally SAW what happens when you stack revisions with that weirdass Herald revision that ****** everything up, hell you're critical of it. So please don't repeat it.
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There is no need to be so rude and obnoxious. I'm not trying to stack a bunch of revisions on this thread or derail it, I literally said I didn't want to do anything about scaling yet and I'm going to do research for a thread later down the line. All I was doing was indicating my intentions for the future, which I thought I made obvious by saying I didn't expect or want to discuss it here. I have given a handful of Planet level feats because I think they are consistent, I don't see how that "***** over someone else's actual researched scaling."

I don't think peak feats are an issue for Tier 5 or 4 because that's just a common thing in comics. We already know that different writers treat the characters as having different power levels. Like Dan Jurgens said that he didn't write Odin to be a Galaxy buster, and that his limits are closer to Planet level.Thor needed Wonder Man and Iron Man's help to catch a rock with the mass of a city. Namor found it extremely difficult to lift an airship. Every Marvel character has like dozens of anti-feats, so I don't see why we would treat peak feats any differently.
 
 
ObberGobb said:
Proxima Midnight's spear is a Sun and a supernova at the same time, and has the weight of a star
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I'm pretty sure they're saying that the star it was forged in was a supernova and newly-born star at the same time, being trapped distorted space-time.
 
The_Impress said:
If it's Impossible Man that's an even more suspect feat considering that is a gag character.

We already rejected the Planetary Split, no?


The very.

Magneto's weird to scale to.
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IIRC Magneto and Doom were once stated to be rivals in power so I'd have to look for that but still something
 
ObberGobb said:
I think that is a good feat to use. I think the Tier 5 range is looking very consistent, and I'd personally argue even for maybe Tier 4
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What other Tier 4 feats are there for low-tier heralds? So far, all we have is Super Skrull's detonating stars and Black Bolt surviving the T-Bomb.
 
Rex_Eckles said:
What other Tier 4 feats are there for low-tier heralds? So far, all we have is Super Skrull's detonating stars and Black Bolt surviving the T-Bomb.
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Proxima Midnight's spear having the weight of a star is the big one for me
 
Rex_Eckles said:
Why would that be Tier 4? I'm pretty the the most we can get from that is PE, which I remember doing the rough math myself a month ago and it only got Low 5-B.
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Him carrying that thing around is already a Tier 5 cause of the KE. Hell, he only needs to swing it at 16 m/s for it to be 5-B, and needless to say, he can do it much faster than that.
 
Da3ggman said:
Him carrying that thing around is already a Tier 5 cause of the KE. Hell, he only needs to swing it at 16 m/s for it to be 5-B, and needless to say, he can do it much faster than that.
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I did the rough math for the KE of swinging it at accepted Athletic Human sword swinging speeds would yield ~80 Zettatons of TNT and just carrying it around at ~1.6 meters would yield ~7 Zettatons of TNT.

I'll quickly summarize the feats so far in a minute.
 
I'm sorry, but was the fake moon that The Thing tanked actually stated to weigh the same as the actual moon? Because it was nowhere near that big in the panel.
 
The feats so far (let me know if any have been rejected):

Grey Hulk shatters an asteroid - High 5-A (still listing it here to see if it's an outlier)
Classic Ms. Marvel scales to Hectate burning the world - High 6-A
Super Skrull threatens the planet - 5-B
Super Skrull claims to have destroyed planets and stars - 5-B to 4-C
Thing survives robo-Phoenix throwing a moon on him - Low 5-B
Proxima Midnight carries and swings around the weight of a star - likely Low 5-B up to 5-B
Blastaar channels planet-destroying energy - 5-B
Blue Marvel could split the Moon in two - High 6-A
Black Bolt survived a multi-light year wide explosion - 4-B (if that old webarchive calc is valid)
Quasar's shields could effortlessly survive a solar flare - High 6-A
Quasar could channel the energy of a solar flare - High 6-A
 
Eseseso said:
I'm sorry, but was the fake moon that The Thing tanked actually stated to weigh the same as the actual moon? Because it was nowhere near that big in the panel.
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I'm pretty sure that was chalked up to artistic license.
 
Rex_Eckles said:
The feats so far (let me know if any have been rejected):

Grey Hulk shatters an asteroid - High 5-A (still listing it here to see if it's an outlier)
Classic Ms. Marvel scales to Hectate burning the world - High 6-A
Super Skrull threatens the planet - 5-B
Super Skrull claims to have destroyed planets and stars - 5-B to 4-C
Thing survives robo-Phoenix throwing a moon on him - Low 5-B
Proxima Midnight carries and swings around the weight of a star - likely Low 5-B up to 5-B
Blastaar channels planet-destroying energy - 5-B
Blue Marvel could split the Moon in two - High 6-A
Black Bolt survived a multi-light year wide explosion - 4-B (if that old webarchive calc is valid)
Quasar's shields could effortlessly survive a solar flare - High 6-A
Quasar could channel the energy of a solar flare - High 6-A
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There is also the statement of Blastaar having the power to shatter worlds. On its own it wouldn't be enough for 5-B, but the wording of "shatter" and the fact that there are many other Tier 5 feats lends credibility to the statement.
 
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