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Maki Zenin VS Ruby Rose (10-6-2) FINISHED
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lmaoooo
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It is a bullet yes. An explosive bullet, but a bullet all the same.
I heard you, and im telling you that it wouldnt matter because the aoe is around the bullwt as its traveling, so even if she dodged the bullet, if it was anywhere near her when she did so, she would still be injured. Also, if she is physically moving a distance that isn't just reactions, that is combat speed.
You may want to check her profile then because that is what is listed. And again, she has equipment that restores her aura because it is limited.
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The explosion is not piercing damage. It's only piercing damage if the bullet actually directly hits her.
Show the AoE you're talking about? I never seen that in any of the clips.
Also, 3x higher reactions + prediction means she will be out of the sight of the bullets completely.
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Mind explaining what they mean by "minimal rest?" Sounds like a lot of breaks too me.
I don't mind going to see where this comes from though. Or maybe you have it?
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Was she fighting people relative to her? Ik they tend to fight grimms a lot, so just wanted to know if its just her beating on mobs of weak grimms or fighting people strong as her.
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It was a mix of grimm of varying levels of power but a good number being comparable to her, the ace ops, cinder, neo, and Salem.
People tend to forget that the entirety of volume 8 took place over less than 2 days, and they spent the entirety of that time either fighting, planning for a fight, or traveling somewhere to fight, as they were in the middle of a full scale invasion.
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Even if they are trash mobs, they still are fighting most the time and in the earlier volumes they also fought over practically a full day. Like that still requires your stamina even if you stomp them because semblances and stuff require aura and they swing around like madmen rather than love tapping anything weaker than them.
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John Deep might have a chance but i aint posting for it.
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Yes, that is how bullets work.
Again, if she is completely moving her entire body over a distance that is not reactions, that is combat speed. And Ruby had analytical prediction as well.
see my previous comment.
People tend to forget that the entirety of volume 8 took place over less than 2 days, and they spent the entirety of that time either fighting, planning for a fight, or traveling somewhere to fight, as they were in the middle of a full scale invasion.
Even in the Beacon arc ruby and her team had the stamina to fight an entire city's worth of grimm from dawn to sundown without taking any breaks the entire day before needing to stop to rest.
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I'm still confused as to why her reaction speed is being considered higher than her combat speed when all the feats she has listed for higher reactions are just her combat speed. Reactions are slight movements, not moving your entire body several meters or swinging your limbs around to block attacks. That would be combat speed.
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And she isn't going to be hit by the bullets so there's no piercing damage.
In the first place you responded saying the AP would be more impactful because of piercing damage even when talking about explosions?
There is no "piercing damage" happening here so she is not going to be one shot whatsoever. That was your original point.
Reactionary movements can immediately allow her to dodge the trajectory of the bullets. From there her combat speed will get her out of their AoE. So she's just not gonna be hit by that stuff.
"Planning for a fight," "travelling," etc are all rest periods that don't count towards the stamina..
Scan of the second paragraph?
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Seems fine. I wouldn't say it's above Maki honestly, prob just similar. Maki can also just heal in minutes.
The description isn't that good on page and yeah most those are just combat speed. Her reactions aren't really higher, she's just got better senses which make her reactions earlier than without them.
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I mean, Ruby has basically all the tools she needs to solidly win, the means to stay out of maki's range via her semblance, a weapon that allows her to just constantly take pot shots at her until one connects, the stamina to outlast her, enough aura restorative gear to ensure she won't run out of aura any time soon, and the prior knowledge of the soul cutting sword to know not to engage in cqc with her
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If we assume the Ruby won't get hit once she wins
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If the issues I brought up regarding her reaction speed not being higher than her combat speed are applied she would not be faster. Plus Ruby has literally tagged people with ftl reaction speed with ber shots before.
thats...not how reaction speed works my guy. If she is moving any distance its combat speed, not reaction speed, and thus would fall under speed equalization. And if she isn't moving a distance, she gets tagged by the gravity dust bullets.
They weren't just sitting around, they were actively moving around the city on foot for the majority of the invasion.
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Sorry, episode 9, not 11
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Her semblance grants her flight as well as amping her speed to the point that people comparable to her normally are unable to perceive her and they move in slow motion from her perspective, and she spams it in-characters as well as having a good amount of equipment to restory her Aura so she won't have to worry about running out. That on top of having a sniper rifle as a weapon that she is a master shot with as well as having elemental bullets with AoE effects, one of which is having AoE around the bullet itself as it travels and has significantly higher power than her physical AP.
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Nothing that have been shown in this thread come close to this. It's not even a blitz level by the scans
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I mean Ruby should have limited resistance to soul Manipulation via People with Aura can survive with chunks of their souls missing, abilet it weakens them. Additionally, attempting to transfer Aura to the Grimm instead causes them to attempt to drain it from the user. Someone had a good chunk of his soul absorbed by a grimm and lived
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Did no one post any scans then? Because she is portrayed as having this level of speed in basically every instance of her using it
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The problem is it also negates physical durability and forcefields
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Is this really impressive? They're just moving around, you'd expect superhumans to at least be capable of running and jumping after fights no? Is there ever a moment where Ruby is injured severely and she's still moving and fighting? Characters like Nanami could still fight a horde of transfigured humans while most of his upper body was burned off, and this is after he was helping out in Shibuya and got beat up by Dagon. Yuji's getting his torso rubix cubed by Sukuna and keeps moving after it, Yuki had her arm destroyed and fought like nothing was wrong.
Personally moving around a lot throughout the day isn't demonstrative of superhuman stamina, if you're healthy you can do that as a regular human. Pretty sure humans with good stamina can run for hours. Could I see an example of her fighting someone relative for a long time maybe?
I think it was brought up how Maki fights stronger people and isn't put down by their attacks.
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That wouldn't be stamina, that would be endurance, that distinction has been a thing for a few years now.
Stamina = How long someone can fight
Endurance = Being able to continue fighting with serious injuries
If you're looking for solid numbers though, her stamina scales to professor Rumpole and Carmine Esclados, who fought each other nonstop for several hours straight without either of them getting tired in the Before The Dawn novel
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You haven't read the stamina page in a while, pain and injury tolerance are listed as examples of types of stamina. And idk where that idea came from, if you've got severe injuries like missing an arm or ruptured organs, your body will switch on or off it's use of resources (blood, endorphins, adrenaline, etc) for those injured parts or focus solely on them. The body will respond to different injuries differently, a simple cut doesn't send a lot of nociceptive signals to the brain but a sliced up organ will and in order for you to push past the pain, the body will release a ton of endorphin to suppress the pain.
I'm still unsure how good Ruby's stamina is compared to Maki's but I don't think its a big part of this.
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Wait it was changed back? When I was here 2 years ago it was a separation for stamina and endurance, with endurance also being a qualifier for pain resistance. How strange.
But yeah, like I said, on top of having feats of fighting a city's worth of grimm over the course of a day and fighting for two days straight against the invasion of atlas with minimal rest and no sleep, there's also stuff like the events of Arrowfell taking place over two days with them explicitly not having time to rest between deployments while fighting a horde of grimm, a splinter faction of the atlas military, and a team of pro huntresses.
As well as the aforementioned scaling to rumpole and carmine
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Why stamina matters? This fight won't last long if you count any of the wincons
Maki either slash her in one hit, or Ruby attacks her for idk, 10-20 minutes non stop until putting her down
Maki either slash her in one hit, or Ruby attacks her for idk, 10-20 minutes non stop until putting her down
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Well, it's been 4 pages of debate so I think it's already good to start voting
It's Maki for me
I cannot see Ruby dodging Maki for several minutes when she got insane movement in the air, as well as being capable to feel every change in density and temperatura around her, allowing Maki to dodge invisible attacks faster than her. Plus Maki's stealth that could be useful (for example, if she gets injured, Maki could hide and heal in less than 4 minutes)
Maki only needs one hit. If Ruby gets in a corner is over. She cannot block, and even if she dodge it, it would be with the cost of at least a limb
Ruby's amb so far and by all scans it's just a movement amp, far from blitz level, which makes it even worst
So yea, Maki FRA
It's Maki for me
I cannot see Ruby dodging Maki for several minutes when she got insane movement in the air, as well as being capable to feel every change in density and temperatura around her, allowing Maki to dodge invisible attacks faster than her. Plus Maki's stealth that could be useful (for example, if she gets injured, Maki could hide and heal in less than 4 minutes)
Maki only needs one hit. If Ruby gets in a corner is over. She cannot block, and even if she dodge it, it would be with the cost of at least a limb
Ruby's amb so far and by all scans it's just a movement amp, far from blitz level, which makes it even worst
So yea, Maki FRA
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Pretty much yeah
This fighting is basically:
Without prior knowledge - Ruby goes for CQC and gets cut in half the first time she tries to block a sword swing
With prior knowledge- Ruby plays keepaway the entire fight and spams her semblance and dust bullets until one connects, she shoots close enough for the gravity dust to take a chunk out of her, or maki gets close enough to a wall for her to get hit by the elemental aoe
This fighting is basically:
Without prior knowledge - Ruby goes for CQC and gets cut in half the first time she tries to block a sword swing
With prior knowledge- Ruby plays keepaway the entire fight and spams her semblance and dust bullets until one connects, she shoots close enough for the gravity dust to take a chunk out of her, or maki gets close enough to a wall for her to get hit by the elemental aoe
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The characters are strong enough to destroy the entire place or just cut through a wall.
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A movement amp here is super helpful when she wants to be as far away from maki as possible and Maki has no way to actually close the distance gained through greater speed, and Ruby is shown in character to rather dash through a wall then stick in a corner (as shown by the Harriet fight)
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You are wrong.
Ruby Has prior knowledge of maki's sword, she would not go into cqc ever.
ruby's amp is very much blitz level, it makes her imperceptible to people comparable to her normally and slows them down to near frozen from her perspective.
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You say that like she can't just break through the wall lmao
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Yes, by implying that Ruby would ever allow Maki to get into cqc range seeing as she has full knowledge of how her sword works as per the OP
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At 3:20 for this clip. For reference, at this point in the series, the blonde guy is slower than Ruby, the orange haired girl and the black haired guy are comparable to her in speed, and the red haired girl is faster than Ruby to the point that she is normally untouchable by her as well as having arguable Relativistic feats. This was also before ruby has even mastered her semblance.
Harriet here is shown to move fast enough with her Semblance that the environment around her and everyone in it slows to a crawl, and Ruby is repeatedly shown to be comparable to her in speed throughout this season and the next.
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