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That seems more like a problem with their profile as they should have Non physical interaction: Elemental Intangibility for that
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(1v2) Mori Jin VS Ruby Rose & Weiss Schnee (9-0-0) FINISHED
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Again, this feels more like a gripe with how this site treats NPI, because vie been told the exact opposite by staff multiple times in the past.
Proof?
Again, Aura users have Non-Physical Interaction. Thats like saying One Piece's Logia intangibility isnt actual intangibility because Haki users can hit them.
An unfortunate inaccuracy on that profile then, becaue Aura users have consistent feats of physically interacting with Elementally intangible opponents as well as immaterial opponents without the use of prep, just physically grabbing them in-combat.
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It would more likely be a weakness for Ruby.
Considering that Ruby is still concentrated enough to take on a form that is between solid and liquid, it would actually make sense that someone could still physically interact with her.
In fact, there is practically no reason one wouldn't be able to. She lacks feats of actually taking on a gaseous state or a true liquid state. If her only feats against physical strikes in her semblance is... being affected by them... then there is no reason to assume regular people can't hit her.
Uh, its not?
You have a guy who can interact with literal shadows and souls, against a girl who... turns into a state that is... at best between solid and liquid.
This isn't rocket science to figure out. You're just being purposefully dumb about it.
Considering that Ruby is still concentrated enough to take on a form that is between solid and liquid, it would actually make sense that someone could still physically interact with her.
In fact, there is practically no reason one wouldn't be able to. She lacks feats of actually taking on a gaseous state or a true liquid state. If her only feats against physical strikes in her semblance is... being affected by them... then there is no reason to assume regular people can't hit her.
Uh, its not?
You have a guy who can interact with literal shadows and souls, against a girl who... turns into a state that is... at best between solid and liquid.
This isn't rocket science to figure out. You're just being purposefully dumb about it.
Exactly what I'm asking from you. It is on you to prove that she can do such a thing. Not on me to prove that she can't.
Their NPI is conditional through preparation. False equivalence on the latter sentence.
Refer to the above.
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ruby turns into that mist thing to make attacks against her useless
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Proof? From what I've seen she uses it to dodge being attacked in the first place.
I have not seen her be directly attacked in Semblance form and not be affected by the attack.
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Also in Arrowfell she literally goes through Grimm with her Semblance
- Petal Burst+: Thanks to her training under Harriet in Atlas, Ruby's Semblance evolved further, allowing her to move at even higher speeds, while also rendering her momentarily invulnerable while her Semblance is active.
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Scans or it didn't happen tbh. I don't trust you guys at all on words alone. Not after what I am hearing y'all claim lmfao.
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That's because of Non Physical Interaction that isn't on the profile
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There's a In game explanation that says what's above
"Use Ruby's enhanced Semblance to strike a more aerodynamic pose and super speed dash across wider gaps then before! While using this Semblance, Ruby will be momentarily invulnerable"
In game it let's you fly through and past Grimm or enemies
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There is reason, she is outright shown to be intangible. She is not solid, she is literally stated to be a cloud of molecules. Thus far the only thing that has shown to be able to interact with her in this state are Aura users that can interact with intangible things as a result of their Aura.
And again, i am STILL waiting for you to post that clip you said you had of Ruby's semblance being stopped by a wall.
No, you are purposefully ignoring the way we handle NPI ad Intangibility here. The entire reason we even have a distinction for different types of intangibility is because you need feats of each type to be assumed to be able to interact with them.
I literally posted a clip of her recombining herself after scattering her molecules.
It is not. The page is wrong.
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Regarding Non-Physical Interaction and Intangibility/Incorporeality
So this issue was brought up in this thread, and I figured I'd make this thread to clear it up. We have a character who can become elementally intangible (Type 1 Intangibility) fighting a character with Non-Physical Interaction towards immaterial intangibility [shadows, energy, and spirits]...
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Elemental intangibility only makes you harder to harm. It does not make you impossible to physically interact with.
You are 10000% doing this on purpose.
"EXTERNAL FORCE"
Something that is not of her own doing.
She can reform from her own ability, sure. But can she reform when that ability is disrupted by an external force?
Example:
Ruby activates semblance -> disassembles her molecules -> the disassembled molecules are scattered away by an external force (Such as Mori Jin's tornado vortex wind kicks) -> Ruby reforms
Or is it always she disassembles them herself and then reassembles them herself? Because that ain't really the same thing lol
Like for example, if I am a fire guy who disassembles and reassembles from fire.. but then someone comes along and blows away/scatters my fire, then I would need feats to be able to still come back from that.
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I mean, IDK why Mori's profile doesn't list that he can interact with Elemental too.
One of the scans is literally someone interacting with Flame + interacting with Darkness should mean he can interact with Elemental too since Darkness seems to count as part of Elemental.
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One of the scans is literally someone interacting with Flame + interacting with Darkness should mean he can interact with Elemental too since Darkness seems to count as part of Elemental.
Elemental Manipulation
The most frequently occurring theory of classical elements, held by the Hindu, Japanese, and Greek systems of thought, is that there are five elements, namely Earth, Water, Air, Fire, and a fifth element known variously as space. The main types of elemental manipulation used in fiction are...
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Yuh it would be pointless argument anyway since the guy interacts with non-physical elements and energies regardless but even still i firmly believe it is ridiculous to say a guy who can interact with non-physical things can not also interact with diluted forms of physicality.
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The rules is the rules, thats why i made the thread
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We'll see what the thread has to say about it.
The source does not matter. She is a broken down cloud of molecules and can reform at will. At one point she was able to spread her molecules across a courtyard and fill a clocktower with them. And this is assuming Mori even COULD disperse her when she is able to actively hold her cloud of molecules together in her semblance state.
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The source would matter since I assume that Ruby wouldn't be able to reform herself if her molecules were dispersed enough. And especially if she is lost of the grasp of her molecules via some external force.
Like, it would be a complete NLF to assume Ruby can reform after a character uses matter manipulation to disperse her semblance molecules across the entire planet simply because she can reform from her own disassembly.
I ask for two things:
What is the range of dispersion she's been able to come back from (How diluted can she be and still reform?) You mentioned a courtyard. Do you have a scan of it?
Has she reformed herself even after another character has directly disrupted her while she is in semblance form? Example being someone further diluting her existence in that state.
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Yes because the certain threshold represents how much force you can take. A 40 ton character can generally be hurt with 2 back to back 20 ton attacks.
Yeah how a wall can take hits from grown humans but water drops can damage them if they're persistent enough.
Doesn't she need to actually interact with them for that? My argument was that Mori just won't let Ruby get near them.
Yeah but by the time she does that Weiss would be dead afh
Yeah what I'm saying would happen is it would stop Ruby from saving Weiss while Mori beats her face in and paralyzes her with acupuncture.
I meant surrounding the opponent with them to freeze them.
Do we have anything that's a cutscene rather than gameplay?
Yeah so there's a pretty limited stamina here, especially if she were to carry others or have to overpower a vortex 2+ times stronger than herself.
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Yk why? Because there's so many different things that count for individual types of intangibility that it's impossible to count them all up.I mean, IDK why Mori's profile doesn't list that he can interact with Elemental too.
One of the scans is literally someone interacting with Flame + interacting with Darkness should mean he can interact with Elemental too since Darkness seems to count as part of Elemental.
Elemental Manipulation
The most frequently occurring theory of classical elements, held by the Hindu, Japanese, and Greek systems of thought, is that there are five elements, namely Earth, Water, Air, Fire, and a fifth element known variously as space. The main types of elemental manipulation used in fiction are...
I'll try to put them all in the BP page once I get to remaking it but the main reason I didn't add individual ones to each profile is because it gets a bit silly with how big the list can get.
Even Mori only has that many things listed because I didn't work on his profile
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I mean, what " element " even is Ruby? She is just a cloud of molecules. And even saying "cloud" is being generous because it's more like a fluid if anything lol.
GoH characters have scans of interacting with fire energy stuff so they should be absolutely fine interacting with gaseous entities.
So I don't see how Mori Jin couldn't just kick her out of semblance form.
If that guy can do it, then Mori Jin should be able to as well.
As for the aura shield, Mori can still break through it with enough hits.
Btw, anyone talked about Mori potentially breaking or stealing Crescent Rose?
GoH characters have scans of interacting with fire energy stuff so they should be absolutely fine interacting with gaseous entities.
So I don't see how Mori Jin couldn't just kick her out of semblance form.
If that guy can do it, then Mori Jin should be able to as well.
As for the aura shield, Mori can still break through it with enough hits.
Btw, anyone talked about Mori potentially breaking or stealing Crescent Rose?
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What's that?
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Why does Ruby's Semblance even matter here? Mori can touch intangibles and has like a dozen on screen feats of redirecting and countering large scale fluid attacks like Ilpyo's walls of fire and Daewi's Wave of the Blue Dragon. If Ruby Semblance rushes into Mori she's gonna get redirected into a Hoechook. If she runs away, Mori Bo-Bups to her location.
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her scythe
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Ooooh right.
Yeah then it's a bit hard to say. Mori never actually unarmed anyone as far as I remember but that's because basically all weapons in GoH have the ability to port to their user (and Mori rarely fights weapon users to begin with). So it's definitely possible but I wouldn't say stealing it's his go-to move.
Breaking on the other hand is definitely a plausible option
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You...do know Weiss does not have elemental slashes right? Like thats not a thing she can do.
And if he tries to kick Ruby in that state he just gets deconstructed
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Ruby's scythe is coated in her Aura and scales to her durability so breaking it is a no go, same with Weiss' sword.
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From what I can tell, Ruby's semblance amp is faster than Bo-Bup, even moreso if she gets further amped by Velocity or Time Dilation
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Those arent elemental slashes, those are Hard Light Dust lasers. And if Mori tries to physically redirect them they just freeze him on contact.
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Molecules, previously rose petals before her semblance fully evolved.
Ruby at that point in time hadnt evolved the ability to break herself down into molecules yet. Her semblance at that time was just 'Speed'.
Cool, he tries to get close to Weiss and gets frozen in a block of 8-B durability ice durable enough that people several time stronger than Weiss cant break it.
Ruby's scythe is coated in her Aura and scales to her durability so breaking it is a no go, same with Weiss' sword.
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Her semblance seemed barely faster than her own speed. Bo-bup nearly statues people who are about equal to your own speed
The very first chapter makes it look like straight up teleportation from the opponents perspective.
Meanwhile I'm honestly yet to see a proper speed feat from semblance. Most videos you've sent only looked like a pretty good mobility boost and it even looked like that's the way Ruby uses them to begin with.
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Fighting from a range is not the play here, Mori's stated weakness is that Re-Taekwondo is weak at close range. As in if you block his movements he can't wind up his stronger attacks. If Ruby and Weiss shoot at Mori from afar he's just going to dodge or blast them with the pressure from his kicks.
Now if they try to take advantage of Re-Taekwondo's weakness, Mori is just going to switch up his fighting style and counter them.
Plus in every mention of Ruby's Semblance up to the point of the key that we're using, she's still physical; as in she's fluidly intangible, not completely intangible. No matter how you slice it, Mori has the feats of manipulating and redirecting fluid matter using his kicks so he will indeed kick her into a wall if she tries to Petal Burst him.
Now if they try to take advantage of Re-Taekwondo's weakness, Mori is just going to switch up his fighting style and counter them.
Plus in every mention of Ruby's Semblance up to the point of the key that we're using, she's still physical; as in she's fluidly intangible, not completely intangible. No matter how you slice it, Mori has the feats of manipulating and redirecting fluid matter using his kicks so he will indeed kick her into a wall if she tries to Petal Burst him.
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The molecules are her body held together and maintained by her soul and guided by her combat instincts. Even if he can touch her, its unlikely he'd be able to actively disperse her.
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Her semblance is able to speedblitz people who can blitz her normally (Pyrrha couldnt react to it and she has potential relativistic reaction and combat speed), and in the later seasons its shown to be comparable to Harriet's speed semblance which makes her fast enough that everyone and everything in the environment is slowed to a crawl from her perspective
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Can you show me how it works in practice? Because like I said the videos you've sent so far seem vastly inferior to what Mori can do
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Weiss would freeze him well before he gets the chance to counter anything they do in CQC. Or Either one of them uses an AoE he cant redirect like a gravity field or one of Ruby's bullets that have both AoE and explode on contact.
No? She's only physical in the Beacon Arc, Post Beacon onwards she is fully intangible. And if he tries to physically attack her in her semblance state she just breaks him down as well.
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Ngl idk why we're still on the intangibility stuff. Mori clearly has NPI for elemental and energy based things and spams wide range air manip which can interact with molecules (and itself proves a sort of elemental NPI).
I think it's pretty clear to everyone that at worst he can affect her with air manip which to him is basically like using his bare hands
I think it's pretty clear to everyone that at worst he can affect her with air manip which to him is basically like using his bare hands
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I need to see feats of Ruby turning someone intangible against their will, especially since Mori can hit souls.
Also, while Ruby having the ability to Petal Burst is good and all, if Mori tunnel visions Weiss, he's gonna give her the Gojo special.
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