High School DxD cosmology is a lie (Yes, once again)

[1smrizvi]

You should address the opposition arguments, such as this, because I could switch my vote if their arguments is better



Though i remember you said something about Underworld sun but i dom't remember where it is

I think he addressed this already as he responded as per above when he mentioned about volume 0 and 4 when talking to total. This is what he said: “I already discussed the Sun issue from volume 0 in the thread, and as I said, it’s an inconsistency. Volume 4 states that the sky was originally purple and lacked both sun and moon, while volume 0 mentions the sun casually without explaining any changes. It doesn’t describe the sky being modified or how the sun disappeared, directly contradicting previous information without any explanation.”

 

[Dragongod224]

Yeah, it's close to the light novel, but the events take place in a different time period from the events in the novel timeline. The author's statement regarding Chichigami does appear in the anime timeline, but it doesn't say anything about it not being a different timeline. So, it doesn't change anything because it only explains the events in the anime timeline.


We know the anime hasn't confirmed the appearance of Chichigami (aside from the author's statement). We also know they find out about Chichigami during the Loki fight, but in the anime, it doesn't take place in that time period (as far as we see). The author only claims that Chichigami did appear in the anime timeline.


The EX timeline takes place before the rating game between Rias and Sairaorg Bael. We know EX mentions a timeline where Chichigami doesn't appear, and they don't find out about parallel dimensions.

Also, EX isn't the one seeing the events of different timelines, but someone else. They say they didn't come into contact with Chichigami and didn't find out about parallel dimensions.


We know they find out about Chichigami during the Loki fight, but in the anime, it doesn't take place in that time period (as far as we see). We don't know about the timeline EX talked about, so we assume it refers to the anime timeline because it's the only timeline where Issei didn't come into contact with Chichigami during Loki fight. And author confirm did appear but when not confirmed.


We also don't know how much time has passed in that timeline or how many events that person saw in different timelines.


So, it's possible that Chichigami did appear between Born and Hero.


This thread only uses a single statement regarding the anime timeline that only explains the events of the anime timeline, so it doesn't change the fact that the anime is a different timeline EX talked about.


And be have other statement regarding anime like saying some of the character is stronger than their light novel counter part
(read in the timeline blog for scan)

So I going to say for now
Anime is the only timeline we know that should be timeline ex talked about


Possibly loki's do exist in anime since when issei reach CxC they talk about some curse, I don't know which curse they talked about

Yeah I also think that the battle in Dimensional Gap is non canon I also talked about this with @masque but he kindly disagree


Since you don't answer the heaven star's thing I want to add to that question
https://ibb.co/PsS6j1JW
https://ibb.co/whgsNcwR

The translator himself don't know whether stars are Universe stars or heaven is the cloud City that exist in the atmosphere of the planet Earth

But we know heaven was a different dimension (space-time) which was currently accepted in this wiki two time.
so the stars in second heaven should be stars of the second heaven

The person who created this thread say they projection of the star's which is entirely fiction self created since they doesn't have any statement regarding this like the stars in second heaven was fake Or they have any think that project star in the second heaven from different dimension or anything else like they have any tool that project stars in current dxd.


Asgard sun
There is no statement regarding the sun of Asgard, whether it's fake or real. The only statements are that there is a sun in Asgard and that an evil dragon creates a solar eclipse, stopping light from reaching Asgard.

So it's not a good thing you just say that it's not a real sun when it's wasn't confirmed or there is any statement regarding this.

I already address this in previous comment

Earth was never accepted as infinite in size but the entire dimension which also content stars, moons, galaxies which is according to shin volume 4 moon and stars and sun are real in dxd of human world

And human world is different dimension(space time) then mythological worlds which is currently accepted in wiki two time

Nothing contradict the cosmology side form rating game fields and the creation fits statement of character or the isolation barrier world which is not a include in other timelines cosmology.
so there fits doesn't including in light novel character profile which is previously addressed.(If I remember correctly)

Do you even read the what op claim

Conclusion

• The Underworld is not 4-A size, but 5-B size comparable to Earth
• The human world is declared to be the Earth, while celestial bodies exist outside its dimension.

Then where did star's,sun and moon exist?

and what do you mean by outside of its dimension earth exist in that dimension(and mythological worlds are different dimension) because they can travel physically there in outer space where other celestial bodies (moon and other planet, stars)exist without any problem even human satellite exist there which is non-magical.

• The Heaven being considered one of the main dimensions, besides not having a specification about its size, should be the same size as the main dimensions
• Given the way Le Fay called the worlds, they should all be compared in the same size.

If that so then they at least qualify for Universe by that logic you used because human world Universe are real universe other celestial bodies like moon, sun and other stars are real in human world.

• The Dimensional Gap is not infinite in size, it is just a space that separates dimensions

Thay doesn't including a statement which is has in infinity close infinitely far statement for dimensional gap.

• The another worlds like D×D, E×E and F×F in the absence of further information, they should only qualify as alternative dimensions.

Ok, Alternative Universe just becoming alternative dimension.

• On the part of the third heaven and the immeasurable size (that is, it cannot be measured) it is fine, but it does not qualify for something of infinite size unfortunately.
• Perhaps it could be argued that by not knowing its limits, it is larger than the planet, however, I disagree with this idea.

Still this by counting that the statement come from more advance technology being who can travel in outer space or know how big the planet or Star's is, it's atleast qualify for larger than solar system or at least galaxy possibly larger than observable universe to unknown degree if not infinity. But they don't even want to accept that.

@Vietthai96 can you please respond to my argument, what do you think about my 3 argument


About anime is the timeline that ex talked about
I want to say the person who said that, not the one who seeing the timeline of different dimension they are given information by someone

And we know at they come contact with chichigami during Loki fight but in the anime it's not happened during Loki fight we don't have any information how much time has been passed in that timeline and only statement we have that chichigami did appear in the anime but its not had been confirm yet when did chichigami appear

By the logic of this thread they use past sentence to say that they never come contact with chichigami

Is like I am saying my friend never come contact with my parents, but that doesn't means they never come in contact in the future

Because of this they need more supporting evidence to claim that anime is not the timeline that EX talked about

While we have other evidence that anime is there on timeline such as the one I mentioned anime character is more stronger than light novel counterpart.

 

[1smrizvi]

You should address the opposition arguments, such as this, because I could switch my vote if their arguments is better



Though i remember you said something about Underworld sun but i dom't remember where it is

Regarding my take vietthai to the timeline section of the op, this is what is happening with what tomato is trying to explain in the op. Essentially, what Tomato is saying is that EX explicitly states Issei never had contact with Seirei of the Chichigami in a particular timeline. The use of past tense rules out any possibility of such a meeting; the phrasing doesn’t imply “yet” or “eventually” ; it simply never happened. The current cosmology blog identified that timeline as the anime one, since in the battle against Loki, Issei never interacted with the seirei of the Chichigami in the anime. However, the author later confirmed that Issei did meet Chichigami off-screen in the HERO (anime) timeline, directly contradicting EX’s statement. Therefore, the anime timeline = met Chichigami, while the timeline mentioned in EX = never met Chichigami. This creates a noticeable contradiction if we were to take the anime timeline as the one mentioned in EX where the chichigami never came in contact with issei


We also can’t claim that the mentioned timeline is the Born one, because it’s explicitly stated that for HERO, the previous anime seasons are canon, except for the ending of Born, thus creating a continuous anime chronology.


Moreover, within the anime’s timeline, it shouldn’t have been long after the Juggernaut Drive activation, as Koneko’s line suggests. As noted, the Rating Game with Sona, the Satan Ranger battle, and the Chichigami Seirei connection occurred between episodes 0 and 1, which, again, aligns with that short time gap. Nonetheless, this is irrelevant since the verb in past tense in EX clearly indicates that the Seirei connection never took place.


Finally, the statement about anime characters being stronger than their novel counterparts doesn’t affect this issue, it’s a common adaptation trait. The author never referred to the anime as a “world line” (as he did with the world of Cao Cao and Siegfried, or EX’s world), but rather as a chronology of events, which doesn’t match Ishibumi’s terminology for actual timelines in High School DxD.

 

[TheTenno07]

Regarding my take vietthai to the timeline section of the op, this is what is happening with what tomato is trying to explain in the op. Essentially, what Tomato is saying is that EX explicitly states Issei never had contact with Seirei of the Chichigami in a particular timeline. The use of past tense rules out any possibility of such a meeting; the phrasing doesn’t imply “yet” or “eventually” ; it simply never happened. The current cosmology blog identified that timeline as the anime one, since in the battle against Loki, Issei never interacted with the seirei of the Chichigami in the anime. However, the author later confirmed that Issei did meet Chichigami off-screen in the HERO (anime) timeline, directly contradicting EX’s statement. Therefore, the anime timeline = met Chichigami, while the timeline mentioned in EX = never met Chichigami. This creates a noticeable contradiction if we were to take the anime timeline as the one mentioned in EX where the chichigami never came in contact with issei


We also can’t claim that the mentioned timeline is the Born one, because it’s explicitly stated that for HERO, the previous anime seasons are canon, except for the ending of Born, thus creating a continuous anime chronology.


Moreover, within the anime’s timeline, it shouldn’t have been long after the Juggernaut Drive activation, as Koneko’s line suggests. As noted, the Rating Game with Sona, the Satan Ranger battle, and the Chichigami Seirei connection occurred between episodes 0 and 1, which, again, aligns with that short time gap. Nonetheless, this is irrelevant since the verb in past tense in EX clearly indicates that the Seirei connection never took place.


Finally, the statement about anime characters being stronger than their novel counterparts doesn’t affect this issue, it’s a common adaptation trait. The author never referred to the anime as a “world line” (as he did with the world of Cao Cao and Siegfried, or EX’s world), but rather as a chronology of events, which doesn’t match Ishibumi’s terminology for actual timelines in High School DxD.

ngl this makes a lot of sense

 

[1smrizvi]

ngl this makes a lot of sense

The problem is that for the anime timeline to be taken as the one timeline mentioned in EX, issei should have not met the chichigami within the anime, like at all. Period. Not even offscreen. The author just literally did the opposite and say Issei indeed met chichigami up to that point via the HERO timeline in that certain X post. So now we have two paths: A. Issei met chichigami in HERO (anime) timeline and B. Issei didnt meet chichigami in the timeline mentioned in EX. This just makes a massive paradox. How can they be the same timeline if issei met chichigami offscreen in the anime while he didnt meet chichigami at all in the timeline mentioned in EX? It just cant. Doesnt matter about “meeting much later”. The event happened in anime regardless whether on screen or not since author already declared that as per the OP post. So if the event occured in the Hero timeline, it does not qualify as the timeline mentioned within EX

 

[1smrizvi]

Can you please tell me where I said I had a problem with getting a guy to do entirely new translations? I think getting second opinions on a language is fine, in fact, this is a major step up from MTL.

My issue is that all this is being used to basically try and force a narrative that this translator knows more about DxD and how it was meant to be intended than the actual author, Ichei Ishibumi. That is my issue.

Nobody knows the author's true intent, which is why translations vary, and why trying to argue the semantics over multiple different translations is counter-productive.

Is there a reason we cannot trust Yen Press and other Fan-TLs? Typically, in verses which are localized from other languages to English, the reason you seek your on translations is due to egregious or gratuitous changes in dialogue or text that would give off a completely different impression than what the story intended, but that is not the case for DxD, and that is my issue.

Regarding this, dxd has done this before. Its in this thread specifically

ISSEI LOW 5-B DEBUNK

It's currently accepted that Issei and Sairaorg are Low 5-B due to the mention of "splitting the Earth" in a single blow, but there's a BIG PROBLEM there. The Japanese novel NEVER refers to the planet as such. On the contrary, it uses a Kanji (大地) 極めれば、一振りで大地を割るほどの威力を放ち Once you master it, you...

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In the thread here, tomato explained a big mistranslation people often had when describing sairaorg’s longinus being able to split the earth. In there, it explains how the kanji used meant a large expanse of land or ground rather than the whole planet itself aka chikyuu. The misinterpretation of this sentence often lead to people to believe sairaorg was already planetary when the japanese translation had a whole entirely different meaning. So we aren’t wrong for using a translation from a TL regardless for this certain reason. We aren’t breaking any rules in the first place so i dont get how this should be an issue if this is allowed. Really, we are just fighting a unnecessary conflict to begin with.

 

[Tom4t0GG789]

You should address the opposition arguments, such as this, because I could switch my vote if their arguments is better



Though i remember you said something about Underworld sun but i dom't remember where it is

Well, as I explained to Totalmaster, the mention of the sun in the Underworld is a mistake, mainly because the Underworld originally doesn't have a sun or moon, not to mention that the sky was originally purple. But the point is that the sun is mentioned as if it were nothing, contradicting what was previously stated. Even if it existed and then disappeared, Volume 0 doesn't explain anything. It doesn't explain what happens despite it being the story of those who changed the Underworld.

 

[1smrizvi]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

We would like to add your vote if you dont mind sharing your input

 

[Vietthai96]

@Vietthai96 can you please respond to my argument, what do you think about my 3 argument


About anime is the timeline that ex talked about
I want to say the person who said that, not the one who seeing the timeline of different dimension they are given information by someone

And we know at they come contact with chichigami during Loki fight but in the anime it's not happened during Loki fight we don't have any information how much time has been passed in that timeline and only statement we have that chichigami did appear in the anime but its not had been confirm yet when did chichigami appear

By the logic of this thread they use past sentence to say that they never come contact with chichigami

Is like I am saying my friend never come contact with my parents, but that doesn't means they never come in contact in the future

Because of this they need more supporting evidence to claim that anime is not the timeline that EX talked about

While we have other evidence that anime is there on timeline such as the one I mentioned anime character is more stronger than light novel counterpart.

From the evidences the OP show the in the recent posts, i found them more reasonable

Iirc, Earth was argued by Masque to be High 3-A, i don't remember the size, but he argued anyone who could destroy Earth would gain High 3-A, it is also a part of the argument to make other mythological dimensions, such as Underworld, Heaven to have Low 2-C rating

The curse thing is likely about Boosted Gear and Divine Dividing curse, since Issei need to overcame that curse to reach CxC, the curse of the Juggernaut Drive

Heaven being different space-time dimension, was downgraded in this thread

About anime timeline, at this point, it is mostly irrelevant due to being a mess. EX came out, which supposedly fix BorN mess, then HERO came out, which retconned the later half of BorN and made it nonexistent

So the sun mention in Vol 0 is...either outlier or PiS. As much as this is kind of cope argument, there is no other way, it was mentioned only once and was contradicted by many others

Asgard sun is also similar, mentioned only once, Solar eclipses are pretty much irrelevant, you can create this kind of phenomenon even with fake sun

I feel like this situation is where the author couldn't settle on what kind of world he imagine and want to build and he switch between thing

Iirc there was an author note about only Hindu gods being able to performs DBZ fights (feats) or something

 

[1smrizvi]

From the evidences the OP show the in the recent posts, i found them more reasonable

Iirc, Earth was argued by Masque to be High 3-A, i don't remember the size, but he argued anyone who could destroy Earth would gain High 3-A, it is also a part of the argument to make other mythological dimensions, such as Underworld, Heaven to have Low 2-C rating

The curse thing is likely about Boosted Gear and Divine Dividing curse, since Issei need to overcame that curse to reach CxC, the curse of the Juggernaut Drive

Heaven being different space-time dimension, was downgraded in this thread

About anime timeline, at this point, it is mostly irrelevant due to being a mess. EX came out, which supposedly fix BorN mess, then HERO came out, which retconned the later half of BorN and made it nonexistent

So the sun mention in Vol 0 is...either outlier or PiS. As much as this is kind of cope argument, there is no other way, it was mentioned only once and was contradicted by many others

Asgard sun is also similar, mentioned only once, Solar eclipses are pretty much irrelevant, you can create this kind of phenomenon even with fake sun

I feel like this situation is where the author couldn't settle on what kind of world he imagine and want to build and he switch between thing

Iirc there was an author note about only Hindu gods being able to performs DBZ fights (feats) or something

about the author note regarding the hindu gods and dbz fights, here it is



He said he didnt want the battles to be like dragonball z regarding the hindu gods cheat like abilities based on their IRL mythology i think.

 

[1smrizvi]

From the evidences the OP show the in the recent posts, i found them more reasonable

Iirc, Earth was argued by Masque to be High 3-A, i don't remember the size, but he argued anyone who could destroy Earth would gain High 3-A, it is also a part of the argument to make other mythological dimensions, such as Underworld, Heaven to have Low 2-C rating

The curse thing is likely about Boosted Gear and Divine Dividing curse, since Issei need to overcame that curse to reach CxC, the curse of the Juggernaut Drive

Heaven being different space-time dimension, was downgraded in this thread

About anime timeline, at this point, it is mostly irrelevant due to being a mess. EX came out, which supposedly fix BorN mess, then HERO came out, which retconned the later half of BorN and made it nonexistent

So the sun mention in Vol 0 is...either outlier or PiS. As much as this is kind of cope argument, there is no other way, it was mentioned only once and was contradicted by many others

Asgard sun is also similar, mentioned only once, Solar eclipses are pretty much irrelevant, you can create this kind of phenomenon even with fake sun

I feel like this situation is where the author couldn't settle on what kind of world he imagine and want to build and he switch between thing

Iirc there was an author note about only Hindu gods being able to performs DBZ fights (feats) or something

In regards to earth trying to be high 3A, your correct. He tried to use the statement regarding “infinite” touki in the earth via that one fight with ouryuu nakiri. Masque believed the “infinite touki” had density or something and claimed that the planet earth was a 3-A structure because of that, thinking the planet earth had infinite mass and width, though the OP addressed that via the translations and answered to that with a counter

 

[Dragongod224]

From the evidences the OP show the in the recent posts, i found them more reasonable

Iirc, Earth was argued by Masque to be High 3-A, i don't remember the size, but he argued anyone who could destroy Earth would gain High 3-A, it is also a part of the argument to make other mythological dimensions, such as Underworld, Heaven to have Low 2-C rating

Just read the original accepted cosmology blog

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Conclusion​

From this, we can deduce that Earth is vaguely above baseline 5-B. This is based on the fact that the continents of Mu and Atlantis are suggested by Le Fay to have actually existed. With the totality of the Human Realm being Low 2-C for being the entire universe.

About High 3-A never get accepted, that just a thinking not actually get accepted.

Which clearly shows that you doesn't read the previous accepted cosmology and you just checking the thing mentioned by the guy who created this thread but not the opposition comments and previously accepted cosmology

The curse thing is likely about Boosted Gear and Divine Dividing curse, since Issei need to overcame that curse to reach CxC, the curse of the Juggernaut Drive

Yah, I think

Heaven being different space-time dimension, was downgraded in this thread

At least read the thread, staff agree to leave the rating as it is now, which means the thread get rejected not accepted,
which means they are different space-time currently accepted two time

@ActuallySpaceMan42
Kinda with Firestorm on this. Feels like it should just stay where it is, since the evidence is so inconsistent.

@Firestorm808
Currently the mythological dimensions are accepted as at least 4-A, possibly Low 2-C.

From what I've read so far, being separate space-times is iffy.

I'm fine with leaving the rating as is for now.

Same thing again you didn't check the previous threads and say it's downgraded

Edit:-
Don't know why Link getting broken so I am sending this link
https://vsbattles.com/threads/high-school-dxd-downgrade-tier-2.180379/page-4
Comment number was #155 #157

About anime timeline, at this point, it is mostly irrelevant due to being a mess. EX came out, which supposedly fix BorN mess, then HERO came out, which retconned the later half of BorN and made it nonexistent

Yah, ex come out for fixing the born mess that how it's tied to the anime s3, as we know chichigami did not appear in Loki fight and ex never mention how much time that person see in that different timeline and the person who said that chichigami did not appear not the person who seeing the timelines and that how that why anime was accepted as a timeline in previous threads.

However there is also a possibility that 3th season of the anime last 3 episode is the timeline that mention mention in ex because ex come out to fix the mess bron created, by doing that created this episode 0 of season 4 which only show that Jagannath drive event and sport festival and remove the last 3 episode of bron

So the sun mention in Vol 0 is...either outlier or PiS. As much as this is kind of cope argument, there is no other way, it was mentioned only once and was contradicted by many others

Doesn't this thread itself says author retcon the events, volume zero come later which means author retcon the event mention in previous volume and it's possible sun already exist in the underworld

Asgard sun is also similar, mentioned only once, Solar eclipses are pretty much irrelevant, you can create this kind of phenomenon even with fake sun

But it's never confirm that it's fake same goes for heaven heaven stars are never confirm to be a projection or some fake star's

This thread itself created the tool that doesn't even mention in the entire dxd novel

I feel like this situation is where the author couldn't settle on what kind of world he imagine and want to build and he switch between thing

Iirc there was an author note about only Hindu gods being able to performs DBZ fights (feats) or something

At this point it's no longer even needed as you see that authority retcon the several event previously, he possibly retcon this statement as well



At this point I clearly saying you just taking one side, which clearly showing that by your comment on the things which never get accepted.
So it's no longer even matter whatever I say.

 

[Firestorm808]

@Firestorm808
Currently the mythological dimensions are accepted as at least 4-A, possibly Low 2-C.

From what I've read so far, being separate space-times is iffy.

I'm fine with leaving the rating as is for now.

I have given an updated stance based on the information provided in this thread.

 

[1smrizvi]

I have given an updated stance based on the information provided in this thread.

What’s your stance?

 

[Firestorm808]

What’s your stance?

I have said that the proposal seems reasonable. This is based on the translations from the OP.

 

[1smrizvi]

I have said that the proposal seems reasonable. This is based on the translations from the OP.

Understood

 

[1smrizvi]

About dragongod’s claim that the author possibly retconned things regarding the light novel, you have to show definitive proof that it indeed was intentionally retconned by the author. Otherwise, we can only treat it as outlier/PiS. You can’t just assume that because the author retconned parts of the anime, he also retconned the light novels. Thats like claiming someone’s microwave isnt working so their fridge isnt working either.

 

[Dragongod224]

I have given an updated stance based on the information provided in this thread.

Yah I know,
but @Vietthai96 take about previous thread

 

[Dragongod224]

About dragongod’s claim that the author possibly retconned things regarding the light novel, you have to show definitive proof that it indeed was intentionally retconned by the author. Otherwise, we can only treat it as outlier/PiS. You can’t just assume that because the author retconned parts of the anime, he also retconned the light novels. Thats like claiming someone’s microwave isnt working so their fridge isnt working either.

Woow, see who saying that the person who using things(tools) that don't even exist in the entire dxd novel to prove something.

At least think before saying anything

Because my think can be outlier because it at least exit in the dxd novel

But your claims don't even exist

As you claimed projecting stars from different dimension and Earth's sun, moon and stars exist outside its dimension

Also Not Using the things such as the dimensional gap statement infinity close infinity far

 

[1smrizvi]

Woow, see who saying that the person who using things(tools) that don't even exist in the entire dxd novel to prove something.

At least think before saying anything

Because my think can be outlier because it at least exit in the dxd novel

But your claims don't even exist

As you claimed projecting stars from different dimension and Earth's sun, moon and stars exist outside its dimension

Also Not Using the things such as the dimensional gap statement infinity close infinity far

According to the op, the reasoning does seem to plausible to see a dimension from another dimension. Refer back to the OP heaven section if you will.

 

[1smrizvi]

 

[Dragongod224]

According to the op, the reasoning does seem to plausible to see a dimension from another dimension. Refer back to the OP heaven section if you will.

Than going to claim in real life our Earth exist outside of the universe and we view the stars of the universe from different dimension
(Great logic)
Highly advanced technology world is one thing and having tool such as one you mentioned is one thing, you need to prove they have such a tool

Also can you show me the statement where it said that second Haven Has fake stars
or they are just projection of different dimension stars
Or they have such a tool that projector stars in the second Haven

 

[1smrizvi]

i never claimed directly that they can do it. I said its a possibility given that people can observe a dimension from another dimension via rating games. Also, you still havn’t shown proof that the author retconned the light novels for it to have a sun yer so i can say the same with your claim. So where are we at now? Look at the OP. They tell us that seeing things cross dimensionally is perfectly plausible. Also, why would the angels wanna scientifically observe their own stars in their own dimension to begin with? How do you know they are those stars in the given dimension aside from seeing them via another dimension?

 

[1smrizvi]

Also as the OP states, fallen angels from the underworld study the moon, it still hints that they indeed can view things cross dimensionally. So again, there is plausible reasons for why such technology may exist.

 

[Dragongod224]

i never claimed directly that they can do it. I said its a possibility given that people can observe a dimension from another dimension via rating games.

Yah, in very small scale like TV size screen or Billboard size screens.

But you are literally claim that second second heaven star's are fake or projection without concrete proof

While translator doesn't give any explanation whether stars are fake or real so I doesn't know where from your statement coming

Also, you still havn’t shown proof that the author retconned the light novels for it to have a sun yer so i can say the same with your claim. So where are we at now?

Same as yours, "possibly"

 

[Dragongod224]

Also as the OP states, fallen angels from the underworld study the moon, it still hints that they indeed can view things cross dimensionally. So again, there is plausible reasons for why such technology may exist.

They literally can travel between dimension even going to human world where sun and moon, stars are real

That nothing indicated viewing thighs from cross dimension


At least think before saying anything or at least read the story properly

 

[Tom4t0GG789]

Yah, ex come out for fixing the born mess that how it's tied to the anime s3, as we know chichigami did not appear in Loki fight and ex never mention how much time that person see in that different timeline and the person who said that chichigami did not appear not the person who seeing the timelines and that how that why anime was accepted as a timeline in previous threads.

However there is also a possibility that 3th season of the anime last 3 episode is the timeline that mention mention in ex because ex come out to fix the mess bron created, by doing that created this episode 0 of season 4 which only show that Jagannath drive event and sport festival and remove the last 3 episode of bron

Honestly you are clinging to a wrong idea, there is no evidence that the 3 episodes of Born form an alternate timeline, those in charge of the anime themselves tell you that you must watch all 3 seasons to see the fourth, adding the following timeline, this is considered a retcon and not a new adaptation

Doesn't this thread itself says author retcon the events, volume zero come later which means author retcon the event mention in previous volume and it's possible sun already exist in the underworld

You're confusing retrocontinuity with an inconsistency.
Retrocontinuityoccurs when an author modifies previously established information by adding new details that expand or reinterpret the existing canon. For example, Piccolo was originally described as a demon, then later redefined as an alien, and eventually reclassified again as a demon, this is retrocontinuity.

In contrast, the case of the sun in the Underworld isn’t retrocontinuity but a clear inconsistency. It doesn’t introduce new complementary information; it directly contradicts what was established before. Did the sun vanish out of nowhere, or was it supposedly created by the Maou before they even became Maou? Even if it were the latter, it would make no sense; why would they travel an astronomical unit’s distance to create something that has no connection to sustaining life in the Underworld?

But it's never confirm that it's fake same goes for heaven heaven stars are never confirm to be a projection or some fake star's

This thread itself created the tool that doesn't even mention in the entire dxd novel

The problem is that they are called parallel worlds, which implies structural similarities. The human world is Earth, and the Underworld is said to be comparable in size; this should form a margin compared to the other worlds. Asgard's sun seems to be an isolated case, likely a narrative element to emphasize the darkness of Apophis (ironically the rival of the sun god Ra) rather than an actual star.

There is no evidence that the stars of Heaven are real, and they do not meet Wiki standards; on the contrary, if they were, it would contradict Volume 21.

 

[Tom4t0GG789]

Yah, in very small scale like TV size screen or Billboard size screens.

But you are literally claim that second second heaven star's are fake or projection without concrete proof

While translator doesn't give any explanation whether stars are fake or real so I doesn't know where from your statement coming


Same as yours, "possibly"

Let's see, I already gave you an example, and I'll explain our reasoning again for saying they're not real stars. One is that they're possibly seen from another dimension, and the other is that we don't need that.

1: In the High School DxD universe, it's possible to see events that occur in alternate dimensions. You don't see them physically present, but rather through a special medium. And no, your attempt to discredit by asking, "When was it that stars were seen in a rating game?" is nonsense. Rating games recreate spatial locations in ALTERNATE dimensions; it doesn't imply size. You're lumping size into something that has nothing to do with it, because we're talking about the special method for seeing things from other dimensions, not size itself. Additionally, as I explained, there is a case where, despite being in another dimension, they can study a celestial body that exists outside of another dimension. In the Second Heaven, they do just that: they study the stars. While we don't have a direct statement that they are projections, it's reasonable to think they are not physically present due to what is presented narratively in the novel. In short:

• Being able to see things from other dimensions without being physically present.
• Studying celestial bodies existing outside of dimensions.

2: If the stars were physically present, then at least the Second Heaven should have a radius of 2,002 light-years. Knowing that a single shot from the Trihexa was able to penetrate up to the Third Heaven, its range would have had a range of 4,004 light-years. However, this is contradicted by the battle in the human world, when a shot from its breath alone devastated a landscape. If they were physically present, then the breath would have gone into outer space. Furthermore, if the worlds were 4-A in size, why would Trihexa limit itself to damaging one landscape instead of destroying the other planets and stars if its goal is only to destroy?

 

[1smrizvi]

Exactly. What i was trying to say “viewing things cross dimensionally is possible”

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

About High 3-A never get accepted, that just a thinking not actually get accepted.

Which clearly shows that you doesn't read the previous accepted cosmology and you just checking the thing mentioned by the guy who created this thread but not the opposition comments and previously accepted cosmology

Same thing again you didn't check the previous threads and say it's downgraded

until now you realize that, it is as I told you all this is about simple disbelief.

Doesn't this thread itself says author retcon the events, volume zero come later which means author retcon the event mention in previous volume and it's possible sun already exist in the underworld

But it's never confirm that it's fake same goes for heaven heaven stars are never confirm to be a projection or some fake star's

This thread itself created the tool that doesn't even mention in the entire dxd novel

except that it makes them feel uncomfortable, what they are looking for is their own comfort, not what makes sense, That's why they prefer to believe in nonsense.

So it's no longer even matter whatever I say.

If that's why this is just a waste of time.

 

[Robo432343]

lol
salty dxd fans losing a debate

 

[1smrizvi]

lol
salty dxd fans losing a debate

Do you want tomato to put you in agree robo?

 

[Robo432343]

Do you want tomato to put you in agree robo?

sure

 

[Vietthai96]

About High 3-A never get accepted, that just a thinking not actually get accepted.

Which clearly shows that you doesn't read the previous accepted cosmology and you just checking the thing mentioned by the guy who created this thread but not the opposition comments and previously accepted cosmology

Bro, the High 3-A was literally a part to argue Low 2-C Earth and other mythological realms, that what was accepted on the cosmology blog, that why somehow despite claims from Author that Draconic Deus is Earth, it is still 2-C, and it is still on Issei profile. And please don't bring up Nasuverse Earth, that Earth have pretty detailed explanation about its structure

Doesn't this thread itself says author retcon the events, volume zero come later which means author retcon the event mention in previous volume and it's possible sun already exist in the underworld

It could be possible, but at this stage, we are guessing author intention due to how inconsistently he portrayed stuff without explanation, first he established the Underworld have no sun or moon, then due to the circumstance of the Reincarnated Devil, the leaders made fake moon. Then somehow Vol 0 have a sun out of nowhere which destroyed the previous establishment, but the author again didn't explain stuff about why there is a sun out there

So we have two things to choose
1. There is no sun originally, the fake moon was created, in order to accomondate the life style of Reincarnated Devil who mostly human who used to day and night circle live
2. There was sun before the fake moon, though no explanation, no estalished reason or lore about this suppose "sun", is it fake or real?, no one know, author didn't say anything

I will choose the point 1 obviously, you could say anything about me being bias, hate DxD, want to downgrade it or whatever intention you want to think of me, i don't mind, but at the end of the day, rather than guessing author intention, we can only choose one from two points, and we choose what is more consistent, point 1 is more consistent due to it having established lore and reason surrounding its origin, the Sun part in Vol 0 didn't have it

Also, your oppositions is right in their arguments, the fallen angel is studying the moon, if those supernatural species have power to make real moon and sun, why do they need to study

But it's never confirm that it's fake same goes for heaven heaven stars are never confirm to be a projection or some fake star's

It's never confirmed to be fake, of course, but is it real?, can we even default assume it to be real, normally we could assume it being real due to wiki standard, though with how the verse portraying things, you could also argue

1. The sun is fake
2. The sun is real and it is Asgard's sun
2. The sun is real, but it isn't the sun belong to Asgard dimension, but real Sun in space, which illumate all dimensions, including Asgard.

The point 3 is more consistent, if Fallen Angels can study the moon in real time, the real Sun in space can illuminate other dimensions at the same time, also Draconic Deus, which shortened as DxD which is a term refering to the world that includes Human Realm and other mythological dimensions, is stated to be Earth itself, this mean all mythological dimensions and human world are parts of planet Earth, Earth is illuminated by the Sun so too other mythological dimensions

At this point it's no longer even needed as you see that authority retcon the several event previously, he possibly retcon this statement as well

Retcon could be possible, i don't deny it, but again we need proof for it, rather than slap the term "it is retconned" and be done with it

At this point I clearly saying you just taking one side, which clearly showing that by your comment on the things which never get accepted.
So it's no longer even matter whatever I say.

I do considering your arguments, but again as a staff i need to consider both sides, and so far, the OP and who supports his side provided better argument along with scans. It also didn't help that the fact that Masque again used the same scan about Sairaorg can split the earth when master Regulus Nemea to prove planet level DxD is already a bad pratice in my eyes, the term "earth" mean ground not the planet Earth in Kanji. This is a common knowledge in DxD, i wasn't aware of this until i decide to look at his cosmology blog recently

 

[1smrizvi]

Bro, the High 3-A was literally a part to argue Low 2-C Earth and other mythological realms, that what was accepted on the cosmology blog, that why somehow despite claims from Author that Draconic Deus is Earth, it is still 2-C, and it is still on Issei profile. And please don't bring up Nasuverse Earth, that Earth have pretty detailed explanation about its structure


It could be possible, but at this stage, we are guessing author intention due to how inconsistently he portrayed stuff without explanation, first he established the Underworld have no sun or moon, then due to the circumstance of the Reincarnated Devil, the leaders made fake moon. Then somehow Vol 0 have a sun out of nowhere which destroyed the previous establishment, but the author again didn't explain stuff about why there is a sun out there

So we have two things to choose
1. There is no sun originally, the fake moon was created, in order to accomondate the life style of Reincarnated Devil who mostly human who used to day and night circle live
2. There was sun before the fake moon, though no explanation, no estalished reason or lore about this suppose "sun", is it fake or real?, no one know, author didn't say anything

I will choose the point 1 obviously, you could say anything about me being bias, hate DxD, want to downgrade it or whatever intention you want to think of me, i don't mind, but at the end of the day, rather than guessing author intention, we can only choose one from two points, and we choose what is more consistent, point 1 is more consistent due to it having established lore and reason surrounding its origin, the Sun part in Vol 0 didn't have it

Also, your oppositions is right in their arguments, the fallen angel is studying the moon, if those supernatural species have power to make real moon and sun, why do they need to study

It's never confirmed to be fake, of course, but is it real?, can we even default assume it to be real, normally we could assume it being real due to wiki standard, though with how the verse portraying things, you could also argue

1. The sun is fake
2. The sun is real and it is Asgard's sun
2. The sun is real, but it isn't the sun belong to Asgard dimension, but real Sun in space, which illumate all dimensions, including Asgard.

The point 3 is more consistent, if Fallen Angels can study the moon in real time, the real Sun in space can illuminate other dimensions at the same time, also Draconic Deus, which shortened as DxD which is a term refering to the world that includes Human Realm and other mythological dimensions, is stated to be Earth itself, this mean all mythological dimensions and human world are parts of planet Earth, Earth is illuminated by the Sun so too other mythological dimensions




Retcon could be possible, i don't deny it, but again we need proof for it, rather than slap the term "it is retconned" and be done with it



I do considering your arguments, but again as a staff i need to consider both sides, and so far, the OP and who supports his side provided better argument along with scans. It also didn't help that the fact that Masque again used the same scan about Sairaorg can split the earth when master Regulus Nemea to prove planet level DxD is already a bad pratice in my eyes, the term "earth" mean ground not the planet Earth in Kanji. This is a common knowledge in DxD, i wasn't of this until i decide to look at his cosmology blog recently

The fact that totalmaster blindly disagreed to the sairaorg regulus debunk already proved that he was incompetent to take any of the opposition’s arguments seriously from the beginning. Even despite showing proof in that thread that the kanji was indeed referred to ground, he went ahead and decided to disagree straight off the bat. Its not fair they call our arguments nonsense and impossible for no particular reason aside from going against their agenda yet we have to challenge their arguments with actual logic and evidence.

 

[1smrizvi]

Also dragongod, the way you end your sentence with “atleast think before you say anything” is starting to get quite childish. Frankly no one is amused by your tone and how you decided to mock tomato in the last thread despite him showing benevolence to both sides of the argument to the point where his patience is becoming thin with your repetitive, tedious and unnecessary shifts of burden and making fun of him for using his reasonings with his arguments. You and totalmaster especially have been showing this throughout the whole argument and haven’t been able to address anyone properly or neutrally. You even accuse vietthai of being bias when he even warned tomato that he will switch sides if he doesnt address your counterargs to which tomato did properly. If you are going to whine and continue to complain for a debate not going your way, you have no right to call the staff bias or anyone nonsense. This is utterly 3rd class debate behavior.

 

[TotalMasterInfinity]

Dude, you just got what you were looking for. What else do you want? A medal? A round of applause?

 

[1smrizvi]

Dude, you just got what you were looking for. What else do you want? A medal? A round of applause?

oh no, of course i know what I got. Its just yall are continuing to be weird and petty regardless because yall still complain about the staff being bias and more when vietthai even agreed that your arguments and responses aren’t working as great compared to ours. Also, that sarcasm attempt wasn’t funny, it actually was quite pathetic. I’m guessing your chuckling behind that screen right now laughing at yourself and that corny attempt to offend me, slapping behind your back and whispering “attaboy”. Kudos for trying though! Gold star there buddy. In about a couple of minutes, you’re about to be warned because of your impulsiveness.

 

[BlackeJan]

TotalMaster and dragongod got to be the most pathetic debaters I’ve seen in years, no one takes them seriously since they wanna support wank then insult people

Utter annoying and disgraceful

 

[1smrizvi]

TotalMaster and dragongod got to be the most pathetic debaters I’ve seen in years, no one takes them seriously since they wanna support wank then insult people

Utter annoying and disgraceful

Its disgusting how they think they are above anyone’s opinion and dismisses them quite casually. Quite amusing to begin with considering they have shown this pattern repetitively with people like franz and whatnot in the past