Battle of Pride (Vegeta vs Escanor) (Dragon Ball vs Nanatsu no Taizai)

[Bossbrosish]

Now that Nanatsu no Taizai is tier 4 again, I can do finally do this. This is Daima Adult Vegeta and he starts as a Super Saiyan and can use Super Saiyan 2 and 3. Demon King Arc Near-Noon Escanor is being with the One being allowed but The One Ultimate is restricted. The Battle takes place in the Cell Games arena starting 30 meters apart with speed equalized.

SSJ Vegeta AP and charged attack AP	526.5 MegaFoe, 2.106 GigaFoe with charged attacks	Escanor has a 1.7x advantage in physicals, Vegeta has a 2.2x advantage with charged attacks
SSJ2 Vegeta AP and charged attack AP	1.053 GigaFoe, 4.212 GigaFoe with charged attacks	Vegeta has a 1.4x advantage in physicals 4.5x advantage with charged attacks
SSJ3 Vegeta AP and charged attack AP	4.212 GigaFoe, 16.848 GigaFoe with charged attacks	Vegeta has a 4.5x advantage in physicals and a 18.3x advnatage with charged attacks
Escanor AP	920.02 Megafoe	Escanor is Class P and Vegeta is Class T in LS

Prince of all Saiyans: 0

The Lion Sin of Pride: 6 (Arkansalter2, AigerTheKing, Makai641001, Delusionaltx2, Mickey1940, AlipheeseXIV)

Incon: 0

 

[Arkansalter2]

Easily going with Escanor. Vegeta's heat resistance is too low.
Escanor, low diff.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Easily going with Escanor. Vegeta's heat resistance is too low.
Escanor, low diff.

Counted (Now let's see what comes first, the fra train or if people are going to put in some arguments for Vegetables)

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Vegeta's transformations give him an edge in stats, and allows him to speed blitz with stats amp through transformations. Even if his heat resistance is on the lower end it's not like Escanor instantly vaporizes him or anything, and he has far better range than Escanor with ki blasts. Realistically, Vegeta will realize the heat issue and just start fighting from afar. What answer does Escanor have to Danmaku attacks that are faster than he is (when amped) and can actually seriously damage him?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Also if speed is not equalized, how does Escanor do anything but get stoned for eternity?

 

[Bossbrosish]

Also if speed is not equalized, how does Escanor do anything but get stoned for eternity?

Speed is equalized (I was rushing to get this done before I went to work, so I forgot to add the speed equalization) but Vegeta would be faster with his transformations.

Near-Noon Escanor and SSJ Vegeta would both be 25.19c (Someone correct if I have the wrong values here), SSJ2 Vegeta would be 50.38c and SSJ3 Vegeta would be 201.2c. Vegeta would have a 2 and 4x speed advantage with his higher forms. I don't know how much faster Escanor gets with The One, but it could help even the speed gap, even if it lasts a minute.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Speed is equalized (I was rushing to get this done before I went to work, so I forgot to add the speed equalization) but Vegeta would be faster with his transformations.

Near-Noon Escanor and SSJ Vegeta would both be 25.19c (Someone correct if I have the wrong values here), SSJ2 Vegeta would be 50.38c and SSJ3 Vegeta would be 201.2c. Vegeta would have a 2 and 4x speed advantage with his higher forms. I don't know how much faster Escanor gets with The One, but it could help even the speed gap, even if it lasts a minute.

Vegeta is MFTL in base, and higher with SSJ transformations while Escanor is FTL near noon, so with how speed amps work Vegeta would still have a big speed advantage over Escanor even in just SSJ. He still has an overwhelming advantage in that category considering SSJ puts him 50x higher, SSJ2 another 100x of base and SSJ3 (forgot the exact multipliers) but you get the point.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Vegeta is MFTL in base, and higher with SSJ transformations while Escanor is FTL near noon, so with how speed amps work Vegeta would still have a big speed advantage over Escanor even in just SSJ. He still has an overwhelming advantage in that category considering SSJ puts him 50x higher, SSJ2 another 100x of base and SSJ3 (forgot the exact multipliers) but you get the point.

Speed equalization means the faster character is the same speed as the slower character. So SSJ Vegeta is FTL like Near-Noon Escanor, but he gets a 2x and 4x speed advantage with SSJ 2-3 as I stated (and SSJ3 is a 400x multiplier or 4x SSJ2)

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Speed equalization means the faster character is the same speed as the slower character. So SSJ Vegeta is FTL like Near-Noon Escanor, but he gets a 2x and 4x speed advantage with SSJ 2-3 as I stated (and SSJ3 is a 400x multiplier or 4x SSJ2)

Yeah, but it doesn't equalize speed amps. They still function as normal, which is what I meant.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Yeah, but it doesn't equalize speed amps. They still function as normal, which is what I meant.

Oh I know full well what you mean don't worry.

 

[Bossbrosish]

There's also the fact Vegeta has Master level ki manipulation giving him forcefield creation, attack nullification and all the lower levels to a slightly higher degree.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Yeah, I do think Escanor's heat manip is a viable wincon. However, I don't actually see any other wincon for him. Especially when Escanor in character tends to mix brawling with his sunshine. Where as, while Vegeta does mix brawling with ki blasts, he has gone on record to just zone enemies he knows he can't get too close to (such as Cell, Buu, etc) and in this case, even from 30 meters I'm sure he could feel Escanor's heat and realize he literally cannot get close without sustaining heavy damage.

Vegeta just has a much more realistic wincon in the form of playing the range game, combine that with his massive mobility advantage via flight and higher speed. I don't see what Escanor can realistically do other than try and likely fail to hit him with ranged sunshine stuff which is not even something he does very often in character.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Can put my vote down for the Veggie rn, I'm still open to further arguments though.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Vegeta would also be more intelligent combat wise. He's was trained to be a warrior since he was a child. Though Vegeta is arrogant and prideful and would likely let Escanor reach the One for the sake of a good fight, he would sense Escanor's rising power and likely transform.

Can put my vote down for the Veggie rn, I'm still open to further arguments though.

Added.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Vegeta would also be more intelligent combat wise. He's was trained to be a warrior since he was a child. Though Vegeta is arrogant and prideful and would likely let Escanor reach the One for the sake of a good fight, he would sense Escanor's rising power and likely transform.

Yeah, he has more combat experience than Escanor. Though, I think he may have just met his match in terms of arrogance and pride, Escanor is next lvl with it.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Would Vegeta let Escanor hit him? You know, for the funny "haha my pride is greater than yours, proof it peasants"

 

[Bossbrosish]

Would Vegeta let Escanor hit him? You know, for the funny "haha my pride is greater than yours, proof it peasants"

I mean, it depends on how Vegeta would react to feeling the heat protruding from Escanor's body. Vegeta is tactical, so if he realizes he can't get close with physical attacks at the risk of getting burned, he'd attack from a distance instead.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Doesn't escanor emit passive heat that would just incinerate him?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Doesn't escanor emit passive heat that would just incinerate him?

From 30 meters? I don't think so, if you look at the justification for Escanor's heat, it states that it was passively melting Gilthunder's armor. Which can withstand prolonged exposure to lightning, idk about you man but if Gilthunder's armor can stay intact for a decent amount of time even from a close distance while Escanor has sunshine loaded in his hand btw (so its not even passive unless he activates sunshine). I don't see why Vegeta wouldn't be capable of doing the same without instantly getting incinerated, not to mention forcefield via ki is a thing.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Just realized Vegeta would have an edge in mobility since he can actually fly around. Escanor has flight, but it's the Pseudo-flight

 

[Majinere566]

What is Vegeta’s heat resistance looking like?

 

[Arkansalter2]

What is Vegeta’s heat resistance looking like?

Like 200C or so.

 

[Bossbrosish]

What is Vegeta’s heat resistance looking like?

120 degrees celsius, but it's not unreasonable to assume Vegeta would create a Ki barrier around his body to somewhat bypass Escanor's heat. There's also the fact that Saiyan's grow stronger as they fight.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

From 30 meters? I don't think so, if you look at the justification for Escanor's heat, it states that it was passively melting Gilthunder's armor. Which can withstand prolonged exposure to lightning, idk about you man but if Gilthunder's armor can stay intact for a decent amount of time even from a close distance while Escanor has sunshine loaded in his hand btw (so its not even passive unless he activates sunshine). I don't see why Vegeta wouldn't be capable of doing the same without instantly getting incinerated, not to mention forcefield via ki is a thing.

Escanor melted a castle, so I'm sure 30 meters isn't that big of a deal.

 

[AigerTheKing]

Seems like Vegeta gets fried by the heat before he pulls anything crazy. Escanor FRA

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Escanor melted a castle, so I'm sure 30 meters isn't that big of a deal.

When?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

When?

It's in your profile

 

[Purgy]

Vegeta's heat resistance is basically irrelevant, Escanor just aura vaporizes him.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

It's in your profile

Yeah but it doesn't seem to be passive, it's activated. Vegeta has time to move out of the way and activate a barrier.

 

[AigerTheKing]

Yeah but it doesn't seem to be passive, it's activated. Vegeta has time to move out of the way and activate a barrier.

Dies to Cruel Sun

 

[AigerTheKing]

Yeah but it doesn't seem to be passive

?

Passive Fire Manipulation and Heat Manipulation (28000ºC - Can burn flesh and melt Gilthunder's armor, which is capable of withstanding prolonged exposure to lightning. Can radiate heat and flames far hotter than natural fire. Burned the Vampire King, whose darkness armour can resist purgatory flame)

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

?

I'm saying the amount of heat shown that melted edinburgh was not passive, it seemed activated.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Dies to Cruel Sun

Can't Vegeta still just like us, his own energy beams against the Cruel Sun, or nullify it? Even then, if Vegeta went straight to SSJ3 and hit Escanor with a Final Flash, it's just over for Escanor.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Dies to Cruel Sun

How does he hit cruel sun when Vegeta is faster than him and has more mobility? Also, so I'm clear it's not like I'm arguing against Vegeta dying to sunshine attacks, just the aura instant GG arguments. And if that is honestly the case, then I think the distance should be changed accordingly so that both fighters have an equal shot of starting the fight at least.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Can't Vegeta still just like us, his own energy beams against the Cruel Sun, or nullify it? Even then, if Vegeta went straight to SSJ3 and hit Escanor with a Final Flash, it's just over for Escanor.

Yeah he can, ki manip gives attack reflection and Vegeta has the AP to pull this off.

 

[Bossbrosish]

I think the distance should be changed accordingly so that both fighters have an equal shot of starting the fight at least.

If that's the case, then what should I change the distance to?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

If that's the case, then what should I change the distance to?

Idk tbh, 7DS supporters probably have a better idea of what a more "fair" distance would be for both combatants.

 

[Majinere566]

Okay so what’s stopping Escanor from using Charge and Fire and just turn Vegeta into a crisp?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Escanor existing is just turning him into a crisp.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Okay so what’s stopping Escanor from using Charge and Fire and just turn Vegeta into a crisp?

Fly or teleport away, or create a Ki Barrier to defend against the attack. Vegeta also has the damage boost with his Ki attacks, and most of his attacks involve charging, like the Galick Gun, Final Flash, or charging a regular Ki blast, giving him a massive advantage in terms of AP, especially with his higher forms.