Minato Namikaze vs Madara Uchiha

[Arkenis]

Wouldn't with the 7x speed difference, but hypothetically sure

Where's that on page?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Where's that on page?

Madara's combat speed is 0.14c++, while KCM Minato's combat speed is FTL

 

[Arkenis]

Does that really matter? He's got ftl reactions, he can dodge and perceive his movements faster or drag him in with deva path.

I also noticed Limbo's are in this key, how does Minato handle those?

Edit: Madara's wood also got Class E, maybe I missed, but what happens if Minato's caught and drained? Even with teleportation he should still have trouble moving around

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Does that really matter? He's got ftl reactions, he can dodge and perceive his movements faster

Yeah, I'm not saying Minato will blitz Madara (although he probably could with Shunshin), just that it'll make it very difficult for Madara to tag Minato physically

or drag him in with deva path.

FTG. Or just slam Madara when he's dragged into cqc as he has far superior physical strength/speed and if he touches Madara once it's gg

I also noticed Limbo's are in this key, how does Minato handle those?

That's Rinnegan SM Madara

Edit: Madara's wood also got Class E, maybe I missed, but what happens if Minato's caught and drained?

It's a 2x difference, so Minato would struggle, but he's def not helpless, especially as he's half as strong even without the Kurama Avatar

Even with teleportation he should still have trouble moving around

Why?

 

[Arkenis]

FTG. Or just slam Madara when he's dragged into cqc as he has far superior physical strength/speed and if he touches Madara once it's gg

That is in KCM, base to base, they're practically relative, though that just looks like Madara's stats are outdated unless there's a reason Kushina or Kurama are above Madara.

That's Rinnegan SM Madara

Why would Edo not have it? Haven't read in a while, is this just he didn't show it so doesn't have?

It's a 2x difference, so Minato would struggle, but he's def not helpless, especially as he's half as strong even without the Kurama Avatar

While being drained would make a diff.

Why?

He didn't preemptively put markers all around the woods, Madara would've summoned it all mid battle, so he'd have nowhere to teleport to.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

That is in KCM, base to base, they're practically relative,

Well yeah, but I'm talking about KCM Minato. He would probably go KCM very quickly if not immediately.

though that just looks like Madara's stats are outdated unless there's a reason Kushina or Kurama are above Madara.

Kushina isn't (except in her V2 state), but Kurama scales to Madara's Susanoo so yes he is far above Madara physically.

Why would Edo not have it? Haven't read in a while, is this just he didn't show it so doesn't have?

It seems to be exclusive to his real Rinnegan. Edo Tensei Rinnegan are referred to as "fake," seemingly only housing the Rinnegan's basic abilities.

While being drained would make a diff.

Not if Minato teleports out quickly enough. I also doubt he would get tagged in the first place

He didn't preemptively put markers all around the woods, Madara would've summoned it all mid battle, so he'd have nowhere to teleport to.

Surrounding a battlefield with kunai is a pretty in character starting move.

 

[Arkenis]

Well yeah, but I'm talking about KCM Minato. He would probably go KCM very quickly if not immediately.

I don't think so but I could be forgetting, didn't he only go kcm when Juubito came out? He stayed in base even pulling up to the battlefield fully knowing what was going on and that his son was fighting.

Not if Minato teleports out quickly enough. I also doubt he would get tagged in the first place

Maybe not I guess. But with the deva pull it's more likely I'd say.

Surrounding a battlefield with kunai is a pretty in character starting move.

What happens if they just get buried under the wood? He'd still be chased by the wood no matter where he goes and there's the poison Madara could release knowing how ftg works.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I don't think so but I could be forgetting, didn't he only go kcm when Juubito came out? He stayed in base even pulling up to the battlefield fully knowing what was going on and that his son was fighting.

Maybe not I guess. But with the deva pull it's more likely I'd say.

More likely, but not very likely

What happens if they just get buried under the wood? He'd still be chased by the wood no matter where he goes and there's the poison Madara could release knowing how ftg works.

Shunshin time. Also Bijuudama to destroy the wood and clear the gas

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Bump

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Bump

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Bump

 

[Nonynho]

Put me in for Madara FRA

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Madara FRA

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Boring, but grace

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I'm just gonna give a breakdown on my thoughts on the match anyways cause why not

In a cqc battle, Madara is gonna get dominated by KCM Minato and this is pretty obvious. Minato is one shot tiers stronger and is 7x faster. Madara needs the Legged Susanoo to even stand up to Minato, and even then he'd lose. His Mokuton spreading across the battlefield can be somewhat bothersome, but its speed is too low to tag Minato, and Minato can blow all of it up with a single Bijuudama. Without the Perfect Susanoo, Madara is getting murked by Minato without the Kurama Avatar. And he's never landing a genjutsu even if it could hypothetically work since Minato can just dodge it by averting his eyes when Madara flexes his eyes/when he senses it via KCM danger sensing.

In terms of their Avatars clashing, Madara has an AP advantage, and should be able to keep up in speed given that he's overall superior to SEMS Sasuke's Susanoo despite its BSM level speed. Minato can try to deal with this by teleporting his KA around to attack the PS in unguarded places, but given how much chakra it takes to teleport large objects, he can't do this too many times, and Madara should adjust eventually. After a tough battle, Madara's PS should be able to destroy Minato's KA. Minato can still teleport/dash around, but Madara can destroy the markings and eventually catch him slipping with close enough speed (when Minato's not using Shunshin, which doesn't seem spammable at full speed) and wide AoE of the PS attacks. Then once he's critically injured Minato, he can rush in for a soul rip.

However, there is a decent chance that they would first fight in cqc, and if Minato gets a marking on Madara (which he probably could even if Madara blocks with the Ribcage/Skeletal Susanoo; given the AP difference, his hand could simply smash through the Susanoo and touch Madara regardless of the block), Madara is cooked. Minato could simply teleport inside the Perfect Susanoo and it's over. Ntm that Minato's sealing jutsu is a more reliable wincon than Madara's soul rip, being known to be in character and him having a great variety of them. There is also a chance that Minato could blitz and one shot by going for a Shunshin Rasengan rush from the start. Madara's reaction speed has no assertion for being able to react to KCM Minato's Shunshin.

Thus, I'd vote incon, though slightly leaning in favor of Madara due to his narrative superiority to someone on Minato's level.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Madara wins because I ******* HATE MINATO AND HIS BIASED FANBOYS (this isn't a real vote, don't count it)

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Grace has passed anyways, I've just been lazy in adding the match