Also, since a full summary was once again posted, it seems I have to ask you to ping Staff once more for evaluation. Preferably include those who are listed as knowledgeable on the topic, such as @Qawsedf234 @FinePoint @Elizhaa @Theglassman12 and @DarkDragonMedeusOkay.
It is not a continuation, it's a different version (like LN and WN). But I feel like it's best to lead this to its conclusion, that being a solid tier 2 foundation.Should we close this thread, since it has received a continuation now?
TenSura WN Revision — Back to Tier 1 (Recreated)
Introduction Hello everyone, hope y'all are doing well. Since the previous CRT was kinda nuked spammed with the unrelated topic of hypertimelines and all that, I got permission from staff to recreate it. And, by the suggestion of multiple supporters on that CRT, added the hypertimeline stuff as...vsbattles.com
Your post and my edit appeared at the exact same time :v
Ant?
Apologies, I thought you wouldn't see the post right away so I wanted to add an edit
Your post and my edit appeared at the exact same time :v
What do the staff members you want me to ping need to see here?
This is the most recent conclusionWhat do the staff members you want me to ping need to see here?
It's the same as the previous conclusion, just repeated for the sake of convenience.I thought that we already reached a conclusion here. What specifically has changed that they need to evaluate?
I don't think this is possible, as several points are interconnected with each other and are rather difficult to separate without damaging the overall structureWell, I don't think that we need to rethread what has already been accepted here. Let's only write a concise post that explains the areas that they disagree about and currently need to evaluate please.
I think this summarizes all clearest and best arguments (that don't need additional scan translations) regarding Worlds =/= Dimensions, which is the only topic left for discussion.Okay, a single summary post then, please. It will be hard to receive any replies without something more easily overviewed.
@DarkDragonMedeus @Elizhaa @Vietthai96 @Reiner04I think this summarizes all clearest and best arguments (that don't need additional scan translations) regarding Worlds =/= Dimensions, which is the only topic left for discussion.
A Revision about a World of Slimes - Back to Tier 2 (Cosmology)
The question he answered was loaded with presumptions. Seijisetto translates it as worlds in other dimensions.and mrtayman says use settos translations
If no staff comes in a few days after the ping, then we can conclude this thread on the accepted topics and, for those that didn't receive much discussion or still have the need for discussion left based on arguments that got ignored and/or need translation to be used, and instead make another thread for that specific topic. After all, the point of this thread is tier 2. Whether that is Low 2-C or 2-C is secondary in this thread. A new thread focused on soley 2-C after Low 2-C is accepted would be the best way to get an easier staff evaluation.
@LephyrTheRevanchistI think this summarizes all clearest and best arguments (that don't need additional scan translations) regarding Worlds =/= Dimensions, which is the only topic left for discussion.
A Revision about a World of Slimes - Back to Tier 2 (Cosmology)
The question he answered was loaded with presumptions. Seijisetto translates it as worlds in other dimensions.and mrtayman says use settos translations
If no staff comes in a few days after the ping, then we can conclude this thread on the accepted topics and, for those that didn't receive much discussion or still have the need for discussion left based on arguments that got ignored and/or need translation to be used, and instead make another thread for that specific topic. After all, the point of this thread is tier 2. Whether that is Low 2-C or 2-C is secondary in this thread. A new thread focused on soley 2-C after Low 2-C is accepted would be the best way to get an easier staff evaluation.
Based on what i saw, I am mostly in agreement with Reiner
Just a question:
Would you be willing to give a reason on why you think worlds = dimensions despite the fact that, that would collapse the entire plot of volume 17 with invasion of worlds?
I still stand by my previous stance on this topic.
I really don’t think you understand what you are evaluating.
I believe more staff that aren't associated with the thread already should be pinged, as the opinions of staff already present in the thread are known
Brother, when did the series limit “world” to meaning only a universe or a timeline? Are you trying to claim that “world” = “universe/timeline” every time it is mentioned in the series? Do you want me to show cases in Tensura where it is even used to refer to structures smaller than planetary size? There are cases where “world” clearly refers to a planet, and there are also cases where it refers to universes or Low 2-C–scale structures. If you are going to make a positive claim, feel free to point out the evidence that sentences like “world & dimension” or “worlds across all dimensions” are specifically referring to Low 2-C structures rather than the other meanings the term has.
First, the aggressors were the result of Ivarage corrupting them, as far as I can see and they existed in every dimension doesn't make sense when they are the half part of All one, and your own scan already points out that the mystics in other dimensions were led by Feldway. In the last line, she expresses hope that they will be different this time, but at no point is it confirmed that these are different aggressors from the ones she already knows.
You said all of this, but forgot that my entire point was just to remove the "Volume 23" since the scan he was talking about (Tayman's translation) is about a scan from Volume 17.
He didn't just talked about Tayman translation dude. His comment also include vol 11 statement.
Either its from v17 or v23 doesn't change the context or content in which my statement was made, that is, to read and evaluate each volume and the terms used in it independently of others, unless, said terminology has "fixed" meaning in the verse regardless of context used.
Keep this "All-One" thing out of this since Volume 23 already said neither Veldanava nor Ivarage (neither their combined version) is the All-One.
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Even if you say "invading forces lead by Feldway", that means at least they still exist in all dimensions. Yet they still need to invade different worlds? It just doesn't add up unless worlds =/= dimensions.
Which just means Dimensions are not Worlds, by the way. Otherwise there's no point in invading other worlds.
Uh, because a world like the "Otherworld" would exist in all dimensions? Velgrynd already said there are similar Other-Dimensional Worlds/similar worlds in other Dimensions.
No, we're not making that assumption of feldway's parallel being in all dimensions at least. But no, the latter is never implied as the statement is just blatantly direct "they exist in all dimensions", not "all Dimensions she has went to".
Sure. I might have messed up the katakana and hiragana above the kanji tho, because EPUB don't have the feature to write those stuff "above" the kanji, so it kinda glitches.
Here's a larger OTL/Slimereader context too:
I think this is the solution atp.It is not a continuation, it's a different version (like LN and WN). But I feel like it's best to lead this to its conclusion, that being a solid tier 2 foundation.
The only things that could still be discussed are those that require translations, but no one knows how long that may take. So I think it's best to conclude it.
These are the votes:
Since everyone agrees on Low 2-C, we can end it at that and leave further discussion when all that's needed has been translated.
If the staff are fine with that, I can recreate the sandbox (cosmology blog) to fit what has been accepted
Edit: However, since Alex wants to give it a last try, I'm fine with pinging staff that haven't voted already just one last time, and if they don't come within 3~4 says, close the thread.
That was also the proposal I gave when I asked Ant to ping staff one last time, and I'm completely fine with that.
You weren't.
Alright, I'll wait a bit before closing the thread
Stop twisting my words they are the half of all one. I didn't say they are all one. Just because they can't go back to how they were doesn't mean they were never a part of it.
Vol 16 mentioned how they got corrupted by Iverage in Otherworld so I don't know why you are assuming it's just talking about cryptids hereAlso, the things being born from Ivarage were cryptids. It seems Agressors/Mystics are unrelated to that.
Phantom
Phantoms ｢妖魔族｢ファントム｣, fantomu, lit. "specter tribe"｣ are a kind of specters. They are invaders from another world, able to possess living beings. Information to be added later on. Phantoms tend to be cruel; their goal is to invade and conquer other worlds, be it through brute force or trickery...
But I don't trust tensura wiki much so imma find scans for the claims in them myself (and add them if I find it)
I think you are misunderstanding all conceivable dimension when it was from narrative explaining Velgrnd situation it never implied it's talking about different dimension Velgrnd never went and there are no implications that there are multiple Feldways in the verse.
World and dimensions are different in some cases and same in other. It is case by case, as I already pointed out. If you claim they are different all the time and that “world” is consistently just a reference to a universe throughout the verse, feel free to prove that.
You yourself posting the kanji for "all conceivable" which means think of. It's Velgrnd situation not that author is established they exist in all dimensions.
I am not acknowledging or agreeing with your arguments that they exist in the sense of being born in other dimensions. You can go to and exist in other dimensions, and that can be considered as existing in other dimensions. The scan did not say anything like what you are claiming. It is just explaining the situation of Velgrynd. Unless you are free to prove that every dimension has its own Feldway. Your own scan explained that it is the forces led by Feldway, not that every dimension has a Feldway and that the tribe, in a sense, existed from the beginning. I already explained the situation where she could have just clashed with the gang which was sent to establish the base or future of that world which has already been invaded.
Otherworld is result of sealing Iverage. I don't see why every dimension needs to have Otherworld.
So what now, do we need a word-for-word statement saying “all dimensions she went to”? It can easily be interpreted as referring to all the dimensions she visited, since the entire narrative is focused on explaining her situation.
“Conceivable” can mean “think of or imagine or believe.” The narrative is explaining Velgrynd’s situation there. I think you are misunderstanding how it is used here. It is not referring to all dimensions in existence, but rather to all dimensions she can think of contextually.Heck, the kanji is あらゆる, which means "all possible/all conceivable" lol
Official Translation Requests Thread (New forum)
This will be the last translation from me for a few days due to private reasons. Damn didn't translate what i thought it was gonna be. I do greatly appreciate the translation though
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Yeah it's talking about tribe as a whole not singular individual. So my interpretation works better here.
It is not a continuation, it's a different version (like LN and WN). But I feel like it's best to lead this to its conclusion, that being a solid tier 2 foundation.
The only things that could still be discussed are those that require translations, but no one knows how long that may take. So I think it's best to conclude it.
These are the votes:
Since everyone agrees on Low 2-C, we can end it at that and leave further discussion when all that's needed has been translated.
If the staff are fine with that, I can recreate the sandbox (cosmology blog) to fit what has been accepted
Edit: However, since Alex wants to give it a last try, I'm fine with pinging staff that haven't voted already just one last time, and if they don't come within 3~4 says, close the thread.
I suppose that is likely fine then.
Can we close this now?
It is generally accepted that Worlds are Low 2-C under the assumption that worlds = dimensionsWhat revisions were accepted here?
AlrightOkay. It may be best to wait with locking this thread until after your continuation thread has been posted, in order to inform the participants here via a post with a link here.
