WAHOOOO! Mario Bros AP Revisions - Part 2

[Galactidot]

Black holes in fiction are not required to follow real astrophysics; that applies too strictly to physical cosmology. If realism were required, then black holes and likely 90% of fictional feats in verses like Marvel, DC, and Kirby would be invalid; fiction usually scales them down so they can function as gratifying objects. Real black holes have variable size, visibility, and gravitational intensity, which the ones I calculated have demonstrated. Guidebooks calling them black holes matter in fiction, or else we'd have to reject the ones that occur in other franchises. Sure, the black holes in the Super Mario Bros aren't massive, they're more micro-sized, but even so, micro black holes don't tear space and time apart.

I do genuinely agree with this tho, Mario is the only franchise I see this standard apply for, I see Marvel, DC, and Sonic get away with this all the time TBH

Until someone goes over those and "accurately" rescales them, I don't want to hear it honestly

 

[Kurokitomo]

Another day another person to stop with "b-but what about sonic d-dewd" go downgrade that aspect if you're so concerned then.

 

[JPTheGamer]

I do genuinely agree with this tho, Mario is the only franchise I see this standard apply for, I see Marvel, DC, and Sonic get away with this all the time TBH

Until someone goes over those and "accurately" rescales them, I don't want to hear it honestly

Another day another person to stop with "b-but what about sonic d-dewd" go downgrade that aspect if you're so concerned then.

Look, the point is all black holes tend to function on a completely different destructive scale; the same goes for micro black holes. They all don't destroy things on a planetary scale in fiction and reality; they're not restricted by cosmological laws.

 

[Galactidot]

Another day another person to stop with "b-but what about sonic d-dewd" go downgrade that aspect if you're so concerned then.

Bro missed the Marvel and DC mention. Also, it speaks more for you to immediately go on the defensive against me calling out some unbalanced handling of a policy and just latch onto it like a hawk, what's that about?

It's a simple observation, treat all verses the same, it's not the complicated, God damn it.

 

[SuperMarioGamers3]

Bro missed the Marvel and DC mention. Also, it speaks more for you to immediately go on the defensive against me calling out some unbalanced handling of a policy and just latch onto it like a hawk, what's that about?

It's a simple observation, treat all verses the same, it's not the complicated, God damn it.

The argument might be seen as a "Whataboutism", Galactidot.

 

[Armorchompy]

Realistically in the scientific sense, not the most literal. Not every black hole is gonna rip apart space on a planetary or universal scale; that isn't how all black holes in fiction or reality work.

Actually, it is. Even a much tinier black hole would have catastrophic results (Quora link but it's a PhD in astrophysics answering so pretty trustworthy lol), provided it doesn't immediately just vanish. It is a direct break from realism to behave in the way the Mario ones don't.

Besides that, what do you even mean by "Realistically in the scientific sense, not the most literal"? That's the same thing. You're just trying to craft an artificial distinction to deny the very obvious fact that these aren't acceptable black holes. And yes we absolutely DO require black holes to rip apart space and cause wide-spread destruction to accept them realistically. I've personally rejected several feats because they didn't meet those criteria. It doesn't need to be 100% 1-to-1 accurate but it has to be a lot more realistic than this. If you're not going to listen to a CGM listen to the standards page, the very first thing it harps on is "inescapability and destructiveness", meanwhile the RPG black holes are out here slightly sucking in people and doing a bit of damage instead of instantly killing victims. They're just in no way acceptable.

I'll give you this, the Mario Party 9 black hole is actually fine. It's in deep space and thus doesn't show any inconsistencies, it looks realistic... ish. It's okay. The problem there is there is no evidence Bowser created it, and if he did this is Mario Party so he'd be amped by Super Stars anyways.

 

[Armorchompy]

Talking about other verses is 100% of the time stupid and a waste of time because we're not discussing those here but I'm pretty sure that no Marvel or DC calcs use Mario-style black holes lol. Off the top of my head the big Silver Surfer Marvel one happens in deep space and is at least a little bit realistic. I'd wager anything for DC is similar, those verses have been treated with a decent bit of scrutiny in the past. If this kind of whataboutist powerscaling was being applied they'd all be 1-A by now lol

And with Sonic it's not even in the top ten stupidest things on his profile let's be real

 

[Chariot190]

the galaxy 1 ending black hole is def legit
it's also like High 3-A and killed everything but, it's there ig.

 

[SuperMarioGamers3]

the galaxy 1 ending black hole is def legit
it's also like High 3-A and killed everything but, it's there ig.

It didn't kill Bowser.

 

[Galactidot]

The argument might be seen as a "Whataboutism", Galactidot.

Yeah, to someone who's short-sighted and a little dense. The point is literally just:

It's a rule that literally nobody follows.

It doesn't take a four year old to read...

 

[JPTheGamer]

Actually, it is. Even a much tinier black hole would have catastrophic results (Quora link but it's a PhD in astrophysics answering so pretty trustworthy lol), provided it doesn't immediately just vanish. It is a direct break from realism to behave in the way the Mario ones don't.

Besides that, what do you even mean by "Realistically in the scientific sense, not the most literal"? That's the same thing. You're just trying to craft an artificial distinction to deny the very obvious fact that these aren't acceptable black holes. And yes we absolutely DO require black holes to rip apart space and cause wide-spread destruction to accept them realistically. I've personally rejected several feats because they didn't meet those criteria. It doesn't need to be 100% 1-to-1 accurate but it has to be a lot more realistic than this. If you're not going to listen to a CGM listen to the standards page, the very first thing it harps on is "inescapability and destructiveness", meanwhile the RPG black holes are out here slightly sucking in people and doing a bit of damage instead of instantly killing victims. They're just in no way acceptable.

I'll give you this, the Mario Party 9 black hole is actually fine. It's in deep space and thus doesn't show any inconsistencies, it looks realistic... ish. It's okay. The problem there is there is no evidence Bowser created it, and if he did this is Mario Party so he'd be amped by Super Stars anyways.

Alright, how can you explicitly tell these don't act as such? I mean, if you're so sure these aren't black holes, what proof do you have? The official game guides for two of these instances have stated these are black holes, and that by the standards of this wiki is a way to recognize black holes. What more do you need?

 

[SuperMarioGamers3]

Yeah, to someone who's short-sighted and a little dense. The point is literally just:

It's a rule that literally nobody follows.

It doesn't take a four year old to read...

I mentioned nothing of the intellectual capacity of the perceptor.

 

[Armorchompy]

How can you explicitly tell these don't act as such? I mean, if you're so sure these aren't black holes, what proof do you have? The official game guides for two of these instances have stated these are black holes, and that by the standards of this wiki is a way to recognize black holes.

I have repeatedly explained to you exactly why they don't count. I will not permit you to try to lecture me about standards you clearly don't understand.

 

[SuperMarioGamers3]

Alright, how can you explicitly tell these don't act as such? I mean, if you're so sure these aren't black holes, what proof do you have? The official game guides for two of these instances have stated these are black holes, and that by the standards of this wiki is a way to recognize black holes. What more do you need?

His qualifier was that it must be states as such, and act somewhat realistically.

 

[Galactidot]

I mentioned nothing of the intellectual capacity of the perceptor.

I never said you did.

 

[Kurokitomo]

Bro missed the Marvel and DC mention. Also, it speaks more for you to immediately go on the defensive against me calling out some unbalanced handling of a policy and just latch onto it like a hawk, what's that about?

i rly have no opinion as marvel or dc scaling is something I have interest in.

 

[JPTheGamer]

I have repeatedly explained to you exactly why they don't count. I will not permit you to try to lecture me about standards you clearly don't understand.

I'm not lecturing you on anything, and I would really appreciate it if you would please stop the insults and the attitude as well; I got nothing against it nor am I offended, but I feel like you've been doing it quite a bit unnecessarily both inside and outside of this thread. You're making it incredibly difficult for me to debate you affably and properly by doing that. If you really need more proof that they behave like actual black holes, I'll be more than happy to get it, but until then, please, try to communicate with me in a better manner. Thank you.

 

[Armorchompy]

I haven't behaved rudely, and I haven't insulted you. I will not act as though your arguments are any more valid than they are. I am not going to pretend to not find your thread frustrating and pointless. If this offends you it isn't my fault.

 

[JPTheGamer]

I haven't behaved rudely, and I haven't insulted you. I will not act as though your arguments are any more valid than they are. I am not going to pretend to not find your thread frustrating and pointless. If this offends you it isn't my fault.

You actually have been behaving rudely and that is your fault; saying things like "You don't have the freedom" & "I will not permit you to lecture me" are things I believe you could've worded better or potentially avoided. As I said, I'm not offended by you doing that; I just find it hard to debate with you properly by saying things like that. I'm all fine with providing proof; I merely suggest you please communicate with me in a better way by doing so.

Your vote's been counted. Let's not derail any further & just leave it there.

 

[MugenKage]

And with Sonic it's not even in the top ten stupidest things on his profile let's be real

Catching strays in a Super Mario CRT? It would seem pigs have flown

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

While I do agree Mario is heavily downplayed; I agree some of the listed feats/calculations are not valid or are kind of exaggerated.

Spoiler: Feat 1 - D. Bowser's Storm

Feat 1: After absorbing the Dark Star, Dark Bowser begins enveloping the entire world in darkness, a phenomenon explicitly described as consuming the planet. 5-C (33.279092 Exatons of TNT)

• Calc was accepted and covered in the previous thread.
• Dark Bowser can cough up the Dark Star Core, and the storm is visibly not dissipated. This is narratively the case, as even when the Dark Star Core is defeated, we can see the storm, and it vanishes in a later cutscene. A simple counter to this is Dark Bowser can keep the perks from having absorbed Fawful/DSC, as we see before the absorption, Dark Bowser had a ghostly form without legs, which he does not revert to on spitting out Fawful/DSC, standing to reason he should keep the power too.
• The feat is performed using the same Dark Star energy he uses for attacks and body.

This one is good.

Spoiler: Feat 2 - Snow King's planetary ice age

Feat 2: The Snow King threatens to turn the world into his icebox. At least Low 5-B (2.378 Zettatons of TNT)

• Freezing the entire Earth is calculated at Small Planet level on the References for Common Feats page.
• The Snow King encased Bowser in an impenetrable sheet of ice, which was able to be melted with a fire flower.

Vague timeframe and what not.

Spoiler: Feat 3 - Lucien's world-devastating power

Feat 3: The world was stated to face total devastation unless Bowser (who had Lucien) was stopped. Likely/Possibly 5-B (59.44 Zettatons of TNT to 3.8 Yottatons of TNT)

• Mario can counter and tank Bowser's attacks, who is empowered via Lucien.

That's more so a world conquest statement, not an AP feat.

Spoiler: Feat 4 - Genie creates a planet

Feat 4: The Genie from Wario Land creates a planet with Wario's face on it. Likely/Possibly 5-B (59.44 Zettatons to 3.8 Yottatons of TNT)

• The genie doesn't use his physicals or strength to create the planet; it was done by his AP through a power/ability alone. Wario can withstand certain magics and energies from the genie.

A legit feat, but no real proof casual magic blasts downscale from ultimate wish granting ability.

Spoiler: Feat 5 - King K. Rool and the Banandium

Feat 5: King K Rool threatens to turn the world into banana mush. Likely/Possibly 5-B (59.44 Zettatons to 3.8 Yottatons of TNT)

• Donkey Kong was able to battle and defeat Banandium-empowered King K Rool with his various transformations and abilities.

This reminds me, you probably could use the idea that Mushroom Kingdom/DK Island planet is much larger than Earth due to how far down DK falls to get to the core. But either way seems to be either an overtime thing or more affiliated with transmutation rather than AP.

Spoiler: Feat 6 - Bowser on an exploding planet Feat 6: Bowser withstands the explosion of an entire planet. Likely/Possibly 5-B (59.44 Zettatons to 3.8 Yottatons of TNT)

Grand Star reactor isn't even a real planet, and the explosion was High 3-A outright given the new lore updates, and based on new story book information, Lumas have apparently witness the same event in great magnitude. But you may to save that sort of revision for later if the OP's goal is a Tier 5 upgrade.

Spoiler: Feat 7 - Power of the Crystal Stars

Feat 7: Crystal Stars hold the power of the stars. Likely/Possibly 5-B (59.44 Zettatons to 3.8 Yottatons of TNT)

• Stated by CloverDragon03 in the previous thread to be High 6-A, but later hinted by Chariot190 to be higher, capping at likely/possibly 5-B

Still kind of vague

Spoiler: Feat 8 - Cackletta's Black Holes

Feat 8: Cackletta creates black holes during her battle with the Mario Bros. 5-A; Pre-Stellar (10.022304732327527 to 14.390187858528636 Yottatons of TNT)

Spoiler: Feat 9 - Peach's Castle's Black Hole

Feat 9: Peach's mechanized castle creates a black hole during its fight with Giant Bowser. 5-A; Pre-Stellar (84.4407695985879 Yottatons of TNT; 8.4837502e+27 kg)

• Bowser was able to match the energy of a black hole with his flame breath. He was also able to take in similar energy attacks from the large mechanized Peach's Castle.

Spoiler: Feat 10 - Bowser's Black Hole in MP9

Feat 10: Bowser creates a black hole in the final minigame. 5-A; Pre-Stellar (5.434860181651925 Ninatons of TNT; 5.460395e+29 kg)

• The cast can easily withstand Bowser's other non-physical attacks, like his fireballs and summons.

Cackletta's black holes are definitely not real black holes, but can't really speak against the other 2.

Spoiler: Feat 11 - Giant Fan

Feat 11: Paper Mario uses a giant fan to spin the planet rapidly. High 5-A (12.0231594266 Ronnatons of TNT).

• Also accepted and covered in the previous thread.

This one is alright to me.

 

[JPTheGamer]

Cackletta's black holes are definitely not real black holes, but can't really speak against the other 2.

For the sake of accuracy and fairness, then, we won't count Cackletta's black holes (unless, that is, I can get more sufficient proof, but, eh). What can we put you down as?

 

[Galactidot]

While I do agree Mario is heavily downplayed; I agree some of the listed feats/calculations are not valid or are kind of exaggerated.

This one is good.

Vague timeframe and what not.

That's more so a world conquest statement, not an AP feat.

A legit feat, but no real proof casual magic blasts downscale from ultimate wish granting ability.

This reminds me, you probably could use the idea that Mushroom Kingdom/DK Island planet is much larger than Earth due to how far down DK falls to get to the core. But either way seems to be either an overtime thing or more affiliated with transmutation rather than AP.

Grand Star reactor isn't even a real planet, and the explosion was High 3-A outright given the new lore updates, and based on new story book information, Lumas have apparently witness the same event in great magnitude. But you may to save that sort of revision for later if the OP's goal is a Tier 5 upgrade.

Still kind of vague


Cackletta's black holes are definitely not real black holes, but can't really speak against the other 2.

This one is alright to me.

True

 

[SuperMarioGamers3]

While I do agree Mario is heavily downplayed; I agree some of the listed feats/calculations are not valid or are kind of exaggerated.

This one is good.

Vague timeframe and what not.

That's more so a world conquest statement, not an AP feat.

A legit feat, but no real proof casual magic blasts downscale from ultimate wish granting ability.

This reminds me, you probably could use the idea that Mushroom Kingdom/DK Island planet is much larger than Earth due to how far down DK falls to get to the core. But either way seems to be either an overtime thing or more affiliated with transmutation rather than AP.

Grand Star reactor isn't even a real planet, and the explosion was High 3-A outright given the new lore updates, and based on new story book information, Lumas have apparently witness the same event in great magnitude. But you may to save that sort of revision for later if the OP's goal is a Tier 5 upgrade.

Still kind of vague


Cackletta's black holes are definitely not real black holes, but can't really speak against the other 2.

This one is alright to me.

Now that I'm reviewing these... yea, these aren't too solid. Some of them are legit, however.

 

[JPTheGamer]

Now that I'm reviewing these... yea, these aren't too solid. Some of them are legit, however.

Cackletta's black holes are definitely not real black holes, but can't really speak against the other 2.

Alright, based on the site's standards...

The black holes (excluding Cackletta's) I calculated aren't being created or destroyed by brute force, and they're not expanding or disappearing faster than the speed of light; normally, these would be disqualifiers for black hole calculations. We also know that light or anything below the speed of it can't escape from black holes, unless that said character or object has speed which greatly exceeds that, but a majority of the characters in the Super Mario Bros verse have Massively FTL+ movement speed, and are able to escape the pull of them.

I'm still looking for more proof, so I'll continue to update; for now, I'm going to bed.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Gonna change my vote to disagreeing with any upgrade higher than 5-C. I still think the Dark Bowser feat is valid, but with a franchise as awkward as Mario I get the notion of wanting more to support it.

 

[Dust_Collector]

While I don't think the MP9 black hole calc is usable for scaling since there doesn't seem to be any proof Bowser himself made it, I'm wondering if we can get a new calc for Bowser being able to resist getting pulled in until he takes too much damage? Unsure about the base cast resisting it since there's actually an invisible barrier around the platform to stop them from throwing the dice off so that might be protecting them from it, but giant Bowser has nothing to protect himself and iirc he's not amped by any Power Stars (Or ministars in the stupid car games) during that fight (Will need to double check just to be sure)

 

[Armorchompy]

While I don't think the MP9 black hole calc is usable for scaling since there doesn't seem to be any proof Bowser himself made it, I'm wondering if we can get a new calc for Bowser being able to resist getting pulled in until he takes too much damage? Unsure about the base cast resisting it since there's actually an invisible barrier around the platform to stop them from throwing the dice off so that might be protecting them from it, but giant Bowser has nothing to protect himself and iirc he's not amped by any Power Stars (Or ministars in the stupid car games) during that fight (Will need to double check just to be sure)

Is that something you can calc? Maybe. Probably some reservations to be had if it gets a crazy high results but it can be tried

 

[JPTheGamer]

Gonna change my vote to disagreeing with any upgrade higher than 5-C. I still think the Dark Bowser feat is valid, but with a franchise as awkward as Mario I get the notion of wanting more to support it.

I guess there's no other choice; I'm fine with just a 5-C upgrade at best for the cast, and hopefully a High 5-A upgrade for only the Paper Counterparts. Until then, I'll try to find more proof for the black holes.

Everyone fine with this proposal instead?

 

[Armorchompy]

No

 

[JPTheGamer]

No

Why? You have stated that the 5-C feat is the only "semi-valid" feat here & the cast shouldn't scale to Paper Mario’s feats after all.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

It is kinda the only 5-C feat, and the High 6-A ones Mario scales to are thousands of times weaker.

 

[Armorchompy]

That, and that there's still some arguable issues with the calc. The fan feat just doesn't scale the PM cast to tier 5 because of surface area, that's even in the blog.

 

[SomebodyData]

~~Snip~~

I mean the purpose of the CRT was to apply the calcs, correct? I just thought the OP forgot to mention how they would be applied haha.

And yeah, that answer sufficed.

I'll wait for the conversation between Armor and Omni, since they seem to be debating the fundamentals of the calcs used, before mentioning my final thoughts

 

[JPTheGamer]

While I do agree Mario is heavily downplayed; I agree some of the listed feats/calculations are not valid or are kind of exaggerated.

This one is good.

Vague timeframe and what not.

That's more so a world conquest statement, not an AP feat.

A legit feat, but no real proof casual magic blasts downscale from ultimate wish granting ability.

This reminds me, you probably could use the idea that Mushroom Kingdom/DK Island planet is much larger than Earth due to how far down DK falls to get to the core. But either way seems to be either an overtime thing or more affiliated with transmutation rather than AP.

Grand Star reactor isn't even a real planet, and the explosion was High 3-A outright given the new lore updates, and based on new story book information, Lumas have apparently witness the same event in great magnitude. But you may to save that sort of revision for later if the OP's goal is a Tier 5 upgrade.

Still kind of vague


Cackletta's black holes are definitely not real black holes, but can't really speak against the other 2.

This one is alright to me.

That, and that there's still some arguable issues with the calc. The fan feat just doesn't scale the PM cast to tier 5 because of surface area, that's even in the blog.

I mean the purpose of the CRT was to apply the calcs, correct? I just thought the OP forgot to mention how they would be applied haha.

And yeah, that answer sufficed.

I'll wait for the conversation between Armor and Omni, since they seem to be debating the fundamentals of the calcs used, before mentioning my final thoughts

Alright, I have another idea/proposal; hear me out on this, folks...

• Since everyone here has a problem with feat 2 due to it lacking a time frame, how do you guys feel about instead giving Snow King something like "potentially Low 5-B via Environmental Destruction"? If not, then I suppose it should only be fair to give him a "likely/possibly higher" rating given the context, no?
• For most of the feats in 3 through 7, we can use them only as supporting evidence for the High 6-A ratings the cast has, and if it's at all possible, I'd like to see if we can squeeze in a "likely/possibly higher" for them based on these instances and statements. Needbe, I'd be obliged to provide some calculations for those that need it.
• Because Chomps seems to agree that the black hole feat in Mario Party 9 which I calculated is the most legitimate black hole feat, yet lacks indicators that Bowser created it, perhaps we might be able to grant Bowser and the other characters Pre-Stellar lifting strength given the fact they were shown to be unaffected by the black hole's gravity, which was pulling in planets. I have updated the proof for the black hole calculation from Bowser’s Inside Story to make it follow more to the site's standards for analyzing black holes and will continue to do so if needed; if, by chance, the black hole feat from Bowser’s Inside Story gets accepted, I'd like to apply the statistics to Bowser only when he's in his large size.

Do any of you have problems or objections with these proposed changes? Hopefully, this compromise is the very bare minimum I'm sure most of you can agree on.

 

[Armorchompy]

Since everyone here has a problem with feat 2 due to it lacking a time frame, how do you guys feel about instead giving Snow King something like "potentially Low 5-B via Environmental Destruction"? If not, then I suppose it should only be fair to give him a "likely/possibly higher" rating given the context, no?

I think timeframe invalidates Low 5-B as a whole. A "higher with ED" rating is fine.

For most of the feats in 3 through 7, we can use them only as supporting evidence for the High 6-A ratings the cast has, and if it's at all possible, I'd like to see if we can squeeze in a "likely/possibly higher" for them based on these instances and statements. Needbe, I'd be obliged to provide some calculations for those that need it.

The Lucien statement is fine as High 6-A support.

Because Chomps

If it's the same with you I'd prefer "Armor" or "Chompy".

seems to agree that the black hole feat in Mario Party 9 which I calculated is the most legitimate black hole feat, yet lacks indicators that Bowser created it, perhaps we might be able to grant Bowser and the other characters Pre-Stellar lifting strength given the fact they were shown to be unaffected by the black hole's gravity, which was pulling in planets. I have updated the proof for the black hole calculation from Bowser’s Inside Story to make it follow more to the site's standards for analyzing black holes and will continue to do so if needed; if, by chance, the black hole feat from Bowser’s Inside Story gets accepted, I'd like to apply the statistics to Bowser only when he's in his large size.

Pre-Stellar is the black hole's mass, not the pull you'd be exposed to at a long distance. You can actually calc LS from this kind of situation and provided the result isn't too outliery high I'd be fine with it - with that said I don't really know how to do that.

I think The BiS black hole continues to behave very unrealistically and thus can't be used. In particular the fact that if Bowser gets caught in it he remains whole and can wrest himself out is very unlike how real black holes work - he'd be destroyed at a quantum level before even making contact with it.

 

[JPTheGamer]

I think timeframe invalidates Low 5-B as a whole. A "higher with ED" rating is fine.
The Lucien statement is fine as High 6-A support.

Okay, I'm fine with that

If it's the same with you I'd prefer "Armor" or "Chompy".

Sorry about that.

Pre-Stellar is the black hole's mass, not the pull you'd be exposed to at a long distance. You can actually calc LS from this kind of situation and provided the result isn't too outliery high I'd be fine with it - with that said I don't really know how to do that.

I can make another calc if needed.

I think The BiS black hole continues to behave very unrealistically and thus can't be used. In particular the fact that if Bowser gets caught in it he remains whole and can wrest himself out is very unlike how real black holes work - he'd be destroyed at a quantum level before even making contact with it.

What else are you looking for? Should I go into more depth for the evidence, or would that not matter? If there's no way to prove it's a black hole regardless of the proof, then I won't fuss about it. But if there's another way to calculate this scan WITHOUT black hole methods, I'd really appreciate it if you could tell me.

 

[Starsprite53]

he'd be destroyed at a quantum level before even making contact with it.

Resistance

 

[JPTheGamer]

he'd be destroyed at a quantum level before even making contact with it.

Resistance

Then, how about one or more resistances for him? Say, like, Resistance to Gravity, Physics, and/or Space-Time Manipulation? Sound good?

 

[Galactidot]

Then, how about one or more resistances for him? Say, like, Resistance to Gravity, Physics, and/or Space-Time Manipulation? Sound good?

I suppose that would work IF the environment nearby doesn't have such resistances...