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Ah, I see.
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Dante vs Kratos (Low 1-C edition)
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Have you read the pages...?
"Names are a component of one's soul that can reshape reality on a whim if altered as we know. These names precedes the universe they operate under and was there since the creation of Demon World altogether so it has the range to effect the Underworld itself. Now frankly, these names represents one's power and meaning of their existence, like an information that allows the soul to reshape itself on an abstract scale with whatever it is named after and what it represents in reality as we know while manipulating it entirely in the said process." (Thx SuperSonicTL for saving my time) Dante is also superior to Acausal demons.
Of course it matters, its a opponent whos like 40 stairs above you. Dante also has invulnerability.
He literally isnt, lol. We literally have stuff saying otherwise; at worst case this is a incon.
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Dante's invulnerability isn't conceptual in nature like the Power of Hope is, plus that's a temporary thing he has at best and isn't a permanent state of mind that Hope is to Kratos.
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This does still look like an incon. Dante doesn't resist resistance negation and Kratos can't resist all the layers. Then in turn Dante has Mid Godly while Kratos has resurrection.
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kratos resurrecting over and over again is incap aka a win for dante
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Dante dies consistently of Resistance Negation. He can't counter Invulnerability either, which Kratos has in a CM1 level.
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but the resistance neg is not passive while dante's passives incap kratos
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For Hope? He can do it via Hope. Which is basically any move. And Hope covers him, so touching Kratos is a death wish.
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Leaning towards incon. Can Kratos beat Mid-Godly?
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Yeah, however this before the changes Hope got. Since this is a fight for the strongest 5D, it should use his strongest key.
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op would have used mundus not dante
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I'm going with incon personally
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Unless Mundus can neg CM1 Invul, I don't see how that would be different tbh.
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Anyway if Valhalla Key isn't changing, I vote Dante.
Hope Key I vote Kratos.
Hope Key I vote Kratos.
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Sealing is still a wincon, and Dante can tech his tactics to make sure it hits.
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Kratos can seal, negate sealing, and has a possible resistance to it in Hope Key tho.
Plus he has multiple ways to avoid it.
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He doesn’t have to tho
Madness hax incaps him
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How would Madness Manip reach his mind? His body, soul, mind, concept, and luck are all protected by Hope.
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Not this kind of sealing. This one wraps you up in a portal and sends you into void between universes., you can't come back even if you have time travel or portal creation or dimensional travel. It's power null + portal/bfr sealing.
Like I said Dante can tech it. The fact that he is practically an underdog with a disadvantage can be abused by him. Kratos being on "higher ground" means Dante can catch him off gaurd. Kratos won't avoid it if doesn't exactly know the nature of the danger plus, Dante can make him acclimitse against his gun attacks and magic attacks, make Kratos feel invincible when he is unscratched and pull the rug under his feet when he leasts expects it. That's not counting he has multiple speed amplifying transformations and stuff like duplication to surprise Kratos with.
Dante is basically banking on his craftiness and creativity to win here, and it's perfectly in character.
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And Kratos can do the same by BFRing Dante and sealing him a Hypertimeline away.
And Hope's Invulnerability would just protect him from the Power null, as Kratos's powers reside within his soul, which is protected by Hope. Thus he can get just get back.
Kratos won't underestimate a foe he can sense is much more powerful than him. And he wouldn't do so especially against a foe he can tell is very crafty and skilled.
And that assumes Kratos is just standing still tanking attacks. Kratos would try to kill Dante as fast as possible, which is far easier for him with the fact every thing he attempts will kill Dante immediately.
Furthermore you're contradicting you're line of logic. You say Kratos would know Dante possesses a danger, albeit not the type, then you immediately go against this by saying Kratos would underestimate him.
Why would Kratos underestimate a person he knows possesses a danger?
Literally all of this assumes Kratos goes afk and lets Dante go seal him lmao. Also Duplication? Really? To surprise Kratos? We both know that won't work
Speed amps are interesting tho. Might result in the match being unaddeable tho.
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Dante resists, and not completely in-character for Kratos to do as such against a weaker opponent with whom he is fighting conventionally.
it isn't depowering Hope, it's imprisoning it. Like Zeus did to concepts into Pandora's box. Dante's sealing put's Kratos in a prison and prevents him from travel.
Kratos is the one dominating the conventional fight. Kratos doesn't need to be arrogant or dismissive entirely, he just needs to fall in a pattern and become comfortable fighting Dante for him to pull an upset.
Both are engaging in a physical fight. Both are skilled and analytical opponents. But Dante has more mobility and agility here, plus he is much more creative with his powers compared Zeus or Ares Kratos has faught.
Not really? Both can happen. Kratos can be aware something is dangerous without realising the full scope of it's abilities. Just a general feeling. He will not nitty gritty, besides I talked about some special moves Dante has in the context, not Dante or his kit as a whole, which we already established Kratos is dominating with his invul and one shot hax.
yeah, it's not like Zeus and Ares using clones as cannon fodder. Like I said Dante is more creative.
Only if it's blitzing wincon, like Dante speeding and cutting someone's head off. Situation is not the same here.
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Does it stop Hypertimeline travel?
And how far away is it? Cause Kratos could just cover it with range.
Kratos is a adaptable fighter tho full in full.
They are probably not gonna be in a physical fight cause the moment Dante touches Hope he's pretty dead.
I find it unlikely Kratos wouldn't try to end battle immediately when he can sense Dante has something up his sleeve.
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Idk man, Demon World alone is 5D, the seal bfrs beyond that in void outside DW, which is timeline containing HW and DW. And then there's Beastheads which has like 2A type range of such timelines.
I am aware, but he isn't infallible.
Is he tho, Dante can just regenerate, besides physical doesn't always mean contact fighting, it also include ranged attacks.
Not permanently, and again Kratos cannot discern exact nature of attack here. If he misterprets it as dangerous attack he might just glaningly dodge or parry, and the seal being AoE on proximity means Kratos is getting scammed by Dante.
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DW is timeline containing DW?
Anyway, Kratos should be fine then. He has the Powers of the Fates which allow him to travel to Hypertimeline to Hypertimeline. And even then would have Hope to also attack Dante from said range, as well the Fates as mentioned before.
Dante is Mid-Godly rn (even tho he should be HGR given what you and others have said imo) so once he touches Hope he dies fo his concept getting Death Haxed.
And nothing really stops Kratos channeling Hope into his other stuff as well for ranged attacks.
Until Dante gets legitimate level of regen, he is dying permanently.
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No, just that the timeline contains DW and HW, and Beastheads controls infinite timelines, Kratos has range over few Hypertimeline. Beastheads has range over infinite ones. Dante still resists said Beastheads. Dante has layered resistance to Beatheads and Beastheads is basically Sisters of Fate for DMC.
Dante can regenerate from nuked concept, hell even survive without concept. Kratos nuked his concept, Dante comes back. Labels don't matter atm because feats are accepted.
No by feats he isn't.
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Beastheads (Devil May Cry)
The Beastheads was a demon created by Mundus, which can see the past, present, and future. It possesses the ability to show the future to any human which touches it; however, this often drives the human insane. It was one of the antagonists in Devil May Cry Volume 2. Tier: 4-A | Varies from 4-A...
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bro... i said PAGES, not PAGE. demons in dmc can resist their names and meanings being corrupted, weakened n shit and still regenerate
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So he wouldn't be affected by the sealing then, as he can just travel back And he can just Hope range to kill Dante if that doesn't work.
I agree. However Dante is still just gonna die constantly either way, which is a win for Kratos.
I mean, I agree.
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I asked for Resistance Negation. None of what you have said is Resistance Negation.
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Power Nullification
Power Nullification, or Negation, is the ability to nullify the powers and abilities of others, preventing or disabling their effects. The mechanisms by which this effect is accomplished and their restrictions vary from character to character, but the ability is often limited to a certain type...
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You didn't get my point, Kratos range is like 2C, few 2-3 hypertimelines, Dante's sealing prevents 2A ranged powers. Also Dante has layered resistance to fate/causality/time bullshit, Fate powers aren't working on him.
You can refer to the profiles.
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I will say this, Resistance Neg is just power null applied to resistance layers. So Kratos resistance neg isn't special, since Power Null in DMC affects everything, even layers specifically.Power Nullification
Power Nullification, or Negation, is the ability to nullify the powers and abilities of others, preventing or disabling their effects. The mechanisms by which this effect is accomplished and their restrictions vary from character to character, but the ability is often limited to a certain type...
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I'm talking about the range of his sealing. You said Dante seals a person out of a Hypertimeline, Kratos has range with Hope of a Hypertimeline scale. Thus he still kills Dante from that range.
Lol. Lmao even.Power Nullification
Power Nullification, or Negation, is the ability to nullify the powers and abilities of others, preventing or disabling their effects. The mechanisms by which this effect is accomplished and their restrictions vary from character to character, but the ability is often limited to a certain type...
Power Nullification being listed is not considered Resistance Negation. And given the descriptions of said Power Nullification don't involve Resistance Negation either, he doesn't possess Resistance Negation.
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the page literally explains it in detail and you got a extra answer from gilver. but yeah, do your thing i guess
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Get that accepted. Otherwise Resistance Negation is not something he has.
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The page says nothing on it. And Gilver's answer is that it should, however that's not what is accepted atm.
I could've said essentially the same for Hope Kratos in the start of the thread, where he should have Resistance Negation, however I got that accepted and put it in the profiles and then argued.
You don't just say "they should" and then use it. You get it accepted. You put it on the pages. AND THEN you use it.
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well since yall are arguing and people are saying some stuff...
Dante's brand of instinctive reaction means Kratos isn't touching him unless he starts hitting with some kind of immeasurable speed stuff since not even AoE or omnidirectional shit can hit himthank god for speed equal
Kratos invulnerability relies on Hope, DMC now has that stuff in da soul which means Dante has layers of concept stuff and shit meaning Hope ain't stopping him, hell Dante could destroy Hope itself then deal with Kratos as the easy prey
DT straight up makes it so Dante's presence destroy Kratos's mind and soul driving his ass mad and causing him to end himself.
Sealing/BFR straight up takes your ass outside of reality in a gap that not even demons (who can cross between worlds) can reach and does what sealing does (i.e. seal your abilities). Assuming Kratos tanks the sealing part the BFR part is gonna leave his ass stranded in the backrooms.
According to the demon phys page Dante can negate type 4 immortality which means no more ress (which I guess, he kills demons)
All of this is ignoring how Dante's info analysis is straight up comparable to the Beastheads precognition bs
Basically. Speed equal and Dante stomps, speed unequal and Kratos can force an incon or incapfor now...
Dante's brand of instinctive reaction means Kratos isn't touching him unless he starts hitting with some kind of immeasurable speed stuff since not even AoE or omnidirectional shit can hit him
Kratos invulnerability relies on Hope, DMC now has that stuff in da soul which means Dante has layers of concept stuff and shit meaning Hope ain't stopping him, hell Dante could destroy Hope itself then deal with Kratos as the easy prey
DT straight up makes it so Dante's presence destroy Kratos's mind and soul driving his ass mad and causing him to end himself.
Sealing/BFR straight up takes your ass outside of reality in a gap that not even demons (who can cross between worlds) can reach and does what sealing does (i.e. seal your abilities). Assuming Kratos tanks the sealing part the BFR part is gonna leave his ass stranded in the backrooms.
According to the demon phys page Dante can negate type 4 immortality which means no more ress (which I guess, he kills demons)
All of this is ignoring how Dante's info analysis is straight up comparable to the Beastheads precognition bs
Basically. Speed equal and Dante stomps, speed unequal and Kratos can force an incon or incap
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