Goku and Vegeta fight a giant monkey and lizard (Dragon Ball vs. MonsterVerse)

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Goku can also blind them with solar flare

Just a small reminder that both Godzilla and Kong have Extrasensory Perception, so they can still perceive their opponents even if blinded. This is also noted in the Enhanced Senses section of Godzilla’s profile if you have any doubts.

 

[StarShooter80]

Damn alr

 

[That_moron2]

Leaning GxK. A.P advantage is too good

 

[GAGGamerTheOverlord]

So Godzilla and Kong are difficult enemies, but bigger to be cannon fodder with distant attacks, so the only thing I can say and I know is that Goku and Vegeta are faster when transforming, they can use charged attacks that damage characters just as much. strong (or stronger) than them, or example Kamehameha who can annihilate much superior beings (and Vegeta with special attacks equals that power) and the sayans are much better in combat and skill here

 

[Oiguana2701]

So Godzilla and Kong are difficult enemies, but bigger to be cannon fodder with distant attacks, so the only thing I can say and I know is that Goku and Vegeta are faster when transforming, they can use charged attacks that damage characters just as much. strong (or stronger) than them, or example Kamehameha who can annihilate much superior beings (and Vegeta with special attacks equals that power) and the sayans are much better in combat and skill here

The issue here is that this shouldn’t be argued based on general statements like “Goku can defeat stronger enemies with the Kamehameha.” On VSBW, comparisons must be made using the accepted AP values listed on the profiles. The 1.4× gap between SSJ3 Goku and Vegeta with the Titans comes directly from accepted values, which are what VS debates are based on.

 

[StarShooter80]

We still count things such as how much a character upscales from their value in-verse so eh

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

We still count things such as how much a character upscales from their value in-verse so eh

I think Oiguana is referring to the fact that those values represent the peak for Goku and Vegeta up to that point in the story, before they met Beerus.

 

[StarShooter80]

I think Oiguana is referring to the fact that those values represent the peak for Goku and Vegeta up to that point in the story, before they met Beerus.

oh I see

 

[GAGGamerTheOverlord]

The issue here is that this shouldn’t be argued based on general statements like “Goku can defeat stronger enemies with the Kamehameha.” On VSBW, comparisons must be made using the accepted AP values listed on the profiles. The 1.4× gap between SSJ3 Goku and Vegeta with the Titans comes directly from accepted values, which are what VS debates are based on.

I guess I should probably wait for the DB supporters to arrive here though, I just quoted what is seen in the profiles, I don't know how much it increases charged attacks or if more special attacks like Kameh etc generate more than conventional charged attacks

 

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[GAGGamerTheOverlord]

I have the idea that GxV win here, they directly start with ssj2 , they have better combat, which means that (adding the size of their rivals) they are difficult to hit attacks, while G and K are easy targets, the speed difference should help here Can't GxV adapt to a difference in AP x2 faster than GxK? Beyond that they have their attacks that (at least where I can see in the profiles) can cause damage to people higher than them (although I don't know to what level exactly) beyond that I will wait longer to vote, I want to see how it develops the fight according to other people

 

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[Rex_Eckles]

Is speed equalized for Base Goku and Vegeta, if so, then they have massive travel and combat speed advantages.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Is speed equalized for Base Goku and Vegeta, if so, then they have massive travel and combat speed advantages.

Speed is equalized

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Speed is equalized

Yeah but multipliers still are usable.

 

[AllForOne]

Goku and Vegeta tbh.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

how much faster is godzilla atomic pulse and bean compared to him self?

 

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[Quajutsu5]

Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta AP: 4.212 KiloFoe

• Super Saiyan 2 Goku and Vegeta AP: 8.424 KiloFoe
  • Super Saiyan 3 Goku AP: 33.696 KiloFoe

Where are these stat values from?

Both the profiles and the AP Ratings explanation blog for the Manga have these stat values:

Dragon Ball Super​

Beerus the Destroyer - Universe 6 Saga​

Physicals​

• As a Super Saiyan alone Goku believed he could take on Kid Buu, who his Super Saiyan 3 Buu Saga self couldn't defeat. Super Saiyan Vegeta is comparable to him: >5.265 MegaFoe (Solar System level)
  • Base Goku and Vegeta: >105.3 KiloFoe (Solar System level)
  • Super Saiyan 2 Goku and Vegeta: >10.53 MegaFoe (Solar System level)
  • Super Saiyan 3 Goku and enraged Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta: >42.12 MegaFoe (Solar System level)

Charged Attacks​

• Super Saiyan Goku's Kamehameha is superior to his Majin Buu Saga Super Saiyan 3 self's. Vegeta's charged attacks are comparable: >21.06 MegaFoe (Solar System level)
  • Base Goku's Kamehameha and Base Vegeta's charged attacks: >421.2 KiloFoe (Solar System level)
  • Super Saiyan 2 Goku's Kamehameha and Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta's charged attacks: >42.12 MegaFoe (Solar System level)
  • Super Saiyan 3 Goku's Kamehameha and enraged Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta's charged attacks: >168.48 MegaFoe (Solar System level)

Dragon Ball Manga: Attack Potency Ratings

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Bossbrosish]

Where are these stat values from?

Both the profiles and the AP Ratings explanation blog for the Manga have these stat values:

Dragon Ball Super​

Beerus the Destroyer - Universe 6 Saga​

Physicals​

• As a Super Saiyan alone Goku believed he could take on Kid Buu, who his Super Saiyan 3 Buu Saga self couldn't defeat. Super Saiyan Vegeta is comparable to him: >5.265 MegaFoe (Solar System level)
  • Base Goku and Vegeta: >105.3 KiloFoe (Solar System level)
  • Super Saiyan 2 Goku and Vegeta: >10.53 MegaFoe (Solar System level)
  • Super Saiyan 3 Goku and enraged Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta: >42.12 MegaFoe (Solar System level)

Charged Attacks​

• Super Saiyan Goku's Kamehameha is superior to his Majin Buu Saga Super Saiyan 3 self's. Vegeta's charged attacks are comparable: >21.06 MegaFoe (Solar System level)
  • Base Goku's Kamehameha and Base Vegeta's charged attacks: >421.2 KiloFoe (Solar System level)
  • Super Saiyan 2 Goku's Kamehameha and Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta's charged attacks: >42.12 MegaFoe (Solar System level)
  • Super Saiyan 3 Goku's Kamehameha and enraged Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta's charged attacks: >168.48 MegaFoe (Solar System level)

Dragon Ball Manga: Attack Potency Ratings

vsbattles.fandom.com

I was using the old statistic values + before the Resurrection 'F' - Universe 6 Arc keys were merged. I'll update them later

 

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[Arceus0x]

well ain't it a stomp with the new statistics?

 

[Bossbrosish]

well ain't it a stomp with the new statistics?

Not entirely. I'm using Godzilla and Kong's highest value and Goku and Vegeta charged attacks make the gap closer to even.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Not entirely. I'm using Godzilla and Kong's highest value and Goku and Vegeta charged attacks make the gap closer to even.

Is speed equalized regarding Base Vegeta and Goku or their strongest forms?

 

[Bossbrosish]

Is speed equalized regarding Base Vegeta and Goku or their strongest forms?

Speed is equalized and it's only base Goku and Vegeta, so no transformations

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Speed is equalized and it's only base Goku and Vegeta, so no transformations

Okay.

 

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