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One Piece: Minor Pre-Timeskip Upgrade

Um, the feat seems to be from one of the later arcs based on the clip shown, so well after Luffy's 8-A key.
 
We can not see the entire boulder in the manga, which is why the anime is being used.
While the anime does present a clearer view of it in that one shot, I think it runs the risk of being inconsistent due to anime exaggeration. If we look at the result of the feat in the same clip, it doesn't really look to be 61 meters wide. Nor does there really appear to be as much rubble as you'd expect from 154516 cubic meters of rock getting fragemented.

When Luffy kicks the rock, we get a clear shot of the destruction and can see through clear to the other side and see the furthest rubble from him. They don't really look to be 61 meters away the spot being kicked if the rock is supposed to be that thick and the fragments are of comparable size.
 
The bazooka is fine, because it was a charged bazooka and it's a 2x move we can scale base Luffy to baseline due the fact that
A. Wapol withstood the attack and most of the force was used to send flying instead to damage
B. He did it

Regarding the gomu gomu no axe
I checked the episode and the actual rock that he split with the axe was in a different area. Unless there was a reason to consider that specific feat as canon or something, I don't think it's valid to use, albeit it's a good calc
 
Does Zoro not get Small Town durability? His current durability justification is that it is comparable to his AP and that comes from clashing with Luffy's Bazooka.
 
Does Zoro not get Small Town durability? His current durability justification is that it is comparable to his AP and that comes from clashing with Luffy's Bazooka.
it makes very circular scaling if his body scales to the bazooka. worst it'd scale to is the disbursed swords and such

also i just saw that the accepted calc was the lowest Low 7-C one. scale them to baseline 8-A+ instead, and with stronger moves scale em to Low 7-C
 
it makes very circular scaling if his body scales to the bazooka. worst it'd scale to is the disbursed swords and such

also i just saw that the accepted calc was the lowest Low 7-C one. scale them to baseline 8-A+ instead, and with stronger moves scale em to Low 7-C
Maybe it should be...

"Durability: Multi-City Block level physically, Small Town level with 3 Sword Style"

Similar to how Dorry and Brogy have their weapon and shield scaling for their durability. If this line of scaling for durability gets accepted anyway.
 
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I agree with the changes
 
In that case. I agree with the initial proposed changes but I'd also be fine with scaling them to 8-A+ and Low 7-C with Strongest Attacks. It's not exactly a huge leap in logic going from 529 tons to at least 550 tons.
 
So EtherealCrater's calculation has two big assumptions in it that I think make it not so reliable to depend on.

Firstly, it is assumed that Wapol went over the horizon that would be visible from the top of the Drum Rockies, 5,000 meters above sea level. But I've been rereading the feat and rewatching the anime version too and there's nothing that actually states or shows that Wapol went so far as the horizon itself. The 2,807.4 km is a pretty big assumption for the distance that Wapol was sent flying, especially when we consider that Luffy has almost never sent anyone flying this far in any other feat so far as I'm aware.

Secondly, the ten second timeframe for Wapol to supposedly reach the horizon when Luffy launched him. We didn't see Wapol land after Luffy launched him; we can't measure his actual tracjectory through the sky and the duration it took him because once Luffy hit him and Wapol was sent flying we quickly cut away and didn't see any more of him. How do we know that he reached this assumed distance in just 10 seconds, or since we can't know since it's acknowledged to be a possible assumption, why should we think this timeframe is more likely than any other? The timeframe is pretty important because if it took Wapol just double that amount of time at 20 seconds then that reduces the energy result here down to a quarter and makes it 264 tons.
 
So EtherealCrater's calculation has two big assumptions in it that I think make it not so reliable to depend on.

Firstly, it is assumed that Wapol went over the horizon that would be visible from the top of the Drum Rockies, 5,000 meters above sea level. But I've been rereading the feat and rewatching the anime version too and there's nothing that actually states or shows that Wapol went so far as the horizon itself. The 2,807.4 km is a pretty big assumption for the distance that Wapol was sent flying, especially when we consider that Luffy has almost never sent anyone flying this far in any other feat so far as I'm aware.
Luffy sent wapol to an entirely different part of the grand line, and this is less than like the average distance between islands so this isn't a bad assumption at all
 
Firstly, it is assumed that Wapol went over the horizon that would be visible from the top of the Drum Rockies, 5,000 meters above sea level. But I've been rereading the feat and rewatching the anime version too and there's nothing that actually states or shows that Wapol went so far as the horizon itself. The 2,807.4 km is a pretty big assumption for the distance that Wapol was sent flying, especially when we consider that Luffy has almost never sent anyone flying this far in any other feat so far as I'm aware.
It is already accepted that Luffy has BFR via sending Wapol over the horizon. My calc just takes in the viewing height into account.
Secondly, the ten second timeframe for Wapol to supposedly reach the horizon when Luffy launched him. We didn't see Wapol land after Luffy launched him; we can't measure his actual tracjectory through the sky and the duration it took him because once Luffy hit him and Wapol was sent flying we quickly cut away and didn't see any more of him. How do we know that he reached this assumed distance in just 10 seconds, or since we can't know since it's acknowledged to be a possible assumption, why should we think this timeframe is more likely than any other? The timeframe is pretty important because if it took Wapol just double that amount of time at 20 seconds then that reduces the energy result here down to a quarter and makes it 264 tons.
We're already using a Lowball distance and in the very same panel that Luffy hits Wapol with Bazooka, he's just a tiny dot in the distance. We even have Dalton remarking about the "thing that flew across the sky" heavily implying he is beyond the horizon by the time he commented upon it.
 
It is already accepted that Luffy has BFR via sending Wapol over the horizon. My calc just takes in the viewing height into account.
Saying something is "already accepted" doesn't make it necessarily true.

We're already using a Lowball distance and in the very same panel that Luffy hits Wapol with Bazooka, he's just a tiny dot in the distance. We even have Dalton remarking about the "thing that flew across the sky" heavily implying he is beyond the horizon by the time he commented upon it.
Being a tiny dot in the distance and being seen "flying across the sky" is very different from travelling thousands of kilometers.
 
Saying something is "already accepted" doesn't make it necessarily true.
You can apply this logic to everything under Luffy's profile. Your lone opinion doesn't overwrite already established and accepted content. We scale characters off what is accepted by our peers not what we personally think is true or false about the characters.
Being a tiny dot in the distance and being seen "flying across the sky" is very different from travelling thousands of kilometers.
In this case it is because the distance to the horizon is relative to the height of the viewer and the size of the planet. On Earth at average surface level its a few km. On Blue at 5 km high, it quite literally is thousands of kms.
 
You can apply this logic to everything under Luffy's profile. Your lone opinion doesn't overwrite already established and accepted content. We scale characters off what is accepted by our peers not what we personally think is true or false about the characters.
Okay, well now it's being contested as it is relevant to this thread. You don't get to say people can't disagree because it's based on something written on the profile. The profiles are not infallible.

In this case it is because the distance to the horizon is relative to the height of the viewer and the size of the planet. On Earth at average surface level its a few km. On Blue at 5 km high, it quite literally is thousands of kms.
What I mean is that being a tiny dot in the distance after being hit and being seen "flying across the sky" don't prove a timeline of 10 seconds for those thousands of kilometers.
 
Okay, well now it's being contested as it is relevant to this thread. You don't get to say people can't disagree because it's based on something written on the profile. The profiles are not infallible.
Im not saying you can't disagree but we'd have to halt this entire thread just to create another CRT to remove Luffy's BFR. Unless you get it removed, then we follow what is currently accepted. We can't contradict profiles because we personally THINK they're wrong.
 
This doesn't work because the entire mass of Luffy's arms isn't travelling 25 km from point A to point B.
Something like this has already been accepted. If that calc got accepted despite the mass growing over the distance it travels, then mine would be valid as well. Hell, it even used 1/2 instead of the 1/4 I used.

(1/2) * (268,340.1) * (8,542.67)^2 = 4.184×10^12 = 2.34 Kilotons

Either both are valid or neither are.
 
Would the change in mass even matter? Luffy would need to move the final mass of 268,340.1 kg to 8,542.67 m/s anyway, right?
 
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Alright, thats what I initially thought. So the 1.17 kiloton value would be correct, then?
ngl i don't think so

without specific moves luffy isn't creating mass when he stretches. his body is just very very capable, but we see his neck gets thinner and other stuff
 
ngl i don't think so

without specific moves luffy isn't creating mass when he stretches. his body is just very very capable, but we see his neck gets thinner and other stuff
In the panel of Luffy stretching his arms across Drum Island, his wrists and hands look very proportionate to how it should look regularly. They're just...longer.

Edit: Just a few examples, when he stretches, he typically keeps the same size and doesnt thin out with distance.
 
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